Conor Gallagher - Going to Athletico (p81)
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MillwallFan said:2
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SELR_addicks said:Would still be behind Mount, Pulisic, Havertz and Ziyech.
Think Chelsea will sell him in the summer as his value will be the highest it will ever be at Chelsea. Might go to Germany.1 -
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SELR_addicks said:Would still be behind Mount, Pulisic, Havertz and Ziyech.
Think Chelsea will sell him in the summer as his value will be the highest it will ever be at Chelsea. Might go to Germany.
There is an obvious weaker link among the four of them.1 -
MillwallFan said:
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/66331/palace-fans-embarrassing-themselves-again/p1
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Chelsea will not be able to recall England midfielder Conor Gallagher, 21, from his loan at Crystal Palace in January because of a clause in his season-long deal saying they could only do so if he played in fewer than 50% of the Selhurst Park club's matches
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Chris_from_Sidcup said:Chelsea will not be able to recall England midfielder Conor Gallagher, 21, from his loan at Crystal Palace in January because of a clause in his season-long deal saying they could only do so if he played in fewer than 50% of the Selhurst Park club's matches1
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ricky_otto said:MillwallFan said:1
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Chris_from_Sidcup said:Chelsea will not be able to recall England midfielder Conor Gallagher, 21, from his loan at Crystal Palace in January because of a clause in his season-long deal saying they could only do so if he played in fewer than 50% of the Selhurst Park club's matches1
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Henry Irving said:PragueAddick said:Henry Irving said:J BLOCK said:Henry Irving said:PragueAddick said:while I agree that when it comes to the relationship with their agent, Jacko will be far more confident and assertive than, well let’s say, Conor Gallagher at the time he was inexplicably removed from us
, nobody should underestimate how much naked rampant greed and manipulative instincts are in the DNA of agents.
And if that turns out to be a bit unfair on Jacko’s agent: Too bad. Go and find a journalist to help explain all the selfless good work you do.
Remember, Southall was in charge at the time.
We could have paid the required fee but Southall and Amis had other priorities IE themselves
Chelsea have a pretty structured -and expensive - way of running their young players loan farm, with a team of well known ex-pros permanently assigned to their progress at the loan clubs. Chelsea already knew we would struggle in the Champ when they lent us Conor. There was a recall clause, but it's quite unusual for them to activate it; they mainly seem concerned to ensure that the player is sufficiently playing (see the report of Conor at Palace from Cawley). While it's difficult to be sure, I certainly could not find a case of Chelsea triggering the recall of a young player who was getting good game time and immediately dumping him at another club in the same division. I stand to be corrected and there is a first time for everything. However doing it because Swansea were going to pay a bit of money, seems a bit implausible to me. It's not, at this level how Chelsea behave. They don't need to.
We could have kept him but we didn't.
It wasn't the evil agent so you have repeatedly said forcing Conor and Chelsea against their will. Conor was in tears at having to leave. It was Amis and Southall5 -
It's always tough with Chelsea because they do like to buy a new player in rather than develop one themselves. They actually prefer to sell them and hover over them waiting to see if they become winners. If you look at the latest England u21 squads there's Marc Guehi, Clinton Mola, Jonathan Panzo, Tariq Lamptey and Tino Livramento who have been 'permanently' moved on by Chelsea with buy-back assumptions either inserted into the sale contract or at least stated openly. Gallagher and Colwill will probably go the same way. Chelsea's central midifield has Jorginho, Kovacic and Kante, with Loftus-Cheek and, weirdly, Barkley not looking terrible when they've played. Barkley has 18 months left on his deal and is on £110,000 a week somehow, so he's unsaleable and will remain unless he's willing to take less money, which he isn't. Saul will go but that still leaves Gallagher a lot of ground to make up. Chelsea will probably feel it's worth their time to sell him for £25m and buy him back for £40m later once someone else has rounded him off. If he develops great, if not it's £25m to spend on another failed striker.
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Dazzler21 said:Henry Irving said:PragueAddick said:Henry Irving said:J BLOCK said:Henry Irving said:PragueAddick said:while I agree that when it comes to the relationship with their agent, Jacko will be far more confident and assertive than, well let’s say, Conor Gallagher at the time he was inexplicably removed from us
, nobody should underestimate how much naked rampant greed and manipulative instincts are in the DNA of agents.
And if that turns out to be a bit unfair on Jacko’s agent: Too bad. Go and find a journalist to help explain all the selfless good work you do.
Remember, Southall was in charge at the time.
We could have paid the required fee but Southall and Amis had other priorities IE themselves
Chelsea have a pretty structured -and expensive - way of running their young players loan farm, with a team of well known ex-pros permanently assigned to their progress at the loan clubs. Chelsea already knew we would struggle in the Champ when they lent us Conor. There was a recall clause, but it's quite unusual for them to activate it; they mainly seem concerned to ensure that the player is sufficiently playing (see the report of Conor at Palace from Cawley). While it's difficult to be sure, I certainly could not find a case of Chelsea triggering the recall of a young player who was getting good game time and immediately dumping him at another club in the same division. I stand to be corrected and there is a first time for everything. However doing it because Swansea were going to pay a bit of money, seems a bit implausible to me. It's not, at this level how Chelsea behave. They don't need to.
We could have kept him but we didn't.
It wasn't the evil agent so you have repeatedly said forcing Conor and Chelsea against their will. Conor was in tears at having to leave. It was Amis and Southall4 -
Garrymanilow said:It's always tough with Chelsea because they do like to buy a new player in rather than develop one themselves. They actually prefer to sell them and hover over them waiting to see if they become winners. If you look at the latest England u21 squads there's Marc Guehi, Clinton Mola, Jonathan Panzo, Tariq Lamptey and Tino Livramento who have been 'permanently' moved on by Chelsea with buy-back assumptions either inserted into the sale contract or at least stated openly. Gallagher and Colwill will probably go the same way. Chelsea's central midifield has Jorginho, Kovacic and Kante, with Loftus-Cheek and, weirdly, Barkley not looking terrible when they've played. Barkley has 18 months left on his deal and is on £110,000 a week somehow, so he's unsaleable and will remain unless he's willing to take less money, which he isn't. Saul will go but that still leaves Gallagher a lot of ground to make up. Chelsea will probably feel it's worth their time to sell him for £25m and buy him back for £40m later once someone else has rounded him off. If he develops great, if not it's £25m to spend on another failed striker.
Chelsea if they sell Gallagher (and i don't think they will) would certainly want a lot more than 25m, especially after this season. 25m these days gets you a top championship player. He's now a decent PL player and an England international.
The irony here is that if he was Palace's player, you can bet your life Chelsea would be one of the clubs wanting to sign him.0 -
Garrymanilow said:It's always tough with Chelsea because they do like to buy a new player in rather than develop one themselves. They actually prefer to sell them and hover over them waiting to see if they become winners. If you look at the latest England u21 squads there's Marc Guehi, Clinton Mola, Jonathan Panzo, Tariq Lamptey and Tino Livramento who have been 'permanently' moved on by Chelsea with buy-back assumptions either inserted into the sale contract or at least stated openly. Gallagher and Colwill will probably go the same way. Chelsea's central midifield has Jorginho, Kovacic and Kante, with Loftus-Cheek and, weirdly, Barkley not looking terrible when they've played. Barkley has 18 months left on his deal and is on £110,000 a week somehow, so he's unsaleable and will remain unless he's willing to take less money, which he isn't. Saul will go but that still leaves Gallagher a lot of ground to make up. Chelsea will probably feel it's worth their time to sell him for £25m and buy him back for £40m later once someone else has rounded him off. If he develops great, if not it's £25m to spend on another failed striker.0
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Chris_from_Sidcup said:Garrymanilow said:It's always tough with Chelsea because they do like to buy a new player in rather than develop one themselves. They actually prefer to sell them and hover over them waiting to see if they become winners. If you look at the latest England u21 squads there's Marc Guehi, Clinton Mola, Jonathan Panzo, Tariq Lamptey and Tino Livramento who have been 'permanently' moved on by Chelsea with buy-back assumptions either inserted into the sale contract or at least stated openly. Gallagher and Colwill will probably go the same way. Chelsea's central midifield has Jorginho, Kovacic and Kante, with Loftus-Cheek and, weirdly, Barkley not looking terrible when they've played. Barkley has 18 months left on his deal and is on £110,000 a week somehow, so he's unsaleable and will remain unless he's willing to take less money, which he isn't. Saul will go but that still leaves Gallagher a lot of ground to make up. Chelsea will probably feel it's worth their time to sell him for £25m and buy him back for £40m later once someone else has rounded him off. If he develops great, if not it's £25m to spend on another failed striker.
Chelsea if they sell Gallagher (and i don't think they will) would certainly want a lot more than 25m, especially after this season. 25m these days gets you a top championship player. He's now a decent PL player and an England international.
The irony here is that if he was Palace's player, you can bet your life Chelsea would be one of the clubs wanting to sign him.Barkley does seem like a very Newcastle player, but then have they already filled their 'England's next great midfielder who's gone on to be exactly as good as he was when he was a teenager' quota with Shelvey?They may want more than that, though the lower you sell for the lower your eventual buyback as well, which Chelsea will bear in mind. If they demand £40m for him now then whoever gets him won't accept less than £80m as a buyback, and considering Chelsea view these sales essentially as a longterm daycare they might see a quick sale with affordable return as preferrable to a big fee. They could have got more for Guehi and Livramento in particular but chose to sell lower for return options.1 -
Played well for us for a bit - don't have any affinity for him one way or another
Couldn't care if he stays at Palace or stagnates in Chelsea hinterland0 -
Garrymanilow said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Garrymanilow said:It's always tough with Chelsea because they do like to buy a new player in rather than develop one themselves. They actually prefer to sell them and hover over them waiting to see if they become winners. If you look at the latest England u21 squads there's Marc Guehi, Clinton Mola, Jonathan Panzo, Tariq Lamptey and Tino Livramento who have been 'permanently' moved on by Chelsea with buy-back assumptions either inserted into the sale contract or at least stated openly. Gallagher and Colwill will probably go the same way. Chelsea's central midifield has Jorginho, Kovacic and Kante, with Loftus-Cheek and, weirdly, Barkley not looking terrible when they've played. Barkley has 18 months left on his deal and is on £110,000 a week somehow, so he's unsaleable and will remain unless he's willing to take less money, which he isn't. Saul will go but that still leaves Gallagher a lot of ground to make up. Chelsea will probably feel it's worth their time to sell him for £25m and buy him back for £40m later once someone else has rounded him off. If he develops great, if not it's £25m to spend on another failed striker.
Chelsea if they sell Gallagher (and i don't think they will) would certainly want a lot more than 25m, especially after this season. 25m these days gets you a top championship player. He's now a decent PL player and an England international.
The irony here is that if he was Palace's player, you can bet your life Chelsea would be one of the clubs wanting to sign him.Barkley does seem like a very Newcastle player, but then have they already filled their 'England's next great midfielder who's gone on to be exactly as good as he was when he was a teenager' quota with Shelvey?They may want more than that, though the lower you sell for the lower your eventual buyback as well, which Chelsea will bear in mind. If they demand £40m for him now then whoever gets him won't accept less than £80m as a buyback, and considering Chelsea view these sales essentially as a longterm daycare they might see a quick sale with affordable return as preferrable to a big fee. They could have got more for Guehi and Livramento in particular but chose to sell lower for return options.
Unless they're going to sell him to a Spurs/Arsenal/West ham (5-8th type of club) then they might as well just keep him for 1 year and see what he can do with them? He's contracted until 2025 anyway.
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Chris_from_Sidcup said:Garrymanilow said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Garrymanilow said:It's always tough with Chelsea because they do like to buy a new player in rather than develop one themselves. They actually prefer to sell them and hover over them waiting to see if they become winners. If you look at the latest England u21 squads there's Marc Guehi, Clinton Mola, Jonathan Panzo, Tariq Lamptey and Tino Livramento who have been 'permanently' moved on by Chelsea with buy-back assumptions either inserted into the sale contract or at least stated openly. Gallagher and Colwill will probably go the same way. Chelsea's central midifield has Jorginho, Kovacic and Kante, with Loftus-Cheek and, weirdly, Barkley not looking terrible when they've played. Barkley has 18 months left on his deal and is on £110,000 a week somehow, so he's unsaleable and will remain unless he's willing to take less money, which he isn't. Saul will go but that still leaves Gallagher a lot of ground to make up. Chelsea will probably feel it's worth their time to sell him for £25m and buy him back for £40m later once someone else has rounded him off. If he develops great, if not it's £25m to spend on another failed striker.
Chelsea if they sell Gallagher (and i don't think they will) would certainly want a lot more than 25m, especially after this season. 25m these days gets you a top championship player. He's now a decent PL player and an England international.
The irony here is that if he was Palace's player, you can bet your life Chelsea would be one of the clubs wanting to sign him.Barkley does seem like a very Newcastle player, but then have they already filled their 'England's next great midfielder who's gone on to be exactly as good as he was when he was a teenager' quota with Shelvey?They may want more than that, though the lower you sell for the lower your eventual buyback as well, which Chelsea will bear in mind. If they demand £40m for him now then whoever gets him won't accept less than £80m as a buyback, and considering Chelsea view these sales essentially as a longterm daycare they might see a quick sale with affordable return as preferrable to a big fee. They could have got more for Guehi and Livramento in particular but chose to sell lower for return options.
Unless they're going to sell him to a Spurs/Arsenal/West ham (5-8th type of club) then they might as well just keep him for 1 year and see what he can do with them? He's contracted until 2025 anyway.
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Redhenry said:Dazzler21 said:Henry Irving said:PragueAddick said:Henry Irving said:J BLOCK said:Henry Irving said:PragueAddick said:while I agree that when it comes to the relationship with their agent, Jacko will be far more confident and assertive than, well let’s say, Conor Gallagher at the time he was inexplicably removed from us
, nobody should underestimate how much naked rampant greed and manipulative instincts are in the DNA of agents.
And if that turns out to be a bit unfair on Jacko’s agent: Too bad. Go and find a journalist to help explain all the selfless good work you do.
Remember, Southall was in charge at the time.
We could have paid the required fee but Southall and Amis had other priorities IE themselves
Chelsea have a pretty structured -and expensive - way of running their young players loan farm, with a team of well known ex-pros permanently assigned to their progress at the loan clubs. Chelsea already knew we would struggle in the Champ when they lent us Conor. There was a recall clause, but it's quite unusual for them to activate it; they mainly seem concerned to ensure that the player is sufficiently playing (see the report of Conor at Palace from Cawley). While it's difficult to be sure, I certainly could not find a case of Chelsea triggering the recall of a young player who was getting good game time and immediately dumping him at another club in the same division. I stand to be corrected and there is a first time for everything. However doing it because Swansea were going to pay a bit of money, seems a bit implausible to me. It's not, at this level how Chelsea behave. They don't need to.
We could have kept him but we didn't.
It wasn't the evil agent so you have repeatedly said forcing Conor and Chelsea against their will. Conor was in tears at having to leave. It was Amis and Southall
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He is singlehandedly keeping them up this year. I love watching Conor play but this season is almost unbearable. The sooner he's back at Chelsea, the better.
My only hope is this is their relegation watershed moment, they struggle to replace him and eventually tumble down the leagues a la Scott Parker 2004. Hopefully that'll happen in one season rather than three.4 -
already mentioned ? .. Chelsea are unable to recall Gallagher before the end of the season .. the loan deal specified that a recall could only take place if he'd played less than half the games at the time the recall was requested .. Gally has missed just one game so far and must surely be the first name down on the Palace team sheet for every game and will be for the rest of the season0
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Gave the ball away in midfield for Southampton's second goal this evening. Good work Con.7
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Garrymanilow said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Garrymanilow said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Garrymanilow said:It's always tough with Chelsea because they do like to buy a new player in rather than develop one themselves. They actually prefer to sell them and hover over them waiting to see if they become winners. If you look at the latest England u21 squads there's Marc Guehi, Clinton Mola, Jonathan Panzo, Tariq Lamptey and Tino Livramento who have been 'permanently' moved on by Chelsea with buy-back assumptions either inserted into the sale contract or at least stated openly. Gallagher and Colwill will probably go the same way. Chelsea's central midifield has Jorginho, Kovacic and Kante, with Loftus-Cheek and, weirdly, Barkley not looking terrible when they've played. Barkley has 18 months left on his deal and is on £110,000 a week somehow, so he's unsaleable and will remain unless he's willing to take less money, which he isn't. Saul will go but that still leaves Gallagher a lot of ground to make up. Chelsea will probably feel it's worth their time to sell him for £25m and buy him back for £40m later once someone else has rounded him off. If he develops great, if not it's £25m to spend on another failed striker.
Chelsea if they sell Gallagher (and i don't think they will) would certainly want a lot more than 25m, especially after this season. 25m these days gets you a top championship player. He's now a decent PL player and an England international.
The irony here is that if he was Palace's player, you can bet your life Chelsea would be one of the clubs wanting to sign him.Barkley does seem like a very Newcastle player, but then have they already filled their 'England's next great midfielder who's gone on to be exactly as good as he was when he was a teenager' quota with Shelvey?They may want more than that, though the lower you sell for the lower your eventual buyback as well, which Chelsea will bear in mind. If they demand £40m for him now then whoever gets him won't accept less than £80m as a buyback, and considering Chelsea view these sales essentially as a longterm daycare they might see a quick sale with affordable return as preferrable to a big fee. They could have got more for Guehi and Livramento in particular but chose to sell lower for return options.
Unless they're going to sell him to a Spurs/Arsenal/West ham (5-8th type of club) then they might as well just keep him for 1 year and see what he can do with them? He's contracted until 2025 anyway.0 -
Garrymanilow said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Garrymanilow said:Chris_from_Sidcup said:Garrymanilow said:It's always tough with Chelsea because they do like to buy a new player in rather than develop one themselves. They actually prefer to sell them and hover over them waiting to see if they become winners. If you look at the latest England u21 squads there's Marc Guehi, Clinton Mola, Jonathan Panzo, Tariq Lamptey and Tino Livramento who have been 'permanently' moved on by Chelsea with buy-back assumptions either inserted into the sale contract or at least stated openly. Gallagher and Colwill will probably go the same way. Chelsea's central midifield has Jorginho, Kovacic and Kante, with Loftus-Cheek and, weirdly, Barkley not looking terrible when they've played. Barkley has 18 months left on his deal and is on £110,000 a week somehow, so he's unsaleable and will remain unless he's willing to take less money, which he isn't. Saul will go but that still leaves Gallagher a lot of ground to make up. Chelsea will probably feel it's worth their time to sell him for £25m and buy him back for £40m later once someone else has rounded him off. If he develops great, if not it's £25m to spend on another failed striker.
Chelsea if they sell Gallagher (and i don't think they will) would certainly want a lot more than 25m, especially after this season. 25m these days gets you a top championship player. He's now a decent PL player and an England international.
The irony here is that if he was Palace's player, you can bet your life Chelsea would be one of the clubs wanting to sign him.Barkley does seem like a very Newcastle player, but then have they already filled their 'England's next great midfielder who's gone on to be exactly as good as he was when he was a teenager' quota with Shelvey?They may want more than that, though the lower you sell for the lower your eventual buyback as well, which Chelsea will bear in mind. If they demand £40m for him now then whoever gets him won't accept less than £80m as a buyback, and considering Chelsea view these sales essentially as a longterm daycare they might see a quick sale with affordable return as preferrable to a big fee. They could have got more for Guehi and Livramento in particular but chose to sell lower for return options.
Unless they're going to sell him to a Spurs/Arsenal/West ham (5-8th type of club) then they might as well just keep him for 1 year and see what he can do with them? He's contracted until 2025 anyway.
Gary, because of Putin's bitch; Money to burn or launder depending how you see it.
We all know the story by now how he has used the Russian state money and thrown it at Chelsea. I detested Chelsea with a passion even before the Russian doll salesman who knew where the bodies were buried turned up.2 -
From the highly reputable news source that is the S*n.
CONOR GALLAGHER is a shock £50million target for Paris Saint-Germain.
Gallagher has been outstanding in the first half of the season after joining Crystal Palace on loan from Chelsea.
Sources say PSG boss Mauricio Pochettino is a big fan of the dynamic midfielder, who has six goals and three assists in 17 Prem games this term.
And the French giants believe Chelsea would be willing to sell Gallagher.
A January swoop is made more complicated by Palace’s season-long loan deal with the 21-year-old. It is understood the Blues cannot recall Gallagher because he has played more than the agreed percentage of Palace’s matches.
But depending on other terms of the loan deal, Chelsea might still be able to cash in on the England international in the winter window.
If PSG cannot make it happen this month, they will continue to monitor Gallagher and are prepared to wait until the summer to make their move.
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