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How long a takeover takes

It's been a couple of years already since the first, "official" rumours that a takeover might be forthcoming.  A long and very frustrating time. And I would bet that everyone involved - from Roland to the bidders, from the EFL to CARD - wished it would complete as soon as possible.  But how long does a takeover take? It's impossible to generalise, of course.  So it's useful to examine how long it took one of the current parties to complete a fairly recent takeover negotiation, from first rumours to completed, done deal. 

Andrew Muir's father Ian built up a business called Mighty Muir.  Forty years later, Ian and Andrew renamed the business The Good Guys and set about a significant expansion of the business, from 14 stores in 1992 to 101 in 2016.  In 2010, a rumour was circulated that JB HiFi had offered Aus$750m.  Analysts valued it at Aus$600m.  Muir refused to sell for less than Aus$1bn.  Far from putting JB HiFi off, they stayed in the game, and were joined by two other bidders - an Australian conglomerate and a US-based equity fund.  

In September 2016, JB HiFi bought the business for Aus$870m.  

What can we learn from this?  
  • Andrew Muir knows how to do a deal. 
  • He won't do a deal at a price that doesn't suit him. 
  • He won't rush to do a bad deal in a short period of time. 
  • The Good Guys was profitable, so delays worked in his favour - Charlton loses money, so delays work in his favour here too. 
  • Even while holding all the cards, the seller took a 13% haircut - Roland holds none, so we just need to sit tight and wait for him to decide how much money he wants to lose. 
If it takes six years to complete a good deal, then we have nothing to panic about simply because a deal hasn't happened yet.  Time, as Sir Mick has said for many years, is on our side. 

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  • edited May 2019
    Chizz said:


    What can we learn from this?  
    • Andrew Muir knows how to do a deal. 
    • He won't do a deal at a price that doesn't suit him. 
    • He won't rush to do a bad deal in a short period of time. 
    • The Good Guys was profitable, so delays worked in his favour - Charlton loses money, so delays work in his favour here too. 
    • Even while holding all the cards, the seller took a 13% haircut - Roland holds none, so we just need to sit tight and wait for him to decide how much money he wants to lose. 
    If it takes six years to complete a good deal, then we have nothing to panic about simply because a deal hasn't happened yet.  Time, as Sir Mick has said for many years, is on our side. 
    Mick ? Written by Jerry Ragovoy  . First recorded by jazz trombonist Kai Winding and his Orchestra & then by Irma Thomas & then the Stones. wink:  
  • Except it's not (time that is). The longer the 'Belgian one' rules the more problems will arise as we prepare for life in the Championship.
  • addick05 said:
    Except it's not (time that is). The longer the 'Belgian one' rules the more problems will arise as we prepare for life in the Championship.
    As long as Bow is in charge I have every confidence that we can grind out sufficient results.  From Phillips, Solly, Djiksteel, Sarr, Pearce, Page, Morgan, Lapslie Pratley, and Taylor only George Chris and Jason have a question mark as to whether they can step up.  Albie acknowledged he struggled with fitness but sure he will be up to closing down this season.  The worry is that I can only see AMB and Sarpong-Wiredu and Aouacheria, perhaps Anderson or Stephenson having enough quality for the bench.
  • Chizz said:
    It's been a couple of years already since the first, "official" rumours that a takeover might be forthcoming.  A long and very frustrating time. And I would bet that everyone involved - from Roland to the bidders, from the EFL to CARD - wished it would complete as soon as possible.  But how long does a takeover take? It's impossible to generalise, of course.  So it's useful to examine how long it took one of the current parties to complete a fairly recent takeover negotiation, from first rumours to completed, done deal. 

    Andrew Muir's father Ian built up a business called Mighty Muir.  Forty years later, Ian and Andrew renamed the business The Good Guys and set about a significant expansion of the business, from 14 stores in 1992 to 101 in 2016.  In 2010, a rumour was circulated that JB HiFi had offered Aus$750m.  Analysts valued it at Aus$600m.  Muir refused to sell for less than Aus$1bn.  Far from putting JB HiFi off, they stayed in the game, and were joined by two other bidders - an Australian conglomerate and a US-based equity fund.  

    In September 2016, JB HiFi bought the business for Aus$870m.  

    What can we learn from this?  
    • Andrew Muir knows how to do a deal. 
    • He won't do a deal at a price that doesn't suit him. 
    • He won't rush to do a bad deal in a short period of time. 
    • The Good Guys was profitable, so delays worked in his favour - Charlton loses money, so delays work in his favour here too. 
    • Even while holding all the cards, the seller took a 13% haircut - Roland holds none, so we just need to sit tight and wait for him to decide how much money he wants to lose. 
    If it takes six years to complete a good deal, then we have nothing to panic about simply because a deal hasn't happened yet.  Time, as Sir Mick has said for many years, is on our side. 

    So, no deal is better than bad deal?  Last time I heard that it didn't end well.
  • Missed It said:
    Chizz said:
    It's been a couple of years already since the first, "official" rumours that a takeover might be forthcoming.  A long and very frustrating time. And I would bet that everyone involved - from Roland to the bidders, from the EFL to CARD - wished it would complete as soon as possible.  But how long does a takeover take? It's impossible to generalise, of course.  So it's useful to examine how long it took one of the current parties to complete a fairly recent takeover negotiation, from first rumours to completed, done deal. 

    Andrew Muir's father Ian built up a business called Mighty Muir.  Forty years later, Ian and Andrew renamed the business The Good Guys and set about a significant expansion of the business, from 14 stores in 1992 to 101 in 2016.  In 2010, a rumour was circulated that JB HiFi had offered Aus$750m.  Analysts valued it at Aus$600m.  Muir refused to sell for less than Aus$1bn.  Far from putting JB HiFi off, they stayed in the game, and were joined by two other bidders - an Australian conglomerate and a US-based equity fund.  

    In September 2016, JB HiFi bought the business for Aus$870m.  

    What can we learn from this?  
    • Andrew Muir knows how to do a deal. 
    • He won't do a deal at a price that doesn't suit him. 
    • He won't rush to do a bad deal in a short period of time. 
    • The Good Guys was profitable, so delays worked in his favour - Charlton loses money, so delays work in his favour here too. 
    • Even while holding all the cards, the seller took a 13% haircut - Roland holds none, so we just need to sit tight and wait for him to decide how much money he wants to lose. 
    If it takes six years to complete a good deal, then we have nothing to panic about simply because a deal hasn't happened yet.  Time, as Sir Mick has said for many years, is on our side. 

    So, no deal is better than bad deal?  Last time I heard that it didn't end well.
    No.  A good deal, however long it takes, is likely to be better than a bad deal.  

    The Spivs.  Roland.  Those were two, quick, bad deals.  Being taken over at the right price, by the right people is likely to be better. 
  • edited May 2019
    Just wish Murphy/Muir would piss off if they are not going to buy us. They are like a dumped ex stalking us
  • Chizz said:
    It's been a couple of years already since the first, "official" rumours that a takeover might be forthcoming.  A long and very frustrating time. And I would bet that everyone involved - from Roland to the bidders, from the EFL to CARD - wished it would complete as soon as possible.  But how long does a takeover take? It's impossible to generalise, of course.  So it's useful to examine how long it took one of the current parties to complete a fairly recent takeover negotiation, from first rumours to completed, done deal. 

    Andrew Muir's father Ian built up a business called Mighty Muir.  Forty years later, Ian and Andrew renamed the business The Good Guys and set about a significant expansion of the business, from 14 stores in 1992 to 101 in 2016.  In 2010, a rumour was circulated that JB HiFi had offered Aus$750m.  Analysts valued it at Aus$600m.  Muir refused to sell for less than Aus$1bn.  Far from putting JB HiFi off, they stayed in the game, and were joined by two other bidders - an Australian conglomerate and a US-based equity fund.  

    In September 2016, JB HiFi bought the business for Aus$870m.  

    What can we learn from this?  
    • Andrew Muir knows how to do a deal. 
    • He won't do a deal at a price that doesn't suit him. 
    • He won't rush to do a bad deal in a short period of time. 
    • The Good Guys was profitable, so delays worked in his favour - Charlton loses money, so delays work in his favour here too. 
    • Even while holding all the cards, the seller took a 13% haircut - Roland holds none, so we just need to sit tight and wait for him to decide how much money he wants to lose. 
    If it takes six years to complete a good deal, then we have nothing to panic about simply because a deal hasn't happened yet.  Time, as Sir Mick has said for many years, is on our side. 
    I understand what you are saying but you cannot compare the situations, mostly for reasons you detailed. Good Guys was profitable and so a delayed deal wasn't really hurting anyone. 

    In our case, the longer we have Roland the worse it is. Yes some of that was dispproved recently with our fanbase uniting and relative on the pitch success, but he is still a cancer. 

    Just because Muir is a patient man who is happy to wait for the real deal, doesn't mean Charlton Athletic Football Club can afford to be. 
  • Chizz said:
    Missed It said:
    Chizz said:
    It's been a couple of years already since the first, "official" rumours that a takeover might be forthcoming.  A long and very frustrating time. And I would bet that everyone involved - from Roland to the bidders, from the EFL to CARD - wished it would complete as soon as possible.  But how long does a takeover take? It's impossible to generalise, of course.  So it's useful to examine how long it took one of the current parties to complete a fairly recent takeover negotiation, from first rumours to completed, done deal. 

    Andrew Muir's father Ian built up a business called Mighty Muir.  Forty years later, Ian and Andrew renamed the business The Good Guys and set about a significant expansion of the business, from 14 stores in 1992 to 101 in 2016.  In 2010, a rumour was circulated that JB HiFi had offered Aus$750m.  Analysts valued it at Aus$600m.  Muir refused to sell for less than Aus$1bn.  Far from putting JB HiFi off, they stayed in the game, and were joined by two other bidders - an Australian conglomerate and a US-based equity fund.  

    In September 2016, JB HiFi bought the business for Aus$870m.  

    What can we learn from this?  
    • Andrew Muir knows how to do a deal. 
    • He won't do a deal at a price that doesn't suit him. 
    • He won't rush to do a bad deal in a short period of time. 
    • The Good Guys was profitable, so delays worked in his favour - Charlton loses money, so delays work in his favour here too. 
    • Even while holding all the cards, the seller took a 13% haircut - Roland holds none, so we just need to sit tight and wait for him to decide how much money he wants to lose. 
    If it takes six years to complete a good deal, then we have nothing to panic about simply because a deal hasn't happened yet.  Time, as Sir Mick has said for many years, is on our side. 

    So, no deal is better than bad deal?  Last time I heard that it didn't end well.
    No.  A good deal, however long it takes, is likely to be better than a bad deal.  

    The Spivs.  Roland.  Those were two, quick, bad deals.  Being taken over at the right price, by the right people is likely to be better. 
    I'm not sure there's a good deal to be had here.  Not while Roland is involved and he's demanding his own idiot premium on the price.  He's as rich as Muir, he can wait as long as Muir.  I expect the Charlton losses don't make a very noticeable dent in his finances, it's just the aggravation from the peasants he doesn't like.
  • Chizz said:
    It's been a couple of years already since the first, "official" rumours that a takeover might be forthcoming.  A long and very frustrating time. And I would bet that everyone involved - from Roland to the bidders, from the EFL to CARD - wished it would complete as soon as possible.  But how long does a takeover take? It's impossible to generalise, of course.  So it's useful to examine how long it took one of the current parties to complete a fairly recent takeover negotiation, from first rumours to completed, done deal. 

    Andrew Muir's father Ian built up a business called Mighty Muir.  Forty years later, Ian and Andrew renamed the business The Good Guys and set about a significant expansion of the business, from 14 stores in 1992 to 101 in 2016.  In 2010, a rumour was circulated that JB HiFi had offered Aus$750m.  Analysts valued it at Aus$600m.  Muir refused to sell for less than Aus$1bn.  Far from putting JB HiFi off, they stayed in the game, and were joined by two other bidders - an Australian conglomerate and a US-based equity fund.  

    In September 2016, JB HiFi bought the business for Aus$870m.  

    What can we learn from this?  
    • Andrew Muir knows how to do a deal. 
    • He won't do a deal at a price that doesn't suit him. 
    • He won't rush to do a bad deal in a short period of time. 
    • The Good Guys was profitable, so delays worked in his favour - Charlton loses money, so delays work in his favour here too. 
    • Even while holding all the cards, the seller took a 13% haircut - Roland holds none, so we just need to sit tight and wait for him to decide how much money he wants to lose. 
    If it takes six years to complete a good deal, then we have nothing to panic about simply because a deal hasn't happened yet.  Time, as Sir Mick has said for many years, is on our side. 
    If you allow for Aussie inflation then Aus$750m in 2010 was equivalent to Aus$851m in 2016, so he got an extra 1%.  Not to be sniffed at but far from proves your point.
  • For us to stay in the Championship (While Roland owns the club)

    We will more so need to make the valley a fortress...if our squad is wafer thin and quality of our 1st 11 now at championship level is rather questionable.

    We will need to be a tough away day that no other club will feel good about as an upcoming fixture.

    We can do it.

    The players that we currently have deserve for us to get behind them all the way.

    We will have to be the 12th man and just get those results at home.

    Away day points....can be seen as a bonus.

    We just want to at least stay in the division and take it from there.
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  • Hex said:
    Chizz said:
    It's been a couple of years already since the first, "official" rumours that a takeover might be forthcoming.  A long and very frustrating time. And I would bet that everyone involved - from Roland to the bidders, from the EFL to CARD - wished it would complete as soon as possible.  But how long does a takeover take? It's impossible to generalise, of course.  So it's useful to examine how long it took one of the current parties to complete a fairly recent takeover negotiation, from first rumours to completed, done deal. 

    Andrew Muir's father Ian built up a business called Mighty Muir.  Forty years later, Ian and Andrew renamed the business The Good Guys and set about a significant expansion of the business, from 14 stores in 1992 to 101 in 2016.  In 2010, a rumour was circulated that JB HiFi had offered Aus$750m.  Analysts valued it at Aus$600m.  Muir refused to sell for less than Aus$1bn.  Far from putting JB HiFi off, they stayed in the game, and were joined by two other bidders - an Australian conglomerate and a US-based equity fund.  

    In September 2016, JB HiFi bought the business for Aus$870m.  

    What can we learn from this?  
    • Andrew Muir knows how to do a deal. 
    • He won't do a deal at a price that doesn't suit him. 
    • He won't rush to do a bad deal in a short period of time. 
    • The Good Guys was profitable, so delays worked in his favour - Charlton loses money, so delays work in his favour here too. 
    • Even while holding all the cards, the seller took a 13% haircut - Roland holds none, so we just need to sit tight and wait for him to decide how much money he wants to lose. 
    If it takes six years to complete a good deal, then we have nothing to panic about simply because a deal hasn't happened yet.  Time, as Sir Mick has said for many years, is on our side. 
    If you allow for Aussie inflation then Aus$750m in 2010 was equivalent to Aus$851m in 2016, so he got an extra 1%.  Not to be sniffed at but far from proves your point.
    My "point" is that a deal sometimes takes time.
  • Chizz said:
    Hex said:
    Chizz said:
    It's been a couple of years already since the first, "official" rumours that a takeover might be forthcoming.  A long and very frustrating time. And I would bet that everyone involved - from Roland to the bidders, from the EFL to CARD - wished it would complete as soon as possible.  But how long does a takeover take? It's impossible to generalise, of course.  So it's useful to examine how long it took one of the current parties to complete a fairly recent takeover negotiation, from first rumours to completed, done deal. 

    Andrew Muir's father Ian built up a business called Mighty Muir.  Forty years later, Ian and Andrew renamed the business The Good Guys and set about a significant expansion of the business, from 14 stores in 1992 to 101 in 2016.  In 2010, a rumour was circulated that JB HiFi had offered Aus$750m.  Analysts valued it at Aus$600m.  Muir refused to sell for less than Aus$1bn.  Far from putting JB HiFi off, they stayed in the game, and were joined by two other bidders - an Australian conglomerate and a US-based equity fund.  

    In September 2016, JB HiFi bought the business for Aus$870m.  

    What can we learn from this?  
    • Andrew Muir knows how to do a deal. 
    • He won't do a deal at a price that doesn't suit him. 
    • He won't rush to do a bad deal in a short period of time. 
    • The Good Guys was profitable, so delays worked in his favour - Charlton loses money, so delays work in his favour here too. 
    • Even while holding all the cards, the seller took a 13% haircut - Roland holds none, so we just need to sit tight and wait for him to decide how much money he wants to lose. 
    If it takes six years to complete a good deal, then we have nothing to panic about simply because a deal hasn't happened yet.  Time, as Sir Mick has said for many years, is on our side. 
    If you allow for Aussie inflation then Aus$750m in 2010 was equivalent to Aus$851m in 2016, so he got an extra 1%.  Not to be sniffed at but far from proves your point.
    My "point" is that a deal sometimes takes time.
    I agree on that point.  Josh Harris buying into Palace took the best part of a year.
  • Chizz said:
    Hex said:
    Chizz said:
    It's been a couple of years already since the first, "official" rumours that a takeover might be forthcoming.  A long and very frustrating time. And I would bet that everyone involved - from Roland to the bidders, from the EFL to CARD - wished it would complete as soon as possible.  But how long does a takeover take? It's impossible to generalise, of course.  So it's useful to examine how long it took one of the current parties to complete a fairly recent takeover negotiation, from first rumours to completed, done deal. 

    Andrew Muir's father Ian built up a business called Mighty Muir.  Forty years later, Ian and Andrew renamed the business The Good Guys and set about a significant expansion of the business, from 14 stores in 1992 to 101 in 2016.  In 2010, a rumour was circulated that JB HiFi had offered Aus$750m.  Analysts valued it at Aus$600m.  Muir refused to sell for less than Aus$1bn.  Far from putting JB HiFi off, they stayed in the game, and were joined by two other bidders - an Australian conglomerate and a US-based equity fund.  

    In September 2016, JB HiFi bought the business for Aus$870m.  

    What can we learn from this?  
    • Andrew Muir knows how to do a deal. 
    • He won't do a deal at a price that doesn't suit him. 
    • He won't rush to do a bad deal in a short period of time. 
    • The Good Guys was profitable, so delays worked in his favour - Charlton loses money, so delays work in his favour here too. 
    • Even while holding all the cards, the seller took a 13% haircut - Roland holds none, so we just need to sit tight and wait for him to decide how much money he wants to lose. 
    If it takes six years to complete a good deal, then we have nothing to panic about simply because a deal hasn't happened yet.  Time, as Sir Mick has said for many years, is on our side. 
    If you allow for Aussie inflation then Aus$750m in 2010 was equivalent to Aus$851m in 2016, so he got an extra 1%.  Not to be sniffed at but far from proves your point.
    My "point" is that a deal sometimes takes time.
    I think with the Aussies, we are into year 3
  • Dave2l said:
    For us to stay in the Championship (While Roland owns the club)

    We will more so need to make the valley a fortress...if our squad is wafer thin and quality of our 1st 11 now at championship level is rather questionable.

    We will need to be a tough away day that no other club will feel good about as an upcoming fixture.

    We can do it.

    The players that we currently have deserve for us to get behind them all the way.

    We will have to be the 12th man and just get those results at home.

    Away day points....can be seen as a bonus.

    We just want to at least stay in the division and take it from there.
    Unfortunately, the players that we had on Sunday and the players that we have today are likely to be drastically different and inferior come August. Will that skeleton squad under Roland's stewardship deserve undying support? (and will Bowyer still be manager?) 
  • Dave2l said:
    For us to stay in the Championship (While Roland owns the club)

    We will more so need to make the valley a fortress...if our squad is wafer thin and quality of our 1st 11 now at championship level is rather questionable.

    We will need to be a tough away day that no other club will feel good about as an upcoming fixture.

    We can do it.

    The players that we currently have deserve for us to get behind them all the way.

    We will have to be the 12th man and just get those results at home.

    Away day points....can be seen as a bonus.

    We just want to at least stay in the division and take it from there.
    Unfortunately, the players that we had on Sunday and the players that we have today are likely to be drastically different and inferior come August. Will that skeleton squad under Roland's stewardship deserve undying support? (and will Bowyer still be manager?) 
    Well I'll be supporting Lee & the team & if you don't want to, disappear until we're back at Wembley agsin. 
  • Dave2l said:
    For us to stay in the Championship (While Roland owns the club)

    We will more so need to make the valley a fortress...if our squad is wafer thin and quality of our 1st 11 now at championship level is rather questionable.

    We will need to be a tough away day that no other club will feel good about as an upcoming fixture.

    We can do it.

    The players that we currently have deserve for us to get behind them all the way.

    We will have to be the 12th man and just get those results at home.

    Away day points....can be seen as a bonus.

    We just want to at least stay in the division and take it from there.
    Unfortunately, the players that we had on Sunday and the players that we have today are likely to be drastically different and inferior come August. Will that skeleton squad under Roland's stewardship deserve undying support? (and will Bowyer still be manager?) 
    Well I'll be supporting Lee & the team & if you don't want to, disappear until we're back at Wembley agsin. 
    You missed out the bit "I will be supporting Roland",by putting money in his pocket every time you go through the turnstile :-)
  • edited June 2019
    PeterGage said:
    Dave2l said:
    For us to stay in the Championship (While Roland owns the club)

    We will more so need to make the valley a fortress...if our squad is wafer thin and quality of our 1st 11 now at championship level is rather questionable.

    We will need to be a tough away day that no other club will feel good about as an upcoming fixture.

    We can do it.

    The players that we currently have deserve for us to get behind them all the way.

    We will have to be the 12th man and just get those results at home.

    Away day points....can be seen as a bonus.

    We just want to at least stay in the division and take it from there.
    Unfortunately, the players that we had on Sunday and the players that we have today are likely to be drastically different and inferior come August. Will that skeleton squad under Roland's stewardship deserve undying support? (and will Bowyer still be manager?) 
    Well I'll be supporting Lee & the team & if you don't want to, disappear until we're back at Wembley agsin. 
    You missed out the bit "I will be supporting Roland",by putting money in his pocket every time you go through the turnstile :-)
    An alternative view is that by attending you are helping to reduce the club's losses which, in turn, means that Roland doesn't have to put in as much which he then charges at 3% interest.

    I'm not sure if anyone's done a cost/benefit analysis of attending vs boycotting.
  • .......as long as it takes for the "Aussies" to hand some paperwork into the EFL office - or 1670+ pages on here.

  • While the Good Guys remained unsold it was still in the hands of the people who expanded the business and created the value. While CAFC remains unsold it is still the hands of the person who has severely damaged it.

    RD's model is unsustainable and has already stretched the club far beyond normal limits. A season as miraculous as 85-86 has now changed the landscape somewhat but the club is in urgent need of major repair. The fans are in desperate need of reassurance that rescue is on the way, yet from all parties there is only silence. And the relentless football calendar moves on.

    For every lock there is a key. It's long overdue that someone found Roland's. Addicks deserve better than this eternal stalemate.

  • .......as long as it takes for the "Aussies" to hand some paperwork into the EFL office - or 1670+ pages on here.
    If you believe LdT
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  • PeterGage said:
    Dave2l said:
    For us to stay in the Championship (While Roland owns the club)

    We will more so need to make the valley a fortress...if our squad is wafer thin and quality of our 1st 11 now at championship level is rather questionable.

    We will need to be a tough away day that no other club will feel good about as an upcoming fixture.

    We can do it.

    The players that we currently have deserve for us to get behind them all the way.

    We will have to be the 12th man and just get those results at home.

    Away day points....can be seen as a bonus.

    We just want to at least stay in the division and take it from there.
    Unfortunately, the players that we had on Sunday and the players that we have today are likely to be drastically different and inferior come August. Will that skeleton squad under Roland's stewardship deserve undying support? (and will Bowyer still be manager?) 
    Well I'll be supporting Lee & the team & if you don't want to, disappear until we're back at Wembley agsin. 
    You missed out the bit "I will be supporting Roland",by putting money in his pocket every time you go through the turnstile :-)
    Sticking a smiley face on the end of that post doesn't diminish its fatuosness at all. 

  • While the Good Guys remained unsold it was still in the hands of the people who expanded the business and created the value. While CAFC remains unsold it is still the hands of the person who has severely damaged it.

    RD's model is unsustainable and has already stretched the club far beyond normal limits. A season as miraculous as 85-86 has now changed the landscape somewhat but the club is in urgent need of major repair. The fans are in desperate need of reassurance that rescue is on the way, yet from all parties there is only silence. And the relentless football calendar moves on.

    For every lock there is a key. It's long overdue that someone found Roland's. Addicks deserve better than this eternal stalemate.

    I agree. 

    But would you say Charlton are in a better or worse place than we were twelve months ago? 

  • That's almost impossible to answer.

    There's no denying LB's magnificent achievement but unlike the unfettered joy of 1998, which was continuing the 10-year march from Woolwich Town Hall, Sunday's delirium and disbelief are overshadowed by our charmless owner and his malign influence.

    Hand on heart I think we're little better off. We find ourselves living in a beautiful new mansion but it's built on quicksand. What I want to see are hi-vis jackets and the dance of flashlights on the horizon, the beat of approaching helis, the barking of tracker dogs on the scent - not this unnatural and eerie quiet, waiting for a move from someone who doesn't understand us, want us, like us or respect us. 

    I wish I felt different, I really do ....

  • You need to change your user name! 

    For me, I'm quietly positive that Charlton has improved in the last twelve months, despite Roland. And happy he's had to take another ten million hit in the meantime. 

    The last year has probably hurt Charlton less than it has hurt the owner. 

  • Sorry about that. But the smile is back - it seems we're after the little man from Bolton!!

    As the Owner sits in his farmhouse parlour polishing his pennies I don't rejoice in the money he's lost. I just wish he had spent it more wisely and not just wasted it - it could have come in handy.

    Over the past year I've come to know, or know better, some of the club's personnel and given the circumstances they are doing us proud. CAFC has pulled itself together, and there is new life in the stands. We need just one person - the right person - to take a gamble on us and this place will take off like a rocket. Everything is in place as long as the coaching staff sign new deals asap - they are vital to this project.


  • Redskin said:
    PeterGage said:
    Dave2l said:
    For us to stay in the Championship (While Roland owns the club)

    We will more so need to make the valley a fortress...if our squad is wafer thin and quality of our 1st 11 now at championship level is rather questionable.

    We will need to be a tough away day that no other club will feel good about as an upcoming fixture.

    We can do it.

    The players that we currently have deserve for us to get behind them all the way.

    We will have to be the 12th man and just get those results at home.

    Away day points....can be seen as a bonus.

    We just want to at least stay in the division and take it from there.
    Unfortunately, the players that we had on Sunday and the players that we have today are likely to be drastically different and inferior come August. Will that skeleton squad under Roland's stewardship deserve undying support? (and will Bowyer still be manager?) 
    Well I'll be supporting Lee & the team & if you don't want to, disappear until we're back at Wembley agsin. 
    You missed out the bit "I will be supporting Roland",by putting money in his pocket every time you go through the turnstile :-)
    Sticking a smiley face on the end of that post doesn't diminish its fatuosness at all. 
    Grow up. The smiley face was an indication that my remarks were said in a jokey fashion and without malice. 

    Incidently, your name, ie Redskin would be seen as an insult to all "First Nations Peoples" in America and Canada. No smiley face for you !!
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Roland Out Forever!