Emiliano Sala plane crash
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Possible. But the chances are that given the circumstances the crash apparently happened in even if the pilot were somehow to have got out first and jumped he probably isn't going to have made it very far from what I can see.Rudders22 said:This is what I can't understand. Sala was stuck in his seat and yet the pilot wasn't and has never been found? Is it possible he bailed out before crashing and survived and done a runner? Would he have been wearing a parachute?
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Had he done that, it wouldn't have been a runner he did, rather a swimmer in stormy seas!Rudders22 said:This is what I can't understand. Sala was stuck in his seat and yet the pilot wasn't and has never been found? Is it possible he bailed out before crashing and survived and done a runner? Would he have been wearing a parachute?1 -
He also shot JFK and planned 9/11 on the way down.Rudders22 said:This is what I can't understand. Sala was stuck in his seat and yet the pilot wasn't and has never been found? Is it possible he bailed out before crashing and survived and done a runner? Would he have been wearing a parachute?8 -
When you put everything together, an old banger of a plane, a pilot lacking in the qualifications for this sort of flight, extremely poor weather conditions and flying over water. Maybe if you took any one of those factors out, all would have been well, but all four together was probably too much.1
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Exactly, this is why there are regulations , and when those regulations are flouted someone needs to end up in the clink for manslaughter, and clearly that someone isn't the hapless pilot, regardless of the fact that he has passed away and cannot assist investigations.MuttleyCAFC said:When you put everything together, an old banger of a plane, a pilot lacking in the qualifications for this sort of flight, extremely poor weather conditions and flying over water. Maybe if you took any one of those factors out, all would have been well, but all four together was probably too much.0 -
Cardiff ordered to pay up! https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49825166Think that's about right!1
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If he had all that time he could have had a look for the ball Nicky Bailey took his penalty with.Stu_of_Kunming said:
He also shot JFK and planned 9/11 on the way down.Rudders22 said:This is what I can't understand. Sala was stuck in his seat and yet the pilot wasn't and has never been found? Is it possible he bailed out before crashing and survived and done a runner? Would he have been wearing a parachute?2 -
Although not the 15m that the transfer was originally for.cafc-west said:Cardiff ordered to pay up! https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49825166Think that's about right!0 -
Seems that is still not clear and the £5.3m payment might be just the first installment which they were due to pay - they may have to pay the balance.The_President said:
Although not the 15m that the transfer was originally for.cafc-west said:Cardiff ordered to pay up! https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49825166Think that's about right!
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That was found in the back of a number 53 route master, on the moonricky_otto said:
If he had all that time he could have had a look for the ball Nicky Bailey took his penalty with.Stu_of_Kunming said:
He also shot JFK and planned 9/11 on the way down.Rudders22 said:This is what I can't understand. Sala was stuck in his seat and yet the pilot wasn't and has never been found? Is it possible he bailed out before crashing and survived and done a runner? Would he have been wearing a parachute?0 -
The article says the second installment is due in January 2020 so it looks like the full amount might need to be paid?The_President said:
Although not the 15m that the transfer was originally for.cafc-west said:Cardiff ordered to pay up! https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49825166Think that's about right!0 -
I remember reading somewhere (possibly a Gladwell book called Outliers) that there tends to be around seven crucial factors to lead to a crash. Any single issue on it's own is unlikely to be critical.MuttleyCAFC said:When you put everything together, an old banger of a plane, a pilot lacking in the qualifications for this sort of flight, extremely poor weather conditions and flying over water. Maybe if you took any one of those factors out, all would have been well, but all four together was probably too much.0 -
No pilot is gonna cause a bit of a problem though JimJiMMy 85 said:
I remember reading somewhere (possibly a Gladwell book called Outliers) that there tends to be around seven crucial factors to lead to a crash. Any single issue on it's own is unlikely to be critical.MuttleyCAFC said:When you put everything together, an old banger of a plane, a pilot lacking in the qualifications for this sort of flight, extremely poor weather conditions and flying over water. Maybe if you took any one of those factors out, all would have been well, but all four together was probably too much.1 -
Good news.
Disgraceful behaviour by Cardiff in the first place.
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I think they should have paid the whole transfer fee to Sala's family6
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Addick Addict said:Surely Cardiff should have paid by now anyway? The insurance money has nothing to do with Nantes has it? Presumably as soon as Cardiff signed the player he became their responsibility and would have been covered by the Club's blanket death in service insurance policy? Cardiff will get paid by the insurance company once the death certificate has been produced. Does make me wonder who leaked Nantes request to the press though - A source at Cardiff says they will honour the contract but not until they have clarified "all the facts". What facts?
Talk is cheap as they say or, in this particular case, publicity is cheap- put him on the team sheet in the next programme after his death as a token publicity stunt but then try to avoid paying for him by denying that he was your player in the first place.
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Ahem. Agree with all the above comments, but what about the agent's fees trousered by the McKay clan? Nobody is talking about that.1
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Cardiff are appealing the ruling that they have to pay (at least) the first instalment of the transfer fee to Nantes0
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Cardiff are not coming out of this at all well. Basically refusing to pay and instead claiming that Nantes owe them for damages!
Cardiff City face a three-window transfer ban if they fail to pay Nantes the first installment of the £15m fee for striker Emiliano Sala.
Fifa has released the full reasons for its September ruling ordering Cardiff to pay the first 6m euros (£5.3m).
Cardiff will lodge an appeal against the decision in the next two weeks to the Court of Arbitration for Sport.
The Championship club have argued they were not liable for any of the fee because the Argentine was not officially their player when he died.
The world governing body's players' status committee (PSC) ruled Cardiff must pay the sum "corresponding to the first installment due" in the transfer agreement and rejected the Welsh club's arguments on a variety of grounds.
The PSC report reveals Cardiff had sought to delay Fifa's judgement until possible civil and criminal proceedings, as well as an Air Accident Investigation Bureau investigation had been concluded.
They also argued Nantes would be "liable" for damages to them over the fatal flight, which was booked by Willie McKay and his son Mark, who was employed by the French club, to find a buyer for the player.
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Warnock & Cardiff are well suited.0
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The pilot of the plane that crashed killing footballer Emiliano Sala was not licensed to fly the aircraft, a report has found.
Sala, 28, and pilot David Ibbotson died in the crash in the English Channel, two days after the Argentine signed for Cardiff City in January 2019.
The Air Accidents Investigation Branch published its findings on Friday.
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Just to clarify he had a license however it did not cover that plane at night in the dark.clive said:The pilot of the plane that crashed killing footballer Emiliano Sala was not licensed to fly the aircraft, a report has found.
Sala, 28, and pilot David Ibbotson died in the crash in the English Channel, two days after the Argentine signed for Cardiff City in January 2019.
The Air Accidents Investigation Branch published its findings on Friday.
For small aircraft you can hold a VFR licence which stands for Visual Flight Rules or an IFR licence which stands for Instrument Flight Rules.
Visual Flight Rules mean you are licenced to fly the plane using a minimum of the planes instruments and a lot of looking out the window using the ground as a reference. Instrument Flight Rules mean you are 100% using the planes instruments as you cannot see anything out the window.
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Sadly this has all turned out as I expected. Hopefully the CAA will finally act to close the loophole that allows pilots without CPL/ATPL licences to carry passengers on the pretense that they are "cost-sharing" and not being paid.eaststandmike said:
Just to clarify he had a license however it did not cover that plane at night in the dark.clive said:The pilot of the plane that crashed killing footballer Emiliano Sala was not licensed to fly the aircraft, a report has found.
Sala, 28, and pilot David Ibbotson died in the crash in the English Channel, two days after the Argentine signed for Cardiff City in January 2019.
The Air Accidents Investigation Branch published its findings on Friday.
For small aircraft you can hold a VFR licence which stands for Visual Flight Rules or an IFR licence which stands for Instrument Flight Rules.
Visual Flight Rules mean you are licenced to fly the plane using a minimum of the planes instruments and a lot of looking out the window using the ground as a reference. Instrument Flight Rules mean you are 100% using the planes instruments as you cannot see anything out the window.
Very sad
Tragic and entirely pointless and avoidable deaths.0 -
A man has appeared in court in connection with the plane crash which killed footballer Emiliano Sala, a pre-inquest hearing was told.
The plane carrying 28-year-old Sala and pilot David Ibbotson from Nantes to Cardiff crashed into the English Channel in January 2019.
David Henderson, 60, pleaded not guilty at Cardiff Magistrates' Court.
The full inquest at Bournemouth Coroner's Court was adjourned until the trial in 2022.
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2022! That’s tough for families on both sides.clive said:A man has appeared in court in connection with the plane crash which killed footballer Emiliano Sala, a pre-inquest hearing was told.
The plane carrying 28-year-old Sala and pilot David Ibbotson from Nantes to Cardiff crashed into the English Channel in January 2019.
David Henderson, 60, pleaded not guilty at Cardiff Magistrates' Court.
The full inquest at Bournemouth Coroner's Court was adjourned until the trial in 2022.
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Have Cardiff paid Nantes any of the transfer fee to date?0
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The family of footballer Emiliano Sala has begun legal action against his old club and Cardiff City, who he was about to join when he died in an air crash.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-56346321
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I don't think they have. FIFA ruled they had to pay it but then Cardiff appealed to CAS and the hearing last year was delayed.Addickted said:Have Cardiff paid Nantes any of the transfer fee to date?0
