Charlton / L1 - January 2019 Transfer Rumours (ed, deadline day starts p98)
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There's no evidence that it's Roland trying to sell Karlan. All the transfer gossip sounds more like something Karlan's agent has been generatingpaulie8290 said:People on here saying its Roland of course he will sell him, he will pocket the money and other shit.
Remember if Roland does that he will have to knock money off from his asking price as he will have sold one of the assets if the club, that would basically be cutting his nose to spite his face and then if we dont get promoted his asking price will de value even more, so take £2M now and risk losing £6M/7M from asking price or dont take the £2M now and with promotion your asking price would go up in value.
We all know he only cares about the money so surely from his point of view to get more money Grant has to stay3 -
Didn’t know where to put this, rumours thread felt best....full of bollocks
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To be fair, a lot of those goals were laid on a plate for him by the good players around him. He's fast and gets into good positions but £2m for a player with no first touch wouldn't be the worst deal. I do hope he stays thoughcafc_se7 said:I’m not being funny but all this talk of replacing Grant? He has scored 14 league goals? How can you replace that?
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This is a typical Charlton comment.Leuth said:
To be fair, a lot of those goals were laid on a plate for him by the good players around him. He's fast and gets into good positions but £2m for a player with no first touch wouldn't be the worst deal. I do hope he stays thoughcafc_se7 said:I’m not being funny but all this talk of replacing Grant? He has scored 14 league goals? How can you replace that?
He has 14 goals, oh yeah but they were laid on a plate for him and he has no 1st touch.
Would Ajose have 14 goals?? no he misses a few good chances that were giving to him, why as soon as we have a decent player are people so quick to dismiss it13 -
Yeaa okay... Bradford and Shrewsbury (at the Valley) werent laid on a plate for him; still had a lot to do against Walsall, cant actually think of a tap in from him?Leuth said:
To be fair, a lot of those goals were laid on a plate for him by the good players around him. He's fast and gets into good positions but £2m for a player with no first touch wouldn't be the worst deal. I do hope he stays thoughcafc_se7 said:I’m not being funny but all this talk of replacing Grant? He has scored 14 league goals? How can you replace that?
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It's possible to analyse a player with a little more depth than "scored 14 goals!!" - there are good aspects to Grant but also some fairly obvious shortcomings, even at this level. As I say, I'm enjoying him in our side and I don't want him to be sold, but he is very, very far from being a complete player10
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Are there many complete players at this level?Leuth said:It's possible to analyse a player with a little more depth than "scored 14 goals!!" - there are good aspects to Grant but also some fairly obvious shortcomings, even at this level. As I say, I'm enjoying him in our side and I don't want him to be sold, but he is very, very far from being a complete player
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We have quite a few players much closer to being complete packages than Grant, whose touch and decision-making are constantly exculpated by his occasional cool in front of goal. Taylor is much more complete. Bielik. Cullen. Williams. Bauer. Sarr. Aribo. JFC. All of these players have more of the attributes you'd hope for in their position than Grant does. Grant's importance is magnified by the fact we have nobody else to play in his positionForeverAddickted said:
Are there many complete players at this level?Leuth said:It's possible to analyse a player with a little more depth than "scored 14 goals!!" - there are good aspects to Grant but also some fairly obvious shortcomings, even at this level. As I say, I'm enjoying him in our side and I don't want him to be sold, but he is very, very far from being a complete player
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No his inportance is magnified by the fact he is the 3rd top scorer in our league and only 2 goals behind the top scorerLeuth said:
We have quite a few players much closer to being complete packages than Grant, whose touch and decision-making are constantly exculpated by his occasional cool in front of goal. Taylor is much more complete. Bielik. Cullen. Williams. Bauer. Sarr. Aribo. JFC. All of these players have more of the attributes you'd hope for in their position than Grant does. Grant's importance is magnified by the fact we have nobody else to play in his positionForeverAddickted said:
Are there many complete players at this level?Leuth said:It's possible to analyse a player with a little more depth than "scored 14 goals!!" - there are good aspects to Grant but also some fairly obvious shortcomings, even at this level. As I say, I'm enjoying him in our side and I don't want him to be sold, but he is very, very far from being a complete player
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You say the goals have been layed on a plate but he has the mental awareness to be in the right place at the right time, how many players have earned a living from scoring because they know to be in the right place at the right time3
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Bielik and Cullen are down from Premier League sides so could argue have had better coaching than Grant else they wouldnt still be at Arsenal or West Ham
Taylor is eight years older so what do you expect; Williams is a Welsh International; Bauer is six years older; Sarr has got Champions League experience so of course those players will be at a more complete stage than Grant... End of the day you still have to acknowledge the fact that whilst Taylor is a more complete player (Your words) he's still got less League goals than Karlan
Also how the hell can you say that Grant's importance is magnified by the fact we've no one who can play in his position when both Igor Vetokele (another Champions League player) and Nicky Ajose (got 24-goals in one season at this level) have been forced to keep their arses warm on the bench whilst he's been scoring for fun?
Hell dont get me wrong he's got his faults and at times has a heavy touch where you want to scream yet overall this season has proven that he's got the potential to go a lot higher than any of us predicted prior to this time last year2 -
And the fact he has scored a load of goals.0
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Exactly. A player getting himself in position for a tap in has timed his run, lost his marker, stayed onside and read what his team mates are doing so they can pick him out.paulie8290 said:You say the goals have been layed on a plate but he has the mental awareness to be in the right place at the right time, how many players have earned a living from scoring because they know to be in the right place at the right time
Add that ability to his speed, skill and strength and we have a very good player on our hands.
Taylor is seven years older and has that much more experience but he was playing non-league at Grant's age.
I never get why some people can't be happy with praising their favourite player/s but have to slag off other Charlton players to make their stars seem better.6 -
Exactly Owen earned his living from that, now I am not comparing the 2 and Owen had other qualities, but how many goals did he get from being in the right place at the right time, same as DefoeHenry Irving said:
Exactly. A player getting himself in position for a tap in has timed his run, lost his marker, stayed onside and read what his team mates are doing so they can pick him out.paulie8290 said:You say the goals have been layed on a plate but he has the mental awareness to be in the right place at the right time, how many players have earned a living from scoring because they know to be in the right place at the right time
Add that ability to his speed, skill and strength and we have a very good player on our hands.
Taylor is seven years older and has that much more experience but he was playing non-league at Grant's age.
I never get why some people can't be happy with praising their favourite player/s but have to slag off other Charlton players to make their stars seem better.0 -
Vetokele has been injured for almost the whole season, and unfit for all of it. Ajose doesn't quite have Grant's pace or presence but he wasn't the worst foil for Taylor on the rare occasions they played together. He's on loan in League Two now anyway. Grant has had little credible competition for his spot.
Obviously he has potential but I think pace can get you pretty far at this level2 -
And EXACTLY re: Ajose's 24-goal season - surely that should teach a bit of caution1
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Slag off? I'm being completely level-headed. I said I liked him and wanted him to stay. I suppose your deliberately lukewarm review of Sarr's last performance was far more level headed?Henry Irving said:
Exactly. A player getting himself in position for a tap in has timed his run, lost his marker, stayed onside and read what his team mates are doing so they can pick him out.paulie8290 said:You say the goals have been layed on a plate but he has the mental awareness to be in the right place at the right time, how many players have earned a living from scoring because they know to be in the right place at the right time
Add that ability to his speed, skill and strength and we have a very good player on our hands.
Taylor is seven years older and has that much more experience but he was playing non-league at Grant's age.
I never get why some people can't be happy with praising their favourite player/s but have to slag off other Charlton players to make their stars seem better.0 -
He’s said the same about Lenglet, that CB at Napoli and other players that have since gone for big fees or made names for themselves in Europe.stackitsteve said:Didn’t know where to put this, rumours thread felt best....full of bollocks
If it’s not total bullsh*t then I guess it proves to Tommy D and to us (if we didn’t know already!) that real life isn’t anything like Football Manager.1 -
Leuth said:
We have quite a few players much closer to being complete packages than Grant, whose touch and decision-making are constantly exculpated by his occasional cool in front of goal. Taylor is much more complete. Bielik. Cullen. Williams. Bauer. Sarr. Aribo. JFC. All of these players have more of the attributes you'd hope for in their position than Grant does. Grant's importance is magnified by the fact we have nobody else to play in his positionForeverAddickted said:
Are there many complete players at this level?Leuth said:It's possible to analyse a player with a little more depth than "scored 14 goals!!" - there are good aspects to Grant but also some fairly obvious shortcomings, even at this level. As I say, I'm enjoying him in our side and I don't want him to be sold, but he is very, very far from being a complete player
Of course he's not a complete player, he's a 21 year old League 1 striker having his first good season at this level. Not only has he scored goals, he's also created them (6 assists according to statbank, and they're just the chances teammates have scored from). He has a good partnership with Taylor, something we haven't had up front in years. "Only" scoring 14 goals by January is far better than the majority of strikers we've had in this league.Leuth said:It's possible to analyse a player with a little more depth than "scored 14 goals!!" - there are good aspects to Grant but also some fairly obvious shortcomings, even at this level. As I say, I'm enjoying him in our side and I don't want him to be sold, but he is very, very far from being a complete player
For me he has more potential than someone like BWP or Ajose, who are purely poachers. Grant is has that and more with room to improve further. He's an attacking player with pace and skill, players like that don't tend to have great decision making or an all round game. If he did he'd have left us years ago.
Centre backs and centre mids on the other hand need to have decision making as one of their strengths. A fairer comparison for Grant would be with Fosu, who also needs to improve in that area and isn't having as good a season as Grant.
On Taylor he's an experienced player who's worked his way up the leagues and developed into one of the best players in League 1. In his late teens/early twenties he was playing non-league football on loan with Eastbourne and Lewes.
Take off penalties and only look at goals from open play and Grant's our top scorer with 11. He probably isn't ready for the Championship yet but he's young enough to make the step up over the next few years.11 -
I’m not suggesting he is the complete player, far from it! But there is nobody out there I don’t think who would gel as quickly with Taylor and score goals at the same rate as Karlan! Plus he’s one of our own so he should at least prove himself for the rest of the season with us!Leuth said:
To be fair, a lot of those goals were laid on a plate for him by the good players around him. He's fast and gets into good positions but £2m for a player with no first touch wouldn't be the worst deal. I do hope he stays thoughcafc_se7 said:I’m not being funny but all this talk of replacing Grant? He has scored 14 league goals? How can you replace that?
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Smyth is listed on TransferMarkt as a center forward or right winger. For all of their faults their positioning is usually pretty good.
If he is being brought in as a wide player or someone who can play wide, I wonder if it's as a replacement for Marshall or Clarke. Given it was queued up last week, it makes me think it's unlikely he is the one to be lined up as a replacement for Grant.3 -
I wonder if there is any connection between Smyth at QPR & Steve Gallen ex-QPR ?
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Sunderland In talks with Grant Leadbitter.0
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So in our league we could have lead biter and iron willycovered end junior said:Sunderland In talks with Grant Leadbitter.
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Jan Siewert wouldn't know Karlan Grant from Eddy Grant.
Still don't think he'll be leaving in this window. The media, managers & agents all know our situation.....know his situation & know that he has scored goals this season. The press are putting 2 & 2 together & his sgent is using it as leverage to get us to up his contract (which LB says they are currently negotiating). I still maintain that no Premiership side will buy a 3rd tier striker with just 1 good half season to his name......esp not for £2m when he is out of contract in the summer. Even a Championship side will have 2nd thoughts.
He will still be here next Friday.5 -
He’s definitely gone now that golfie says he isn’t leaving...
On a serious note, most of your reasons for him not leaving in this window are nonsensical:
- I highly doubt Jan Siewert will refuse to sign him just because he hasn’t seen him play in person. That’s if he even gets a say in transfer matters. He will trust the opinion of his scouting network.
- There is no smoke without fire and numerous scouts have come to watch him over the past couple of weeks. This is not just a media story to get an improved contract offer from a club that clearly doesn’t offer improved contracts anyway. If I was a footballer and my agent was trying to squeeze money out of Roland, I would be sacking my agent for being so naive.
- Why wouldn’t a Premier League side stick a £2m punt on the table in this window? To the big boys, £2m is the kind of money you find down the back of the sofa. They will happily spend that kind of money to secure him now, knowing that he could be worth ten times that in a year from now.5 -
Grant has done well this year so it's not surprising there's interest in him. 14 goals, young and plays for a club that will bite your hand off for any sort of transfer fee!
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Sounds 99% sure Grant is off one way or another. Highly likely Huddersfield will see £2m as small fry in the great scheme of things. Never thought Grant would make it and although this season has been a different story, I feel it’s Taylor that has led to Grant’s emergence as much as anything else.
Better players around him at Huddersfield? Definitely.
Good enough to cut it as a regular goal scorer at a higher level? Not so sure.
Ultimately, losing Grant obviously breaks up a winning formula for us this year that significantly hits our likelihood of promotion. Is it really sound business sense for Duchbag to get £2m now and lose whatever financial benefits come from promotion - especially the main prize to him and all of us of securing a buyer for the club?
Sadly, player power rules these days and I fully expect Grant’s head to have been turned and that he will be gone in this window. Best placed finish for us this season will be 6th-10th imho.7 -
Bowyer can not let grant go unless he has a replacement in place that's just as good or even better if we get 2 million for him hopefully and I mean hopefully Roland might give him a million to spend on a striker but I won't hold my breath or I will definitely die2
