Brazil becomes great again
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Bolsonaro seems to be modelled on Duterte in the Philippines and looks to be a pretty terrifying character. The far right are on the march.
I imagine Trump will be a fan.0 -
It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.27 -
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.1 -
Can't they just have another vote until they get the answer The Guardian know to be the correct one?28
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Comedy gold!Huskaris said:Can't they just have another vote until they get the answer The Guardian know to be the correct one?
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Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
All that said, I'm sure gammon twitter has gone in to meltdown, hence Keith's post.0 -
Goes to show how people react when the political class are corrupt, people's lives are blighted by inequality and violent crime is on the increase.
Not sure how more gun are going to help...
I'll be watching what goes on through my fingers.1 -
It was your suggestion. You could represent SE London to discuss the voting.Big_Bad_World said:
Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
How are you this morning young man?
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I'm sure he'll do a very good hardman impersonation and wear a baseball cap.McBobbin said:Goes to show how people react when the political class are corrupt, people's lives are blighted by inequality and violent crime is on the increase.
Not sure how more gun are going to help...
I'll be watching what goes on through my fingers.1 - Sponsored links:
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I don't believe I know better than the Brazilians so wouldn't add anything to the London delegations posturing.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It was your suggestion. You could represent SE London to discuss the voting.Big_Bad_World said:
Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
How are you this morning young man?
I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed today, thank you Hoofster. Yourself? Not as triggered as Keith by the sound of it
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Big_Bad_World said:
I don't believe I know better than the Brazilians so wouldn't add anything to the London delegations posturing.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It was your suggestion. You could represent SE London to discuss the voting.Big_Bad_World said:
Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
How are you this morning young man?
I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed today, thank you Hoofster. Yourself? Not as triggered as Keith by the sound of it
I'm okay.Big_Bad_World said:
I don't believe I know better than the Brazilians so wouldn't add anything to the London delegations posturing.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It was your suggestion. You could represent SE London to discuss the voting.Big_Bad_World said:
Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
How are you this morning young man?
I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed today, thank you Hoofster. Yourself? Not as triggered as Keith by the sound of it
As long as we have royalty we'll be spared an authoritarian President whether they be from the right or the left.1 -
Let's hope that the anti Royalists and pro republic types don't get their own way.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Big_Bad_World said:
I don't believe I know better than the Brazilians so wouldn't add anything to the London delegations posturing.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It was your suggestion. You could represent SE London to discuss the voting.Big_Bad_World said:
Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
How are you this morning young man?
I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed today, thank you Hoofster. Yourself? Not as triggered as Keith by the sound of it
I'm okay.Big_Bad_World said:
I don't believe I know better than the Brazilians so wouldn't add anything to the London delegations posturing.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It was your suggestion. You could represent SE London to discuss the voting.Big_Bad_World said:
Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
How are you this morning young man?
I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed today, thank you Hoofster. Yourself? Not as triggered as Keith by the sound of it
As long as we have royalty we'll be spared an authoritarian President whether they be from the right or the left.0 -
The least bad is sometimes the best we can aspire to.Big_Bad_World said:
Let's hope that the anti Royalists and pro republic types don't get their own way.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Big_Bad_World said:
I don't believe I know better than the Brazilians so wouldn't add anything to the London delegations posturing.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It was your suggestion. You could represent SE London to discuss the voting.Big_Bad_World said:
Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
How are you this morning young man?
I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed today, thank you Hoofster. Yourself? Not as triggered as Keith by the sound of it
I'm okay.Big_Bad_World said:
I don't believe I know better than the Brazilians so wouldn't add anything to the London delegations posturing.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It was your suggestion. You could represent SE London to discuss the voting.Big_Bad_World said:
Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
How are you this morning young man?
I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed today, thank you Hoofster. Yourself? Not as triggered as Keith by the sound of it
As long as we have royalty we'll be spared an authoritarian President whether they be from the right or the left.
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This time it isn't about gammon or culture wars or whatever. Brazilian corruption is endemic; strange to see some people here prefer it with a side-order of unspeakably evil intent and planetary-scale ecological destruction4
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It never is unless you say so.
Although, you're right. That's exactly what people have said and clearly defined as wanting. Strange that they can't just come out and say what you know they want to say and support.
Are you sporting your ring of pineapple this morning?9 -
Not been following it mate. Take it from your last sentence this chap is for tearing down the rainforest? Poor if so.Leuth said:This time it isn't about gammon or culture wars or whatever. Brazilian corruption is endemic; strange to see some people here prefer it with a side-order of unspeakably evil intent and planetary-scale ecological destruction
I went to Brazil for my honeymoon back in 2012, remember returning to my hotel room on an island called Moro de Sao Paulao to find out Johnnie Jackson had scored against sheff wed with that free kick to give us a 1-0 win in our title winning season. A great country0 -
This is probably understatement of the websitecabbles said:
Take it from your last sentence this chap is for tearing down the rainforest? Poor if so.Leuth said:This time it isn't about gammon or culture wars or whatever. Brazilian corruption is endemic; strange to see some people here prefer it with a side-order of unspeakably evil intent and planetary-scale ecological destruction
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And I like how I used this thread to rekindle my memories of the 1-0 win at sheff wed that I missed. Probably not what you wanted when you opened the discussionLeuth said:
This is probably understatement of the websitecabbles said:
Take it from your last sentence this chap is for tearing down the rainforest? Poor if so.Leuth said:This time it isn't about gammon or culture wars or whatever. Brazilian corruption is endemic; strange to see some people here prefer it with a side-order of unspeakably evil intent and planetary-scale ecological destruction
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No, that being the highlight of your honeymoon reflects the general mood of this threadcabbles said:
And I like how I used this thread to rekindle my memories of the 1-0 win at sheff wed that I missed. Probably not what you wanted when you opened the discussionLeuth said:
This is probably understatement of the websitecabbles said:
Take it from your last sentence this chap is for tearing down the rainforest? Poor if so.Leuth said:This time it isn't about gammon or culture wars or whatever. Brazilian corruption is endemic; strange to see some people here prefer it with a side-order of unspeakably evil intent and planetary-scale ecological destruction
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I was in Brazil last week and at one of the street parties it did turn into quite a big political rally (both sides involved).
The options that they had to vote from both sounded absolutely horrendous.6 -
Good luck to the people of Brazil - democracy means you get the leaders you deserve.2
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Authoritarian figures on both the left and ŕight have a pretty disastrous record in world history and I've never understood the attraction.bobmunro said:Good luck to the people of Brazil - democracy means you get the leaders you deserve.
The old Fun Boy Three song 'The Lunatics Have Taken Over the Asylum' springs to mind.
It's a measure of how bad things are in Brazil that a guy like this can get elected.3 -
Let's wait for a while and see what happens .. Brazil as a society has been in a complete mess (and getting messier) for a long time .. The Brazilian people have decided a change at the top is needed0
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Like Ireland then. Or France.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Big_Bad_World said:
I don't believe I know better than the Brazilians so wouldn't add anything to the London delegations posturing.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It was your suggestion. You could represent SE London to discuss the voting.Big_Bad_World said:
Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
How are you this morning young man?
I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed today, thank you Hoofster. Yourself? Not as triggered as Keith by the sound of it
I'm okay.Big_Bad_World said:
I don't believe I know better than the Brazilians so wouldn't add anything to the London delegations posturing.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It was your suggestion. You could represent SE London to discuss the voting.Big_Bad_World said:
Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
How are you this morning young man?
I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed today, thank you Hoofster. Yourself? Not as triggered as Keith by the sound of it
As long as we have royalty we'll be spared an authoritarian President whether they be from the right or the left.0 -
I mean 'the possibility of' an authoritarian President. I'm no great fan of royalty but I could quite easily see the UK electing an authoritarian President.Airman Brown said:
Like Ireland then. Or France.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:Big_Bad_World said:
I don't believe I know better than the Brazilians so wouldn't add anything to the London delegations posturing.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It was your suggestion. You could represent SE London to discuss the voting.Big_Bad_World said:
Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
How are you this morning young man?
I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed today, thank you Hoofster. Yourself? Not as triggered as Keith by the sound of it
I'm okay.Big_Bad_World said:
I don't believe I know better than the Brazilians so wouldn't add anything to the London delegations posturing.hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
It was your suggestion. You could represent SE London to discuss the voting.Big_Bad_World said:
Are you paying?hoof_it_up_to_benty said:
Will you be joining the delegation as per your suggestion?Big_Bad_World said:It would seem that the alternative was yet more corruption.
The Brazilians weren't exactly blessed with a raft of decent options.
Maybe they didn't know what they were voting for. I think sending a delegation from a little enclave in South East London, to tell them how they should have voted, can only be a good thing.
Start up the engines.
Maybe we could share a twin room.
How are you this morning young man?
I'm bright eyed and bushy tailed today, thank you Hoofster. Yourself? Not as triggered as Keith by the sound of it
As long as we have royalty we'll be spared an authoritarian President whether they be from the right or the left.0 -
When the status quo fails you get a reaction. Fail to control immigration - Brexit, Housing/inequality crisis - Corbyn? The Brazilian's wouldn't be voting for this guy if parties of the centre and left hadn't messed up the economy and lost control of law and order. When Bolsonaro in turn fails you can (and I'm sure will) cheer on the Brazilian Chavez to your heart's content.Leuth said:Welcome to hell!
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Unless the president had the same power as the Queen perhaps?
I can't even begin to image who I'd vote for as president. Hoping the queen would run.1 -
Are you optimistic about a right wing authoritarian leader ? Just curious. Which ones do you think have been good examples in world history.Lincsaddick said:Let's wait for a while and see what happens .. Brazil as a society has been in a complete mess (and getting messier) for a long time .. The Brazilian people have decided a change at the top is needed
Brazil is obviously in a mess - that much is obvious.0 -
It's not really a very surprising result though is it? Violent crime is extremely high in Brazil, and people there can't turn to their government to fix it because they're so corrupt. People are scared and Bolsonaro offers them hope that the things that directly affect them might change. The fact he's a horrible, hateful, dreadful little man is a very unfortunate part of it, and he will almost certainly make Brazil a worse place. The reality with populism is though that people will quite happily turn a blind eye to racism, sexism and homophobia if they're not immediately going to suffer for those views in exchange for a big change in their lives. They won't be so cheerful when Bolsonaro starts putting together his military regime and his views on torture and brutal prisons do become a reality for the voters, but hindsight won't help unelect him.
This is the time of extremes, and the logical people need to come up with a better plan than screeching at the voters that they're stupid for thinking the bad people can help them, because it's clearly not working.4
