if under Duchatelet's ownership we won the prem and the euro league, there are many on here who'd still like to see him hanging by his neck outside the main ticket office (or anywhere for that matter)
But if that were to happen, Duchatelet wouldn't have been Duchatelet. he bought a mid-table Champ club. He's selling a mid table L1 club and wanting more money than he paid for it in the Championship. He f***d up; if he hadn't, we wouldn't be in this mess.
I wonder if it is the case, in some kind of Orwellian sense, that Big Brother wants to be loved? Karl Robinson, and before him Russel Slade, certainly Katrien all had to publicly demonstrate deference to Roland, and club communications demanded positive comments. How sincere and credible such regard is can be measured by, for example, the nature of Roland lover Karl Robinson's departure. I agree with @Davo55 above. The football side together with the fans can escape into the nature of the sport, we don't benefit from Lee Bowyer reminding us about the nature of the club under this owner. He might be asked these relationship questions obviously, the best way to answer is probably ask journalists to 'be patient' in their desire to know.
Yes, he needs a decent relationship with the owner - not to pick fights with him. He does need to understand why many of us are not happy with the owner too. Not too harmful what he has said, but would be better not to say any more or even try to mend the relationship between Roland and the fans which KR thought he could do.
I think Bow, like everyone else, thought we'd have a team like at Sunderland for the season, so compared to that he's backed him.
If Scunthorpe can offer more towards Cullen then Roland's like the Aussies, hasn't got the money or won't pay it.
I wonder if it is the case, in some kind of Orwellian sense, that Big Brother wants to be loved? Karl Robinson, and before him Russel Slade, certainly Katrien all had to publicly demonstrate deference to Roland, and club communications demanded positive comments. How sincere and credible such regard is can be measured by, for example, the nature of Roland lover Karl Robinson's departure. I agree with @Davo55 above. The football side together with the fans can escape into the nature of the sport, we don't benefit from Lee Bowyer reminding us about the nature of the club under this owner. He might be asked these relationship questions obviously, the best way to answer is probably ask journalists to 'be patient' in their desire to know.
Surely all of Roland's manager appointments, certainly at least from Slade onwards, are hoping to one day manage the club under a different regime if they can hang on under the current hindrances?
So it was Lee's preferred method to not sign anyone permanently, and to build a squad made up of loanees? Do me a favour
Hmm, Lee never said that did he ? Sorry, but you made that up.
"Whenever I asked for players, he's backed us"
I don't believe the above to be true. Unless Bowyer was happy to wait right until the end of the loan window before bringing bodies in, but I just don't see that as ever being the case.
So it was Lee's preferred method to not sign anyone permanently, and to build a squad made up of loanees? Do me a favour
Hmm, Lee never said that did he ? Sorry, but you made that up.
"Whenever I asked for players, he's backed us"
I don't believe the above to be true. Unless Bowyer was happy to wait right until the end of the loan window before bringing bodies in, but I just don't see that as ever being the case.
Yes, but you did not add that he also said we now have a League 1 budget. So he got the players he wanted within the budget. He also said (elsewhere) that he had to wait until the end of the loan window to get in the players he wanted, rather than take inferior players earlier in the window.
“Okay, the budget is smaller than everybody else’s in the past but he has said it is a League One budget now. We’ve had to accept that.
What a load of bollocks, the only thing the rat likes is money and success. He has had neither at Charlton because he knows nothing about football and has fucked up big style.
Yes, we are really reaping the benefits of the Lookman, Gomez, Pope, Konsa money.
Stupid statement and a kick in the teeth for staff and fans who have watched the club being torn apart over 4 years of gross mismanagement.
Bowyer is just reporting facts, like reporting a man who has just stopped beating his wife as good news. Doesn't mean he agrees with wife beating, doesn't mean he agrees with the budget given to him by RD. "It is what it is" as a realist would say and the good news from Lee is that he got good value out of the budget.
Bowyer needs to keep the barely existent lines of communication with the owner open if he is going to be able to do his job and the club is not to be further torn apart. If it means having to repeat spin from RD we should be able to live with that and see it for what it is.
Must be like being caught up in a journey with a drunk at the wheel and you are trying to save the car from being driven over a cliff.
This is Lee Bowyer's first job in Management and with his track record off the pitch in his younger days,some clubs wouldn't have given him a chance to redeem himself. Because of this elephants pregnancy of a takeover Lee is grateful to be given that opportunity as first caretaker, now as manager. In the real world you don't slag off your boss if you want to keep your job.(I'm speaking from personal experience) Unless everyone on Charlton life is self employed I find the comments naive.
Bowyer may have a soft spot for Charlton but he is not a fan. He is paid to coach and pick the team and so far is doing a good job with JJ. Long may it last so that the new owner keeps both Bow and JJ in their jobs.
So when we don't get top two Bowyers stated ambition (due to underfunding) who will be to blame? We assume also from that that Bowyer will quit too then.
So when we don't get top two Bowyers stated ambition (due to underfunding) who will be to blame? We assume also from that that Bowyer will quit too then.
Bloody hell, it's weird how so many people can read an interview and then just make up a load of nonsense. Sorry, but why on earth do you assume Bowyer will quit if we don't get automatic promotion ? You're making it up as well.
To be clear, this is what Roland does. We've seen it countless time across his career; he hires intelligent, possibly talented young workers and promotes them beyond their experience level in order to secure their loyalty in light of his unilateral decision-making. I don't say that as a criticism of Lee Bowyer, I like him, but he's gone from his first proper coaching job to permanent manager in no time at all. I've no doubt Roland did ring Bowyer to ask if he was ok, and we know for a fact that Bowyer has come into this job knowing that there's no money to spend and he'll have to make do with loans, player sales and nothing. The point is that it's what he did with Katrien, and Fraeye and Driesen amongst others and it's a well-known Roland move. It makes perfect sense that Bowyer would be grateful, just like Katrien tended to argue Roland was doing his best, Fraeye would say he had enough players despite the pitifully small squad and Driesen would say that Roland is a genius. Sure, the ulterior motive Roland has is he creates bullet sponges for himself that he can use to avoid actually taking ownership of his bad decisions, but the reality remains the same for those promoted that they're in a much better role than they otherwise would be.
Roland's style of running a club doesn't work for us or football as a whole, but if you're a young employee with ambition then you can end up being elevated very high very quickly in what ultimately is a huge show of faith from your boss. We shouldn't expect Bowyer to be upset about that aspect when he's a beneficiary of it.
So when we don't get top two Bowyers stated ambition (due to underfunding) who will be to blame? We assume also from that that Bowyer will quit too then.
It's not underfunded though is it? Badly balanced, undoubtedly. Lacking in some positions, obviously.
I bet our bench on Saturday earns more than the Wycombe starting 11. I would imagine we have the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the division.
I would imagine our 3 center halves earn as much as anyone, who doesn't play for Sunderland, in this division.
I have said previously that this is ALL Roland and his lackeys fault. It's not necessary to make up reasons to slag him off when there are many factual ones to use.
So it was Lee's preferred method to not sign anyone permanently, and to build a squad made up of loanees? Do me a favour
Hmm, Lee never said that did he ? Sorry, but you made that up.
"Whenever I asked for players, he's backed us"
I don't believe the above to be true. Unless Bowyer was happy to wait right until the end of the loan window before bringing bodies in, but I just don't see that as ever being the case.
Yes, but you did not add that he also said we now have a League 1 budget. So he got the players he wanted within the budget. He also said (elsewhere) that he had to wait until the end of the loan window to get in the players he wanted, rather than take inferior players earlier in the window.
“Okay, the budget is smaller than everybody else’s in the past but he has said it is a League One budget now. We’ve had to accept that.
We'll agree to disagree. I seem to remember Bowyer promising 3 players would be coming in when the actual transfer window was open, we got 1 in Lyle Taylor. Now if he was including Cullen, Bielik and Ward in that count then fair enough, but I think the vast majority of us assumed he was referring to permanent deals.
I'm very happy with the players we've brought in, as is Bowyer himself, but the entire statement to me seems to contradict itself. "Whenever I asked for players, he's backed us" isn't technically true, unless of course Bowyer only ever wanted to make do with a shoestring budget.
So it was Lee's preferred method to not sign anyone permanently, and to build a squad made up of loanees? Do me a favour
Hmm, Lee never said that did he ? Sorry, but you made that up.
"Whenever I asked for players, he's backed us"
I don't believe the above to be true. Unless Bowyer was happy to wait right until the end of the loan window before bringing bodies in, but I just don't see that as ever being the case.
Yes, but you did not add that he also said we now have a League 1 budget. So he got the players he wanted within the budget. He also said (elsewhere) that he had to wait until the end of the loan window to get in the players he wanted, rather than take inferior players earlier in the window.
“Okay, the budget is smaller than everybody else’s in the past but he has said it is a League One budget now. We’ve had to accept that.
We'll agree to disagree. I seem to remember Bowyer promising 3 players would be coming in when the actual transfer window was open, we got 1 in Lyle Taylor. Now if he was including Cullen, Bielik and Ward in that count then fair enough, but I think the vast majority of us assumed he was referring to permanent deals.
I'm very happy with the players we've brought in, as is Bowyer himself, but the entire statement to me seems to contradict itself. "Whenever I asked for players, he's backed us" isn't technically true, unless of course Bowyer only ever wanted to make do with a shoestring budget.
If you know your budget (he did). He would be a fool to ask for players unattainable within that budget. He was promised if 8 or 9 were let go (I think including loans), he could get in the 4 he wanted. He got his main targets, as he was promised. Then RD let him have a bonus extra of at least one more ie Ward. RD delivered more than he promised. I could come up with hundreds of reasons to slag off RD, but I will always try to tell the truth and be accurate. I agree to disagree.
Taylor, Cullen, Pratley, Steer, Bielik and Ward came in so 6, when Lee was promised 4 or perhaps 5. He also got to keep last years loanees Grant & Vetokele, so ended up with 8. It's fully understandable why Bowyer is saying what he's saying. I agree to disagree.
So it was Lee's preferred method to not sign anyone permanently, and to build a squad made up of loanees? Do me a favour
Hmm, Lee never said that did he ? Sorry, but you made that up.
"Whenever I asked for players, he's backed us"
I don't believe the above to be true. Unless Bowyer was happy to wait right until the end of the loan window before bringing bodies in, but I just don't see that as ever being the case.
Yes, but you did not add that he also said we now have a League 1 budget. So he got the players he wanted within the budget. He also said (elsewhere) that he had to wait until the end of the loan window to get in the players he wanted, rather than take inferior players earlier in the window.
“Okay, the budget is smaller than everybody else’s in the past but he has said it is a League One budget now. We’ve had to accept that.
We'll agree to disagree. I seem to remember Bowyer promising 3 players would be coming in when the actual transfer window was open, we got 1 in Lyle Taylor. Now if he was including Cullen, Bielik and Ward in that count then fair enough, but I think the vast majority of us assumed he was referring to permanent deals.
I'm very happy with the players we've brought in, as is Bowyer himself, but the entire statement to me seems to contradict itself. "Whenever I asked for players, he's backed us" isn't technically true, unless of course Bowyer only ever wanted to make do with a shoestring budget.
If you know your budget (he did). He would be a fool to ask for players unattainable within that budget. He was promised if 8 or 9 were let go (I think including loans), he could get in the 4 he wanted. He got his main targets, as he was promised. Then RD let him have a bonus extra of at least one more ie Ward. RD delivered more than he promised. I could come up with hundreds of reasons to slag off RD, but I will always try to tell the truth and be accurate. I agree to disagree.
Bowyer said he was promised 4 or 5. We got the 6th once JFC was ruled out for the season.
Not really delivering more than was promised, more a change of circumstances meant it was necessary.
Not sure you can count keeping 2 of your own players as 2 more in either, but I get your point.
I think to be fair to Bowyer, we have to look at the 1st team pool of players available as manager at the end of last season. He didn't have Vetokele, Grant or Billy Clarke available - that really is like making 3 new signings to him.
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Karl Robinson, and before him Russel Slade, certainly Katrien all had to publicly demonstrate deference to Roland, and club communications demanded positive comments.
How sincere and credible such regard is can be measured by, for example, the nature of Roland lover Karl Robinson's departure.
I agree with @Davo55 above. The football side together with the fans can escape into the nature of the sport, we don't benefit from Lee Bowyer reminding us about the nature of the club under this owner.
He might be asked these relationship questions obviously, the best way to answer is probably ask journalists to 'be patient' in their desire to know.
If Scunthorpe can offer more towards Cullen then Roland's like the Aussies, hasn't got the money or won't pay it.
Two TOTALLY different personalities, not even remotely similar.
I don't believe the above to be true. Unless Bowyer was happy to wait right until the end of the loan window before bringing bodies in, but I just don't see that as ever being the case.
So he got the players he wanted within the budget.
He also said (elsewhere) that he had to wait until the end of the loan window to get in the players he wanted, rather than take inferior players earlier in the window.
“Okay, the budget is smaller than everybody else’s in the past but he has said it is a League One budget now. We’ve had to accept that.
Bowyer needs to keep the barely existent lines of communication with the owner open if he is going to be able to do his job and the club is not to be further torn apart. If it means having to repeat spin from RD we should be able to live with that and see it for what it is.
Must be like being caught up in a journey with a drunk at the wheel and you are trying to save the car from being driven over a cliff.
In the real world you don't slag off your boss if you want to keep your job.(I'm speaking from personal experience)
Unless everyone on Charlton life is self employed I find the comments naive.
Bowyer may have a soft spot for Charlton but he is not a fan. He is paid to coach and pick the team and so far is doing a good job with JJ.
Long may it last so that the new owner keeps both Bow and JJ in their jobs.
Sorry, but why on earth do you assume Bowyer will quit if we don't get automatic promotion ?
You're making it up as well.
Roland's style of running a club doesn't work for us or football as a whole, but if you're a young employee with ambition then you can end up being elevated very high very quickly in what ultimately is a huge show of faith from your boss. We shouldn't expect Bowyer to be upset about that aspect when he's a beneficiary of it.
I bet our bench on Saturday earns more than the Wycombe starting 11. I would imagine we have the 3rd or 4th highest wage bill in the division.
I would imagine our 3 center halves earn as much as anyone, who doesn't play for Sunderland, in this division.
I have said previously that this is ALL Roland and his lackeys fault. It's not necessary to make up reasons to slag him off when there are many factual ones to use.
I'm very happy with the players we've brought in, as is Bowyer himself, but the entire statement to me seems to contradict itself. "Whenever I asked for players, he's backed us" isn't technically true, unless of course Bowyer only ever wanted to make do with a shoestring budget.
He was promised if 8 or 9 were let go (I think including loans), he could get in the 4 he wanted.
He got his main targets, as he was promised. Then RD let him have a bonus extra of at least one more ie Ward.
RD delivered more than he promised.
I could come up with hundreds of reasons to slag off RD, but I will always try to tell the truth and be accurate.
I agree to disagree.
He also got to keep last years loanees Grant & Vetokele, so ended up with 8.
It's fully understandable why Bowyer is saying what he's saying.
I agree to disagree.
Not really delivering more than was promised, more a change of circumstances meant it was necessary.
He didn't have Vetokele, Grant or Billy Clarke available - that really is like making 3 new signings to him.
No.
This thread was created because Bowyer delivered a true Robinson esque comment and has a few times now.
Different gravy mate.
Jesus fucking Christ give me strength!