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Crossrail delayed until autumn 2019
killerandflash
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BREAKING NEWS: Crossrail will miss its December 2018 opening date and services will not start on the central section until autumn 2019.
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Not just a few weeks... bloody hell. How disappointing.
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Will it affect house prices?7
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Not surprised. When does anything ever run to schedule in this country
I think it will be great once it’s in place, but can we ever get anything done and ready on time?1 -
So what will happen first
1) The new Spurs ground opening
2) Crossrail opening
3) Roland selling Charlton?26 -
Well colour me gobsmacked. On time and on budget, yeah right, ever since its inception in 1971....
This excellent website foresaw this months ago.
I mean this shit happens, even in my beloved Germany, but banging on about on time and on budget, when they knew it's not, is just asking for it.2 -
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I blame Southeastern. It's a plan to make you all sign up for your annual season tickets in January. Every night over the past few weeks, staff have being going out in the dead of night, nicking the odd piece of metal, or cable and now it's final worked!5
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Very disappointing. I live in West Thamesmead so was really looking forward to having this nearby in Woolwich by the end of this year.
They are actually blaming Spurs for taking all of the electricians to help on their new stadium!3 -
Is Daniel Levy Chief Project Manager?1
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Woolwich Station is supposedly one of the worst in terms of being behind0
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Wasn't this originally meant to be ready for the Olympics?! I think the tunnelling was completed over a year ago which makes this pretty disappointing.
I think the new London Bridge was part of Thameslink 2000!0 -
So is this project no longer on track?3
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It's now very Crossrail0
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am i right in saying crossrail was on time and on budget before sadiq was mayor?
TFL have already got a massive hole in their budget, this is going to make it even wider.3 -
But the mayor has been busy solving other issues like crime, immigration, racism ....er hold on.6
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Oh do fuck off15
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Theres a few people on here I'd expect to make a comment like that but you were not one of them.kentaddick said:am i right in saying crossrail was on time and on budget before sadiq was mayor?
TFL have already got a massive hole in their budget, this is going to make it even wider.
If you delve into that website I mention above you will find out the reasons for the delays. All about professional incompetence and the usual arse-covering that stems from it.
This is a DoT project, dating back to before the time London had a mayor. Honestly it goes back to the 1970's. In that time Paris has built four of these things. They are the RER lines and they were built so long ago that they now look a bit shabby.
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I'm not that arsed about the delay, ok it's not great, but the first 2 years of the rushed to open Jubilee line was a fucking horror show, rather they got it right and opened, then being stuck in a tunnel somewhere between Canary Wharf and Whitechapel on a regular basis.2
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Of course it's not Sadiq's fault, but it's bad news which he could have done without, especially as it's not mainly a TfL managed project.PragueAddick said:
Theres a few people on here I'd expect to make a comment like that but you were not one of them.kentaddick said:am i right in saying crossrail was on time and on budget before sadiq was mayor?
TFL have already got a massive hole in their budget, this is going to make it even wider.
If you delve into that website I mention above you will find out the reasons for the delays. All about professional incompetence and the usual arse-covering that stems from it.
This is a DoT project, dating back to before the time London had a mayor. Honestly it goes back to the 1970's. In that time Paris has built four of these things. They are the RER lines and they were built so long ago that they now look a bit shabby.
In the same way that prison riots aren't the fault of the Secretary of State, but affect that politician's reputation, bad news sticks1 -
I'm sure Carter can give you chapter and verse on exactly why big construction projects are delayed - but it boils down to this:
There are very few companies that can deliver a tender that size
None of them want to do it because they make fuck all money on it - they make their money on easy to deliver projects with a bigger markup and margin
The one that 'wins' the bid only does so as a loss-leader (flagship projects look good for a company)
The 'winning' company will put a realistic programme together to deliver the project on time and to budget
The client will throw their hands up in horror and say it needs to be half the cost and take half as long
The 'winning' company will tell their programme manager to change it. They will tell them it's not possible to deliver the project on that timescale, then change it anyway because they don't have a choice, and the company will build in a slush fund to pay off the inevitable fines that will come with late delivery
Lo and behold, the project is delivered 'late', the slush fund gets drained and the end customer (in this case, the public) gets reamed
Source: my current partner is a programme manager for a steel fab/erection company9 - Sponsored links:
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Where will the Woolwich station be ? Is it in The Arsenal ?Rothko said:Woolwich Station is supposedly one of the worst in terms of being behind
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Yes,opposite the covered market.Covered End said:
Where will the Woolwich station be ? Is it in The Arsenal ?Rothko said:Woolwich Station is supposedly one of the worst in terms of being behind
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How much does one of those cost?Leroy Ambrose said:I'm sure Carter can give you chapter and verse on exactly why big construction projects are delayed - but it boils down to this:
There are very few companies that can deliver a tender that size
None of them want to do it because they make fuck all money on it - they make their money on easy to deliver projects with a bigger markup and margin
The one that 'wins' the bid only does so as a loss-leader (flagship projects look good for a company)
The 'winning' company will put a realistic programme together to deliver the project on time and to budget
The client will throw their hands up in horror and say it needs to be half the cost and take half as long
The 'winning' company will tell their programme manager to change it. They will tell them it's not possible to deliver the project on that timescale, then change it anyway because they don't have a choice, and the company will build in a slush fund to pay off the inevitable fines that will come with late delivery
Lo and behold, the project is delivered 'late', the slush fund gets drained and the end customer (in this case, the public) gets reamed
Source: my current partner is a programme manager for a steel fab/erection company16 -
Why have they left it so late to announce it? 9 months is a big delay, and the opening was due in 3/4 months from now. Surely they knew this wasn’t going to open on time at least 6-12 months ago with a big delay like that.3
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Well if citizens can't be arsed to find out who is responsible for what, but just blame the nearest politician of the wrong tribe, then they get the politicians they deserve.killerandflash said:
Of course it's not Sadiq's fault, but it's bad news which he could have done without, especially as it's not mainly a TfL managed project.PragueAddick said:
Theres a few people on here I'd expect to make a comment like that but you were not one of them.kentaddick said:am i right in saying crossrail was on time and on budget before sadiq was mayor?
TFL have already got a massive hole in their budget, this is going to make it even wider.
If you delve into that website I mention above you will find out the reasons for the delays. All about professional incompetence and the usual arse-covering that stems from it.
This is a DoT project, dating back to before the time London had a mayor. Honestly it goes back to the 1970's. In that time Paris has built four of these things. They are the RER lines and they were built so long ago that they now look a bit shabby.
In the same way that prison riots aren't the fault of the Secretary of State, but affect that politician's reputation, bad news sticks
Charlton were in the Championship before Sadiq Khan got voted in. I'm surprised some people on here haven't tried to pin that on him too.
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I had a fab erection many years ago.2
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Was that Sadiq Khan's fault too?Addickted said:I had a fab erection many years ago.
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Well aware of that.PragueAddick said:
Charlton were in the Championship before Sadiq Khan got voted in. I'm surprised some people on here haven't tried to pin that on him too.killerandflash said:
Of course it's not Sadiq's fault, but it's bad news which he could have done without, especially as it's not mainly a TfL managed project.PragueAddick said:
Theres a few people on here I'd expect to make a comment like that but you were not one of them.kentaddick said:am i right in saying crossrail was on time and on budget before sadiq was mayor?
TFL have already got a massive hole in their budget, this is going to make it even wider.
If you delve into that website I mention above you will find out the reasons for the delays. All about professional incompetence and the usual arse-covering that stems from it.
This is a DoT project, dating back to before the time London had a mayor. Honestly it goes back to the 1970's. In that time Paris has built four of these things. They are the RER lines and they were built so long ago that they now look a bit shabby.
In the same way that prison riots aren't the fault of the Secretary of State, but affect that politician's reputation, bad news sticks
ROT will be running against him in 2020
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True, but then I'm sure Sadiq would have been glorying in the positive publicity from the Crossrail launch in December, even though that's nothing to do with him. As Boris did with projects launched when Ken was mayor etc, it's the nature of politicsPragueAddick said:
Well if citizens can't be arsed to find out who is responsible for what, but just blame the nearest politician of the wrong tribe, then they get the politicians they deserve.killerandflash said:
Of course it's not Sadiq's fault, but it's bad news which he could have done without, especially as it's not mainly a TfL managed project.PragueAddick said:
Theres a few people on here I'd expect to make a comment like that but you were not one of them.kentaddick said:am i right in saying crossrail was on time and on budget before sadiq was mayor?
TFL have already got a massive hole in their budget, this is going to make it even wider.
If you delve into that website I mention above you will find out the reasons for the delays. All about professional incompetence and the usual arse-covering that stems from it.
This is a DoT project, dating back to before the time London had a mayor. Honestly it goes back to the 1970's. In that time Paris has built four of these things. They are the RER lines and they were built so long ago that they now look a bit shabby.
In the same way that prison riots aren't the fault of the Secretary of State, but affect that politician's reputation, bad news sticks
Charlton were in the Championship before Sadiq Khan got voted in. I'm surprised some people on here haven't tried to pin that on him too.2 -
then as ROT member no. 8, I'm here to tell you that the Labour and Tory internal divisions will be nothing compared to ROT's :-)Addickted said:
Well aware of that.PragueAddick said:
Charlton were in the Championship before Sadiq Khan got voted in. I'm surprised some people on here haven't tried to pin that on him too.killerandflash said:
Of course it's not Sadiq's fault, but it's bad news which he could have done without, especially as it's not mainly a TfL managed project.PragueAddick said:
Theres a few people on here I'd expect to make a comment like that but you were not one of them.kentaddick said:am i right in saying crossrail was on time and on budget before sadiq was mayor?
TFL have already got a massive hole in their budget, this is going to make it even wider.
If you delve into that website I mention above you will find out the reasons for the delays. All about professional incompetence and the usual arse-covering that stems from it.
This is a DoT project, dating back to before the time London had a mayor. Honestly it goes back to the 1970's. In that time Paris has built four of these things. They are the RER lines and they were built so long ago that they now look a bit shabby.
In the same way that prison riots aren't the fault of the Secretary of State, but affect that politician's reputation, bad news sticks
ROT will be running against him in 2020
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