"Pilfered" Artifacts
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Totally agree that where artefacts have been effectively taken that they should be returned. Happened mostly I suppose in Victorian times but we should now be looking to return items like The Elgin Marbles to Greece.limeygent said:I was reading an article this morning about the British museum, and how the beard of "The Sphinx" has just been sitting, unseen, in the basement there for years. The museum also holds the "Parthenon Marbles", and many other artifacts that the original "owners" have requested to be returned. It seems to me that the best place for these precious and priceless objects is back where they came from, in this day and age when we can enjoy these things from afar, and don't need to go to a museum to see them. Wondered if this might ever happen, and how others feel about this issue.
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Agreed.
Give us our colony back,9 -
it's only fragments of the beard in the british museum and there are some in egypt too. and it's not even original, it was retrofitted0
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Keep them for now and then sell them back to their rightful owners once the economy has collapsed after Brexit, will keep us going for a while.5
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I guess if everything were given back The British Museum would be half-empty.4
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Copies of original that no ordinary visitor could distinguish from the real thing could be exhibited while the genuine items were returned to where they belong.2
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No, finders keepers.
Besides people come from all over the world to view what was once their. We will need this tourism to increase somewhat to supplement the tax coffers once we’ve walked away from our main market place.0 -
It wasn't finders keepers though was it.
It was invaders stealers.
It is a conundrum that will take ages to resolve. I think there's no reason not to return the stuff really.4 - Sponsored links:
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We stole them fair and square16
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The UK isn't the only country that has "acquired" important and historical artefacts from overseas. The French, Spanish and Portuguese have all taken "ownership" of precious items of significance. In many cases, the possessions are not looked after and suffer serious decline.
The worst case, of course, is the dreadful condition into which one foreign "possession" has fallen whilst in the care of a Belgian arsehole.13 -
Who wants to look at copies?ShootersHillGuru said:Copies of original that no ordinary visitor could distinguish from the real thing could be exhibited while the genuine items were returned to where they belong.
Should Australlia and the Americas be returned to the indigenous people too?0 -
I'm still waiting for the Danegeld to be returned.4
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During the late 70's and 80's I used to buy a fair few military medals with my pocket money, mainly on a market on London Bridge station on my way to the Valley, I was also given dozens of medals, trench maps, diaries and general militaria by veterans whose 'familes didnt care' or families when the vets died who 'didnt want it cluttering their lofts'. These days I take 100s of people each year to the battlefields who dont know what happened to medals etc but would do anything to get them back. I have twice now reunited items with the family where they belong (free I should add).
I guess what I am trying to say is that whilst the Elgin Marbles do belong in Egypt we should be clear that the British Museum have done as much to preserve them as theybdid pilfer...there were centuries in between where the country of their origin couldnt give a shit.5 -
The archaeopteryx on display at The Natural History Museum is a cast that to the eye is indistinguishable from the original in Berlin. The large Skeleton that welcomes you to the Natural History Museum and attracts so much attention is a cast of the original. I could go on.PopIcon said:
Who wants to look at copies?ShootersHillGuru said:Copies of original that no ordinary visitor could distinguish from the real thing could be exhibited while the genuine items were returned to where they belong.
Should Australlia and the Americas be returned to the indigenous people too?
I agree the original is better but the original should be kept in the place it originated from unless exceptional circumstances prevent that.
We are talking about artefacts not countries.
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The biggest theft in my lifetime is Charlton being stolen by a Belgium fuckwit.
Return it now you piece of shite.1 -
On a serious note another Belgium arsehole, ( Leopold II I think),had possession of the Congo. He screwed over a huge chunk of Africa, we might of gotten off lightly in comparison.Chizz said:The UK isn't the only country that has "acquired" important and historical artefacts from overseas. The French, Spanish and Portuguese have all taken "ownership" of precious items of significance. In many cases, the possessions are not looked after and suffer serious decline.
The worst case, of course, is the dreadful condition into which one foreign "possession" has fallen whilst in the care of a Belgian arsehole.
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But, TBF, it was their slaves that built these things and kidnapping people from foreign lands and paying people to whip em every now and then probably cost them a lot of gold which they had to go to the trouble of invading, killing and stealing from other lands so perhaps they may have a valid claim for having them back from us, or not...nth london addick said:We stole them fair and square
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The bars, restaurants and streets of Kigali and Gisenyi were packed with people cheering Belgium in in the World Cup. SE7 hasn't quite taken to its Belgian overlords in the same way.charltonkeston said:
On a serious note another Belgium arsehole, ( Leopold II I think),had possession of the Congo. He screwed over a huge chunk of Africa, we might of gotten off lightly in comparison.Chizz said:The UK isn't the only country that has "acquired" important and historical artefacts from overseas. The French, Spanish and Portuguese have all taken "ownership" of precious items of significance. In many cases, the possessions are not looked after and suffer serious decline.
The worst case, of course, is the dreadful condition into which one foreign "possession" has fallen whilst in the care of a Belgian arsehole.1 - Sponsored links:
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We’re just a nation of thieves really.1
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To be fair, we've had some brilliant thieves whose love of exploration, challenge, thirst for knowledge, bravery, along with a bit of plunder on the way, has answered many of life's questions.4
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The museum will not be returning this artefact1 -
Or these
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Think The British Museum are of the opinion that giving up some item or items would open up the flood gates.1
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We should return nothing if they want it come and nick it back0
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The only reason to not return it is if they will trash it. Probably wouldn’t be sending artefacts back to Syria right now for instance.iainment said:It wasn't finders keepers though was it.
It was invaders stealers.
It is a conundrum that will take ages to resolve. I think there's no reason not to return the stuff really.4 -
The British Museum has preserved much that would otherwise have perished, and they have the knowledge, skills and capability to maintain them, in a venue that the whole world can access..2
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Whilst I agree the Elgin marbles should be returned, they were not stolen. That's just a lazy myth that suits certain persons arguments. We were allowed to purchase them, for a vast sum, from the Ottoman Empire who were the rulers at that time as a thank you for us helping them fight off Napoleon's invasion.0
