FFS offer Lyle a bit more and get him signed up he is our main hope of keeping in championship,if these new owners mean business lyle along with the manager and staff should of been signed up by now,this was a priority for me,Im disappointed this hasnt happened
I don’t think we can operate like that In the current situation. If we offer Taylor a bit more and he turns that down, do we offer him a bit more again? Matt Southall spoke about sustainability. Not sure it’s prudent to keep making players offers when we know he has turned down a good offer already - the maximum we want to go to.
In the grand scheme of things, we are currently a struggling Championship side with crowds of circa 17k. We could quite easily go down and have a 30 year old striker on 18k+ a week on our hands. Sunderland did that and look where they are now. It’s taken them a couple of years to clear out players on mega contracts - this is a team that get gates of 40k.
Taylor is doing what he should be doing - trying to get as much money as he can at the back end of his career. Say we did give him what he wanted - then what? - Players knocking at the door asking for more money. The owners can’t be seen to be rolling over and having there belly tickled.
I want Taylor to stay - he’s our main goal scorer and talisman....So were Hales, Bent, Mendonca, Hunt, Kermorgant etc, etc. They moved on and we moved on. Taylor will move on and somebody else will come in and be the main man.
The offer made to Taylor is off the table now and I actually quite like the fact that Southall had the balls to withdraw the offer and not be held to ransom.
fair points made but think offer should at least stay on table until replaced by our new main man,in my opinion we wont be able to replace him,a player like Lyle was a long time coming and I will be gutted to see him go and I expect LB will be as well
FFS offer Lyle a bit more and get him signed up he is our main hope of keeping in championship,if these new owners mean business lyle along with the manager and staff should of been signed up by now,this was a priority for me,Im disappointed this hasnt happened
I don’t think we can operate like that In the current situation. If we offer Taylor a bit more and he turns that down, do we offer him a bit more again? Matt Southall spoke about sustainability. Not sure it’s prudent to keep making players offers when we know he has turned down a good offer already - the maximum we want to go to.
In the grand scheme of things, we are currently a struggling Championship side with crowds of circa 17k. We could quite easily go down and have a 30 year old striker on 18k+ a week on our hands. Sunderland did that and look where they are now. It’s taken them a couple of years to clear out players on mega contracts - this is a team that get gates of 40k.
Taylor is doing what he should be doing - trying to get as much money as he can at the back end of his career. Say we did give him what he wanted - then what? - Players knocking at the door asking for more money. The owners can’t be seen to be rolling over and having there belly tickled.
I want Taylor to stay - he’s our main goal scorer and talisman....So were Hales, Bent, Mendonca, Hunt, Kermorgant etc, etc. They moved on and we moved on. Taylor will move on and somebody else will come in and be the main man.
The offer made to Taylor is off the table now and I actually quite like the fact that Southall had the balls to withdraw the offer and not be held to ransom.
fair points made but think offer should at least stay on table until replaced by our new main man,in my opinion we wont be able to replace him,a player like Lyle was a long time coming and I will be gutted to see him go and I expect LB will be as well
Totally get where you are coming from. Will certainly be a thought one to replace - always is when a team loses such an important player . But I am pretty sure the the board, Bowyer and Gallen will have identified a shortlist of replacements. They wouldn’t have withdrawn that offer lightly - just have to trust them....they know what they are doing. We just have to hope that replacement hits the ground running.
I have seen Rangers mentioned loads on here but that would be a strange one for me. They have morelos who is an absolute goal machine 28 in 35 this year in all competitions. Lyle is nowhere near his level. I can't see much of a market for him at present.
Couldn't disagree more. Not been impressed whenever I've watched Morelos and despite his goals, he sometimes looks like a liability. I have no doubt that Lyle would score bundles if leading the Rangers front line (not that I'd like him to leave).
Tend to agree, admittedly I've not seen much of Morelos but whenever I have I've not been massively impressed. Taylor would get between 20-30 in the SPL + a good number of assists like he did for us last year.
He got 20ish in league 1 last year no way he gets 30 in SPL. How good was our midfield last year.
You're absolutely right, with our midfield in the SPL too he'd have got 50.
Nice one. Scottish football is not that bad. League 1 is awful and Taylor not proven above it. Didnt exactlt set Scotland on fire previously did he.
I don’t think we need to argue with each other over whether or not Lyle is a good player - we know he is and shortly he will be for someone else. It is what it is, he wants to leave for more money than we can afford which is a shame as he’s a great player. I think we all wanted big, outlandish levels of money spent on our club but sadly it seems we may have simply levelled the playing field a bit. I’d much rather we signed up bowyer than Lyle if it was a choice.
I have seen Rangers mentioned loads on here but that would be a strange one for me. They have morelos who is an absolute goal machine 28 in 35 this year in all competitions. Lyle is nowhere near his level. I can't see much of a market for him at present.
Couldn't disagree more. Not been impressed whenever I've watched Morelos and despite his goals, he sometimes looks like a liability. I have no doubt that Lyle would score bundles if leading the Rangers front line (not that I'd like him to leave).
Tend to agree, admittedly I've not seen much of Morelos but whenever I have I've not been massively impressed. Taylor would get between 20-30 in the SPL + a good number of assists like he did for us last year.
He got 20ish in league 1 last year no way he gets 30 in SPL. How good was our midfield last year.
You're absolutely right, with our midfield in the SPL too he'd have got 50.
Nice one. Scottish football is not that bad. League 1 is awful and Taylor not proven above it. Didnt exactlt set Scotland on fire previously did he.
nope but he's found his way as a striker and I would expect him to at least match last season in that league.
FFS offer Lyle a bit more and get him signed up he is our main hope of keeping in championship,if these new owners mean business lyle along with the manager and staff should of been signed up by now,this was a priority for me,Im disappointed this hasnt happened
I don’t think we can operate like that In the current situation. If we offer Taylor a bit more and he turns that down, do we offer him a bit more again? Matt Southall spoke about sustainability. Not sure it’s prudent to keep making players offers when we know he has turned down a good offer already - the maximum we want to go to.
In the grand scheme of things, we are currently a struggling Championship side with crowds of circa 17k. We could quite easily go down and have a 30 year old striker on 18k+ a week on our hands. Sunderland did that and look where they are now. It’s taken them a couple of years to clear out players on mega contracts - this is a team that get gates of 40k.
Taylor is doing what he should be doing - trying to get as much money as he can at the back end of his career. Say we did give him what he wanted - then what? - Players knocking at the door asking for more money. The owners can’t be seen to be rolling over and having there belly tickled.
I want Taylor to stay - he’s our main goal scorer and talisman....So were Hales, Bent, Mendonca, Hunt, Kermorgant etc, etc. They moved on and we moved on. Taylor will move on and somebody else will come in and be the main man.
The offer made to Taylor is off the table now and I actually quite like the fact that Southall had the balls to withdraw the offer and not be held to ransom.
fair points made but think offer should at least stay on table until replaced by our new main man
You also have to take into consideration that our new chairman is a former football agent and he could be playing the game
FFS offer Lyle a bit more and get him signed up he is our main hope of keeping in championship,if these new owners mean business lyle along with the manager and staff should of been signed up by now,this was a priority for me,Im disappointed this hasnt happened
I don’t think we can operate like that In the current situation. If we offer Taylor a bit more and he turns that down, do we offer him a bit more again? Matt Southall spoke about sustainability. Not sure it’s prudent to keep making players offers when we know he has turned down a good offer already - the maximum we want to go to.
In the grand scheme of things, we are currently a struggling Championship side with crowds of circa 17k. We could quite easily go down and have a 30 year old striker on 18k+ a week on our hands. Sunderland did that and look where they are now. It’s taken them a couple of years to clear out players on mega contracts - this is a team that get gates of 40k.
Taylor is doing what he should be doing - trying to get as much money as he can at the back end of his career. Say we did give him what he wanted - then what? - Players knocking at the door asking for more money. The owners can’t be seen to be rolling over and having there belly tickled.
I want Taylor to stay - he’s our main goal scorer and talisman....So were Hales, Bent, Mendonca, Hunt, Kermorgant etc, etc. They moved on and we moved on. Taylor will move on and somebody else will come in and be the main man.
The offer made to Taylor is off the table now and I actually quite like the fact that Southall had the balls to withdraw the offer and not be held to ransom.
fair points made but think offer should at least stay on table until replaced by our new main man
You also have to take into consideration that our new chairman is a former football agent and he could be playing the game
If a premier club is interested it will be out of our range whatever as he will want to have played at the highest level, we will know that and so Can afford to look like we are playing hardball and take the offer from the table. Any club with a fear of going down would be interested in signing a player that could get them back up next season. How much they are prepared to pay for that is a different matter. As a former agent he will know the game inside out. He has not been transferred listed which to me means we want a decent fee. What would be interesting is if clubs are not willing to pay that fee.
Another player wanted to sign for us on loan for a small wage but we offered lower. Hes now going league 1. From what i'm hearing we are not spending money. Hope i'm wrong but doubt it.
That's the most alarming post I've seen on here for some time. I'm in the unusual position of hoping that RH is wrong.
Maybe it's a player that wasn't really first choice especially if they've just gone to league one
I have seen Rangers mentioned loads on here but that would be a strange one for me. They have morelos who is an absolute goal machine 28 in 35 this year in all competitions. Lyle is nowhere near his level. I can't see much of a market for him at present.
Couldn't disagree more. Not been impressed whenever I've watched Morelos and despite his goals, he sometimes looks like a liability. I have no doubt that Lyle would score bundles if leading the Rangers front line (not that I'd like him to leave).
Tend to agree, admittedly I've not seen much of Morelos but whenever I have I've not been massively impressed. Taylor would get between 20-30 in the SPL + a good number of assists like he did for us last year.
'Preston North End have signed Celtic winger Scott Sinclair.' Would be amusing if Lyle replaced him at Celtic.
FFS offer Lyle a bit more and get him signed up he is our main hope of keeping in championship,if these new owners mean business lyle along with the manager and staff should of been signed up by now,this was a priority for me,Im disappointed this hasnt happened
I don’t think we can operate like that In the current situation. If we offer Taylor a bit more and he turns that down, do we offer him a bit more again? Matt Southall spoke about sustainability. Not sure it’s prudent to keep making players offers when we know he has turned down a good offer already - the maximum we want to go to.
In the grand scheme of things, we are currently a struggling Championship side with crowds of circa 17k. We could quite easily go down and have a 30 year old striker on 18k+ a week on our hands. Sunderland did that and look where they are now. It’s taken them a couple of years to clear out players on mega contracts - this is a team that get gates of 40k.
Taylor is doing what he should be doing - trying to get as much money as he can at the back end of his career. Say we did give him what he wanted - then what? - Players knocking at the door asking for more money. The owners can’t be seen to be rolling over and having there belly tickled.
I want Taylor to stay - he’s our main goal scorer and talisman....So were Hales, Bent, Mendonca, Hunt, Kermorgant etc, etc. They moved on and we moved on. Taylor will move on and somebody else will come in and be the main man.
The offer made to Taylor is off the table now and I actually quite like the fact that Southall had the balls to withdraw the offer and not be held to ransom.
fair points made but think offer should at least stay on table until replaced by our new main man,in my opinion we wont be able to replace him,a player like Lyle was a long time coming and I will be gutted to see him go and I expect LB will be as well
Totally get where you are coming from. Will certainly be a thought one to replace - always is when a team loses such an important player . But I am pretty sure the the board, Bowyer and Gallen will have identified a shortlist of replacements. They wouldn’t have withdrawn that offer lightly - just have to trust them....they know what they are doing. We just have to hope that replacement hits the ground running.
The final line is the problem Dicky. If a replacement doesn't then people will say we'd have been better off giving him the wedge.
Don’t believe this is done yet. If the right offer comes in, he’ll be allowed to leave but my gut says the club will now hold out for a good offer, it won’t be a case of sell him regardless just to guarantee he doesn’t leave for nothing in the summer. If he’s still here in February then I think negotiations on a contract will reopen. I think it’d be foolish to burn that bridge because he’s a bloody good player and won’t be easy at all to replace. It also wouldn’t be the first time a player has agitated for a move, not got the right offer, and subsequently signed a new deal rather than move on.
If we do have a genuine shot at someone like Toney then maybe that will change, but I don’t see us splashing that kind of money around in January as it’s a tough time to get value for money.
I have seen Rangers mentioned loads on here but that would be a strange one for me. They have morelos who is an absolute goal machine 28 in 35 this year in all competitions. Lyle is nowhere near his level. I can't see much of a market for him at present.
Couldn't disagree more. Not been impressed whenever I've watched Morelos and despite his goals, he sometimes looks like a liability. I have no doubt that Lyle would score bundles if leading the Rangers front line (not that I'd like him to leave).
Tend to agree, admittedly I've not seen much of Morelos but whenever I have I've not been massively impressed. Taylor would get between 20-30 in the SPL + a good number of assists like he did for us last year.
'Preston North End have signed Celtic winger Scott Sinclair.' Would be amusing if Lyle replaced him at Celtic.
Think he has been on the bench .most games,don't think Lyle would fancy taking that seat
Who would seriously buy him now if he's a few months away from being a free agent?
He's nearly 30 and has a possible niggly injury. He'd be better off not signing a new contract with us. Get his head down. Put in some impressive performances and watch the big money offers roll in over the summer.
Who would seriously buy him now if he's a few months away from being a free agent?
He's nearly 30 and has a possible niggly injury. He'd be better off not signing a new contract with us. Get his head down. Put in some impressive performances and watch the big money offers roll in over the summer.
Who would seriously buy him now if he's a few months away from being a free agent?
He's nearly 30 and has a possible niggly injury. He'd be better off not signing a new contract with us. Get his head down. Put in some impressive performances and watch the big money offers roll in over the summer.
Pressures on him no doubt.
Also a risk if a good offer is on the table now. I do understand where you are coming from, but if he can get 20k a week and a decent signing on fee now, why risk a better offer in the summer?
I have seen Rangers mentioned loads on here but that would be a strange one for me. They have morelos who is an absolute goal machine 28 in 35 this year in all competitions. Lyle is nowhere near his level. I can't see much of a market for him at present.
Rumoured to be off to the prem
Whoever buys him will have to accept that they will be paying for him to spend some time in the stands - in 126 appearances he has been booked 39 times and sent off on 7 other occasions.
Against the only other decent side in Scotland, Celtic, he has failed to score a single goal in 11 appearances but has been booked on 4 occasions and sent off twice.
Who would seriously buy him now if he's a few months away from being a free agent?
He's nearly 30 and has a possible niggly injury. He'd be better off not signing a new contract with us. Get his head down. Put in some impressive performances and watch the big money offers roll in over the summer.
Pressures on him no doubt.
Also a risk if a good offer is on the table now. I do understand where you are coming from, but if he can get 20k a week and a decent signing on fee now, why risk a better offer in the summer?
Problem for him is. We hold his cards at the moment.
It is what it is. I appreciate what he's done for us and his goals will be hard to replace, but we'll find a decent replacement. That's the first thing Southall did was tell Lee to buy a striker.
The fans will find a new favorite. Mine continues to be Jonny Williams, the man who took a pay cut to stay with us. While I dont blame Lyle for looking for more money, it is still refreshing to have the likes of Williams and Solly in the team who have a bit of loyalty to Charlton
Seen it suggested a few times that Jonny Williams “took a paycut” to stay with us.
That isn’t strictly true.
Yes, he is earning less money than he was on for his previous contract. But he didn’t ‘choose’ us over an alternative option that would have given him more money. He took time in the Summer to evaluate his options and see what he could get - and no club was going to offer him the money that he was on previously, and hence he re-signed with us.
Very different to ‘taking a pay cut to be with Charlton’
I was told different on Williams. Technically no formal offer was made but a club got in contact regarding a deal. It involved a pay as you play bonus but the information I received was that if he played 30 games he would have doubled his annual salary with us.
isn't the reality that unless we change our wage structure to the bonkers top level of the championship and above (and I'm not saying we should) we are going to continually get this issue? Players who prove their worth at this level have a queue of 6 or 7 clubs ready to pick them up on much better deals
The other thing that occurs to me is the possible reason behind the ESI purchase. Perhaps they saw the value in the quality of our backroom staff and the solid infrastructure and want to carry on getting the amazing value our team are delivering, with a bit of tweaking Bowyer could be flying in this league, maybe that is the big gamble and if you think about it fairly low risk relative to splurging tens of millions and being caught in the same trap as so many other big spending clubs. It is puzzling though that the backroom team haven't been signed up, but as mentioned that may be Bowyer's insistence and there may still be a commitment there.
I have seen Rangers mentioned loads on here but that would be a strange one for me. They have morelos who is an absolute goal machine 28 in 35 this year in all competitions. Lyle is nowhere near his level. I can't see much of a market for him at present.
Rumoured to be off to the prem
Whoever buys him will have to accept that they will be paying for him to spend some time in the stands - in 126 appearances he has been booked 39 times and sent off on 7 other occasions.
Against the only other decent side in Scotland, Celtic, he has failed to score a single goal in 11 appearances but has been booked on 4 occasions and sent off twice.
But who was he playing for when up against Celtic? Teams who can barely get out of their own half. No wonder he got frustrated and picked up yellow and red cards.
Who would seriously buy him now if he's a few months away from being a free agent?
He's nearly 30 and has a possible niggly injury. He'd be better off not signing a new contract with us. Get his head down. Put in some impressive performances and watch the big money offers roll in over the summer.
Pressures on him no doubt.
Also a risk if a good offer is on the table now. I do understand where you are coming from, but if he can get 20k a week and a decent signing on fee now, why risk a better offer in the summer?
Problem for him is. We hold his cards at the moment.
That's debatable. If it's clear he wants to go than the club are going to be massively tempted to cash in now.
Who would seriously buy him now if he's a few months away from being a free agent?
He's nearly 30 and has a possible niggly injury. He'd be better off not signing a new contract with us. Get his head down. Put in some impressive performances and watch the big money offers roll in over the summer.
Pressures on him no doubt.
Also a risk if a good offer is on the table now. I do understand where you are coming from, but if he can get 20k a week and a decent signing on fee now, why risk a better offer in the summer?
Problem for him is. We hold his cards at the moment.
That's debatable. If it's clear he wants to go than the club are going to be massively tempted to cash in now.
Would have to be a big offer I would think.
As I say he's a few months away. I really don't think we are desperate for the money as we once would have been, so in a strange sort of way can name our price. Add in to the fact any suitor has got to meet his high wage demands. Is it worth taking a punt on him now? Taylor will be hoping ESI cut him a bit of slack and don't inflate his price. Whether they would do that remains to be seen.
Who would seriously buy him now if he's a few months away from being a free agent?
He's nearly 30 and has a possible niggly injury. He'd be better off not signing a new contract with us. Get his head down. Put in some impressive performances and watch the big money offers roll in over the summer.
Pressures on him no doubt.
Also a risk if a good offer is on the table now. I do understand where you are coming from, but if he can get 20k a week and a decent signing on fee now, why risk a better offer in the summer?
Problem for him is. We hold his cards at the moment.
That's debatable. If it's clear he wants to go than the club are going to be massively tempted to cash in now.
Would have to be a big offer I would think.
As I say he's a few months away. I really don't think we are desperate for the money as we once would have been, so in a strange sort of way can name our price. Add in to the fact any suitor has got to meet his high wage demands. Is it worth taking a punt on him now? Taylor will be hoping ESI cut him a bit of slack and don't inflate his price. Whether they would do that remains to be seen.
Very true. But if someone bids 2million it's going to be tempting to take.
isn't the reality that unless we change our wage structure to the bonkers top level of the championship and above (and I'm not saying we should) we are going to continually get this issue? Players who prove their worth at this level have a queue of 6 or 7 clubs ready to pick them up on much better deals
The other thing that occurs to me is the possible reason behind the ESI purchase. Perhaps they saw the value in the quality of our backroom staff and the solid infrastructure and want to carry on getting the amazing value our team are delivering, with a bit of tweaking Bowyer could be flying in this league, maybe that is the big gamble and if you think about it fairly low risk relative to splurging tens of millions and being caught in the same trap as so many other big spending clubs. It is puzzling though that the backroom team haven't been signed up, but as mentioned that may be Bowyer's insistence and there may still be a commitment there.
Hmm, just seen the SLP thing apparently the reverse is the case..
isn't the reality that unless we change our wage structure to the bonkers top level of the championship and above (and I'm not saying we should) we are going to continually get this issue? Players who prove their worth at this level have a queue of 6 or 7 clubs ready to pick them up on much better deals
The other thing that occurs to me is the possible reason behind the ESI purchase. Perhaps they saw the value in the quality of our backroom staff and the solid infrastructure and want to carry on getting the amazing value our team are delivering, with a bit of tweaking Bowyer could be flying in this league, maybe that is the big gamble and if you think about it fairly low risk relative to splurging tens of millions and being caught in the same trap as so many other big spending clubs. It is puzzling though that the backroom team haven't been signed up, but as mentioned that may be Bowyer's insistence and there may still be a commitment there.
Hmm, just seen the SLP thing apparently the reverse is the case..
However the Southall interview suggests that it is or at least was Bowyer's insistence to get the transfer window done before sorting his own deal.
isn't the reality that unless we change our wage structure to the bonkers top level of the championship and above (and I'm not saying we should) we are going to continually get this issue? Players who prove their worth at this level have a queue of 6 or 7 clubs ready to pick them up on much better deals
The other thing that occurs to me is the possible reason behind the ESI purchase. Perhaps they saw the value in the quality of our backroom staff and the solid infrastructure and want to carry on getting the amazing value our team are delivering, with a bit of tweaking Bowyer could be flying in this league, maybe that is the big gamble and if you think about it fairly low risk relative to splurging tens of millions and being caught in the same trap as so many other big spending clubs. It is puzzling though that the backroom team haven't been signed up, but as mentioned that may be Bowyer's insistence and there may still be a commitment there.
Hmm, just seen the SLP thing apparently the reverse is the case..
However the Southall interview suggests that it is or at least was Bowyer's insistence to get the transfer window done before sorting his own deal.
Maybe Bow's getting nervous now.
could well be the LT issue, if thats what it takes you can imagine Bows will be keen to sort it, speaks his mind does Lee..
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Played one season for Falkirk, played 34-games scored 24-goals in the First Division
Also went on loan to Partick Thistle twice, scored 10-games in 30-games
He'll know the standard up there already, and that was shit Lyle when he was @ Sheffield United and Scunthorpe
Any club with a fear of going down would be interested in signing a player that could get them back up next season. How much they are prepared to pay for that is a different matter.
As a former agent he will know the game inside out. He has not been transferred listed which to me means we want a decent fee.
What would be interesting is if clubs are not willing to pay that fee.
Really would not read into that
If we do have a genuine shot at someone like Toney then maybe that will change, but I don’t see us splashing that kind of money around in January as it’s a tough time to get value for money.
He's nearly 30 and has a possible niggly injury.
He'd be better off not signing a new contract with us. Get his head down. Put in some impressive performances and watch the big money offers roll in over the summer.
Pressures on him no doubt.
Against the only other decent side in Scotland, Celtic, he has failed to score a single goal in 11 appearances but has been booked on 4 occasions and sent off twice.
The other thing that occurs to me is the possible reason behind the ESI purchase. Perhaps they saw the value in the quality of our backroom staff and the solid infrastructure and want to carry on getting the amazing value our team are delivering, with a bit of tweaking Bowyer could be flying in this league, maybe that is the big gamble and if you think about it fairly low risk relative to splurging tens of millions and being caught in the same trap as so many other big spending clubs. It is puzzling though that the backroom team haven't been signed up, but as mentioned that may be Bowyer's insistence and there may still be a commitment there.
As I say he's a few months away.
I really don't think we are desperate for the money as we once would have been, so in a strange sort of way can name our price. Add in to the fact any suitor has got to meet his high wage demands. Is it worth taking a punt on him now?
Taylor will be hoping ESI cut him a bit of slack and don't inflate his price.
Whether they would do that remains to be seen.
Maybe Bow's getting nervous now.