Refusing to play through fear of injury is such a cowards way out, in any normal season he wouldn't have not be able to choose when he plays. Also very surprised at Solly, if he is doing the same as Lyle to protect himself for a move its a disgrace!
Some massive overreactions on here. Still 3 weeks to go and have only heard one side of the story.
If you put yourself in his shoes. He's been underpaid for a long time, has one last contract until he has to re-train and find something else to do with his life. He knows that if he gets injured for a while then he probably won't get that last contract. I think a lot of those criticising him would probably do the same.
I get the emotional aspect of it but I think calling him a dickhead, a sewer rat and telling him to fuck off is a little unwarranted.
Some massive overreactions on here. Still 3 weeks to go and have only heard one side of the story.
If you put yourself in his shoes. He's been underpaid for a long time, has one last contract until he has to re-train and find something else to do with his life. He knows that if he gets injured for a while then he probably won't get that last contract. I think a lot of those criticising him would probably do the same.
I get the emotional aspect of it but I think calling him a dickhead, a sewer rat and telling him to fuck off is a little unwarranted.
Can't say I'm not gutted. Bowyer who comes from a time where footballers like him had pride, grit and determination is probably thinking Lyle is a right lightweight especially after seeing his comments this morning.
Obviously Lyle can be expected to feel let down by Roland and ESI and probably thinks feck em!! .. But wheres his pride to say I'll go out with my head held high and show that your the better person by fullfilling your contract!
Clearly money dictates all but it's not a good way to leave the club. He should play until the 30th June anything less leaves a bitter taste.
Whist it's disappointing Lyle won't be playing let's not kid ourselves that he would score enough keep us up, we lost 4 of our last 5 games and only scored in 1 of them - (Lyle with 2 of the 3 against Luton).
I think we have a better chance of staying up now we know who we will have back wanting to play as I think we were 100% going down had the season carried on with Lyle playing.
Lyle's position is understandable but deeply disappointing. It's a hammer blow to our chances of survival, which were probably less than 50/50 anyway. He's contracted until 30 June and should, in my view, play the two or three games this month. It's not as if the 2020/21 season is going to start in August either.
To complete the extended season, he'd need to have a binding pre-contract with his new club and their consent to play on. Some kind of insurance policy could probably be taken out to protect their and Lyle's interests but, given our deplorable ownership, that looks a forlorn hope.
If he was refusing to play was for COVID reasons I could understand but because he might get injured is ridiculous. No sympathy whatsoever for him .
Bugger off Lyle and take that ego with you .
Yes, I agree with this. If concerns over COVID had been his rationale that would have been more acceptable to my mind. If, as a minimum, he says he would honour his contract term and play in any games up to the end of that (presumably to 30th June), then at least that is a half way house. But to effectively down tools does not sit well with me regardless of what he hopes may be coming his way.
I don't the employment law rules but in the current situation if it's safe to go to work and you refuse would you expect to be sacked?
In Taylors case, or any employee/employer case, I feel you should show some loyalty to an employer who paid you whilst you were unable to work due to injuring yourself whilst working for another company (which your main employer has no control over) and at least fulfil your contractual obligations.
I am deeply disappointed in Taylor's attitude. Not that he'll probably give a shit.
This. It's one thing not signing a new contract or wanting to leave, but its another refusing to play when you are being paid for another 2 months.
1 month and possibly only 1-2 games before his contract ends on 30 June.
I thought players were paid until the end of July, if they are not fixed up with another club,even though contracts finish end of June? If so 2 months and 3/4 games.
Some massive overreactions on here. Still 3 weeks to go and have only heard one side of the story.
If you put yourself in his shoes. He's been underpaid for a long time, has one last contract until he has to re-train and find something else to do with his life. He knows that if he gets injured for a while then he probably won't get that last contract. I think a lot of those criticising him would probably do the same.
I get the emotional aspect of it but I think calling him a dickhead, a sewer rat and telling him to fuck off is a little unwarranted.
Why?
Hes under contract. This covid crisis is strange times but it’s not a free for all excuse wise. If he did this in December cos he could get a move in January would you be so forgiving?
Charlton fans have always been of the manner that if you try hard, put in the effort, then we will respect you. Literally telling the manager you don’t want to play cos you don’t wanna get injured is the polar opposite of that and you should prepare yourself for a bit of stuck.
I’m going to put my bitter hat on and just say Half of his goals this season were penalties. Runs around like headless chicken at times and is one big drama queen.
Think the club is missing a trick. He should be called in but but allowed to train get him to do other jobs round the club. As at least that would disrupt his train routine. I do complety get his stance though as we all would do it. Also I would publicly mention the club if they are in the same division as us as surely that's a breach of fair competition
No. He won't be able to play until the transfer/registration period reopens.
Is this the case? So his contract with CAFC finishes, but he is not able to register with a new club. Does that sound right? Obviously, it's the EFL so anything could happen but it sounds as though he is prevented from earning. I get that he shouldn't be allowed to play for another team in this season, but is there a case that he should be allowed to join another team to prepare for whenever 2020/21 starts.
Shame if he isn't playing but let's be under no illusions where most players' loyalties lie.
Very disappointed. If it was health concerns with the virus I could understand it, but if it’s concerns with his next job, surely that’s a sacking offence?
There's not really a debate to be had here to be honest. We would rather have Lyle available for the rest of our games and he won't be which is upsetting for us, but we can probably all see where he's coming from and see his logic even if we don't like it. He's been knobbed about by Roland, and then again publicly by Southall, has a bad injury still fresh in his mind and will view his contributions to Charlton in his time here as being sufficient repayment for his wages. We don't have to like that though and we won't.
I'm oddly a bit more annoyed about the fact his justification appears to be that he thinks he'd be so worried about being injured he wouldn't be the same player. That sounds to be like a total cop-out story from an intelligent man who realises just flat out refusing hasn't gone down well with his manager, so he needs to change the narrative a little. Regardless though, it's not really ok for him to refuse to play any games that would still normally be within his contract. We at least deserve to get any games that take place before 30th June out of him and there should be no debate there. We can fine him for refusing to play in that time, but if the reason that he's not playing is because he's got a big life-changing contract lined up then see if he gives a shit.
Main thing I'm interested in now is how many other teams are in the same position as us? If enough of our rival teams are in the same position then great, but I doubt there's any other teams with contract situations that are as stupid as ours.
Some massive overreactions on here. Still 3 weeks to go and have only heard one side of the story.
If you put yourself in his shoes. He's been underpaid for a long time, has one last contract until he has to re-train and find something else to do with his life. He knows that if he gets injured for a while then he probably won't get that last contract. I think a lot of those criticising him would probably do the same.
I get the emotional aspect of it but I think calling him a dickhead, a sewer rat and telling him to fuck off is a little unwarranted.
Very true. 2 sides to every story. Listening to Bows interview,he sounds gutted and very disappointed in Taylors decision to effectively 'go on strike' and that will be the feelings of most fans,hence the reactions. Pretty sure most wont mean it, its just that Lyle was loved by us all for everything he brought to the club and team and its a big kick in the guts for everyone. He was more than happy to be paid by Charlton whilst injured for 3 months after playing for Monserrat but is scared of getting injured now. Not for me,sorry. As someone has already posted,he, and any other contracted player who refuses to play for fear of injury can toddle off to the training ground,pack their locker and go sit at home without pay. Cheerio.
No. He won't be able to play until the transfer/registration period reopens.
Is this the case? So his contract with CAFC finishes, but he is not able to register with a new club. Does that sound right? Obviously, it's the EFL so anything could happen but it sounds as though he is prevented from earning. I get that he shouldn't be allowed to play for another team in this season, but is there a case that he should be allowed to join another team to prepare for whenever 2020/21 starts.
Shame if he isn't playing but let's be under no illusions where most players' loyalties lie.
He can sign for another club whilst out of contract, however he cannot play for them until. a registration period opens and he can be authorised by the EFL.
Not going to over the top but very disappointing. He should at least play to the end of his contract ie the games up to and including the 30th of June. In any profession you give your best to the end no matter what the next job and how attractive it is. You can get injured at anytime could have happened in April or March. Respect the contract.
Danny Murphy saying that Lyle should be playing, says that Lyle should speak to the club about an Insurance Policy
Has questioned if the club are capable of doing that though
Acknowledges that Taylor is 30 compared to Murphy being 20 when he went from Crewe to Liverpool
Yet says that playing with the fear of injury is not a good place to be in
Insured against losing a contract that doesn’t exist? Sign me up for that policy!
How do you know that there isn't a contract that has already been agreed? Even if he doesn't have a contract in place an insurance policy could be taken out by the club, in Lyle's favour, covering the earnings that he could expect to receive over the next three years following a move. Of course, the club won't do that because it doesn't have proper leadership and doesn't have a pot to piss in. Can't blame Lyle at all and I hope that he gets the move that his talent deserves.
Unless he’s moving to a foreign club I’m pretty sure he can’t sign anything (if that’s what you mean by “agreed”) with another English team until his contract with Charlton expires.
No. I mean agreed. I'd be surprised if his agent has not been in contact with various clubs who may be interested in signing him.
I’m going to put my bitter hat on and just say Half of his goals this season were penalties. Runs around like headless chicken at times and is one big drama queen.
It’ll help me get over it.
I think this is one of those perfect times that one can accentuate the
negatives tbh mate.
On the plus side, so glad Bow sounds like he's still onboard
and has that old-fashioned loyalty and a conscience that seems to be so desperately lacking in the
sport these days
I've loved having Lyle as part of The side past 2 years but I understand his predicament. Dissapointing but like the honesty that he won't be trying his hardest. Cheers for everthing but let's concentrate on what we have.
HONESTLY I'd rather it was Taylor, Solly, Davis that Pratley, Nabby, Lockyer that was mentioned last week.
Some massive overreactions on here. Still 3 weeks to go and have only heard one side of the story.
If you put yourself in his shoes. He's been underpaid for a long time, has one last contract until he has to re-train and find something else to do with his life. He knows that if he gets injured for a while then he probably won't get that last contract. I think a lot of those criticising him would probably do the same.
I get the emotional aspect of it but I think calling him a dickhead, a sewer rat and telling him to fuck off is a little unwarranted.
Not asking for him to stay just respect the contract and then you can leave on the 30th, putting aside the moral obligation of playing as it’s the right thing to do.
I've loved having Lyle as part of The side past 2 years but I understand his predicament. Dissapointing but like the honesty that he won't be trying his hardest. Cheers for everthing but let's concentrate on what we have.
HONESTLY I'd rather it was Taylor, Solly, Davis that Pratley, Nabby, Lockyer that was mentioned last week.
To add, I don't hink the Southall still being around helps, I wouldn't want to do anything that benefits him in any way shape or form.
Very disappointing and a breach of contract (surely), particularly so given the situation we are in and his importance to the team, no excuse. Whatever he's had to put up with so have others, this is about his character (or lack of it) not anyone else's.
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If you put yourself in his shoes. He's been underpaid for a long time, has one last contract until he has to re-train and find something else to do with his life. He knows that if he gets injured for a while then he probably won't get that last contract. I think a lot of those criticising him would probably do the same.
I get the emotional aspect of it but I think calling him a dickhead, a sewer rat and telling him to fuck off is a little unwarranted.
This x 1000
They need suspending without pay until their contracts are up if you ask me.
Obviously Lyle can be expected to feel let down by Roland and ESI and probably thinks feck em!! .. But wheres his pride to say I'll go out with my head held high and show that your the better person by fullfilling your contract!
Clearly money dictates all but it's not a good way to leave the club. He should play until the 30th June anything less leaves a bitter taste.
I think we have a better chance of staying up now we know who we will have back wanting to play as I think we were 100% going down had the season carried on with Lyle playing.
To complete the extended season, he'd need to have a binding pre-contract with his new club and their consent to play on. Some kind of insurance policy could probably be taken out to protect their and Lyle's interests but, given our deplorable ownership, that looks a forlorn hope.
Another gut punch.
Would Solly have been considered for a coaching role, next season, which he may not be able to do if he were to get injured?
If so 2 months and 3/4 games.
Hes under contract. This covid crisis is strange times but it’s not a free for all excuse wise. If he did this in December cos he could get a move in January would you be so forgiving?
Shame if he isn't playing but let's be under no illusions where most players' loyalties lie.
On the plus side, so glad Bow sounds like he's still onboard and has that old-fashioned loyalty and a conscience that seems to be so desperately lacking in the sport these days
Bonne, Green and Davidson may not have the experience but if they give maximum effort then let's see how it goes.