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General Data Protection Regulation

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    A good mate of mines company is making a killing out of this shit! Should be good for piss up next time we meet up...
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    I work in customer service and it really is like someone has announced today is national dickhead day.
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    My Mrs is a wedding hair and make-up artist here in France and I run her website through Squarespace (Highly recommended!), they say that they have it all covered, although I think I need to put in some banners for cookies etc., but a friend of her's, a florist, has uploaded some photos from a wedding she worked on last Saturday and has blurred out everyone's faces. |In a word, is this necessary?
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    My Mrs is a wedding hair and make-up artist here in France and I run her website through Squarespace (Highly recommended!), they say that they have it all covered, although I think I need to put in some banners for cookies etc., but a friend of her's, a florist, has uploaded some photos from a wedding she worked on last Saturday and has blurred out everyone's faces. |In a word, is this necessary?

    Nobody knows.

    I'd say that was an extreme measure to be honest.
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    Meant to say that the florist's photos were uploaded to Instagram. If it's the case that this needs to be done, there's gonna be a lot of people getting the fine through...
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    stonemuse said:

    AOL appear today have gone into meltdown because of this.
    My email is locked & won't let me back in.
    Apparently they know & are working on it.
    By this I think they mean they have covered their ears & are shouting 'la la la not listening'.
    Groan.

    You should have received at least three emails over the last month requesting that you opt in so that you can retain AOL access. If no opt in, they will block you.

    Yep & I answered all two of the ones they sent me.
    I'm not alone, it's happened to many.
    It appears mine is working today but hubby's isn't.
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    Sounds unlikely
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    My Mrs is a wedding hair and make-up artist here in France and I run her website through Squarespace (Highly recommended!), they say that they have it all covered, although I think I need to put in some banners for cookies etc., but a friend of her's, a florist, has uploaded some photos from a wedding she worked on last Saturday and has blurred out everyone's faces. |In a word, is this necessary?

    I mentioned similar in the thead re: my photography business. Pre-GDPR, the photographer could reasonably presume that any photograph could be used for portfolio/publicity etc and the model release form would give them an option to 'opt out' but now the standard is they are opted out so now they have to 'opt in'. Thus the blacked out faces.
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    A glut of emails today from organisations who left it to the last minute!
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    bobmunro said:

    WSS said:

    Swisdom said:

    No more double negatives I believe. You have to positively confirm you consent to someone storing your information.

    Looking forward to receiving no more spam

    They may have legitimate business interest to store of process your info - that's subjective though.

    All these emails going out, are in the main are pointless other than companies being able to show they've taken some action. Those companies who delete their entire database based on people not responding to emails are stupid and just don't understand the regulations.

    The test comes in the coming weeks and months with regards to what processes you have in place. People would think we've not had data protection laws before they come in on Friday.
    Spot on.

    The real job starts on Friday and will take months, even years to get it all correct. The ICO knows that as well.

    Smacks of another Millennium Bug gravy train for 'GDPR experts'.
    Be interested to see who the ICO take on as their sacrificial lamb and headline case

    I would imagine they’ll be looking for one big name to make an example of
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    JohnBoyUK said:

    My Mrs is a wedding hair and make-up artist here in France and I run her website through Squarespace (Highly recommended!), they say that they have it all covered, although I think I need to put in some banners for cookies etc., but a friend of her's, a florist, has uploaded some photos from a wedding she worked on last Saturday and has blurred out everyone's faces. |In a word, is this necessary?

    I mentioned similar in the thead re: my photography business. Pre-GDPR, the photographer could reasonably presume that any photograph could be used for portfolio/publicity etc and the model release form would give them an option to 'opt out' but now the standard is they are opted out so now they have to 'opt in'. Thus the blacked out faces.
    Did you get advice on that? I really don’t think it’s that clear cut. Consent is only one of the pillars that so many people seem to be getting caught up in.

    Unless you’re putting peoples’ name alongside their face so that you can easily identify an individual I’d suggest you had legitimate interest to use their image.

    Problem is at the moment nobody really knows across all sectors.
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    A glut of emails today from organisations who left it to the last minute!

    Deliberate I imagine. Send it out early and you opt out and they miss out on weeks of marketing opportunities.
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    edited May 2018
    Bit of blackmail going on in my experience so far.

    'OPT IN' or forgo the right to use the service.

    In most cases that would be sufficient to make me 'OPT OUT' as a matter of principle. However when it's an email provider you actually need that and if they are all doing it then you will eventually be stuffed.

    No doubt these companies are complying with the regulations with their draconian attitudes.

    Just shows that protecting the ordinary person is way down the list of priorities.

    My experience of 'data protection' is that I still receive unsolicited shit and its only function is to give companies an excuse not to address customer service problems and make life impossible for those trying to assist vulnerable relatives or friends being exploited by these charlatans.

    Once again the EU achieves the square root of zero with its legislation.



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    edited May 2018
    cabbles said:

    bobmunro said:

    WSS said:

    Swisdom said:

    No more double negatives I believe. You have to positively confirm you consent to someone storing your information.

    Looking forward to receiving no more spam

    They may have legitimate business interest to store of process your info - that's subjective though.

    All these emails going out, are in the main are pointless other than companies being able to show they've taken some action. Those companies who delete their entire database based on people not responding to emails are stupid and just don't understand the regulations.

    The test comes in the coming weeks and months with regards to what processes you have in place. People would think we've not had data protection laws before they come in on Friday.
    Spot on.

    The real job starts on Friday and will take months, even years to get it all correct. The ICO knows that as well.

    Smacks of another Millennium Bug gravy train for 'GDPR experts'.
    Be interested to see who the ICO take on as their sacrificial lamb and headline case

    I would imagine they’ll be looking for one big name to make an example of
    They will go after the little people.

    Bullying is what all government departments do best.
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    I've had loads of these emails this week & haven't responded to any of them. Does that mean I've opted out of hundreds of subscriptions & they won't email me anymore?

    Sounds too good to be true!
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    edited May 2018
    WSS said:

    JohnBoyUK said:

    My Mrs is a wedding hair and make-up artist here in France and I run her website through Squarespace (Highly recommended!), they say that they have it all covered, although I think I need to put in some banners for cookies etc., but a friend of her's, a florist, has uploaded some photos from a wedding she worked on last Saturday and has blurred out everyone's faces. |In a word, is this necessary?

    I mentioned similar in the thead re: my photography business. Pre-GDPR, the photographer could reasonably presume that any photograph could be used for portfolio/publicity etc and the model release form would give them an option to 'opt out' but now the standard is they are opted out so now they have to 'opt in'. Thus the blacked out faces.
    Did you get advice on that? I really don’t think it’s that clear cut. Consent is only one of the pillars that so many people seem to be getting caught up in.

    Unless you’re putting peoples’ name alongside their face so that you can easily identify an individual I’d suggest you had legitimate interest to use their image.

    Problem is at the moment nobody really knows across all sectors.
    Yeah, this is something that I've always avoided, even before this GDPR carry on. On the gallery page of the website I run, I just put the photographer's name and their website in the bottom corner of each photo, and on the testimonial page, I just have the first name of the bride, the date the ceremony took place and the Department where the ceremony was held (e.g. Sarah - 12/07/2017 - Dordogne). There is no link between the testimonials and any photos
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    JaShea99 said:

    Thanks. The word ‘fine’ would have helped a little.

    Apologies @JaShea99 my error.
    Some other information-:
    ICO commissioner is apparently on BBC breakfast tomorrow morning, not sure what time.
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    So I never do a marketing shot, what do I need to do, all I have is my customers email addresses who email me orders ?
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    edited May 2018
    Many are looking at this in terms of their work exposure. We might also want to consider the overall impact on the democratic process in terms of campaigns and news management?

    Consider the demise of Cambridge Analytica and we can understand how easy it is to scrape data about millions of voters from social media, build complex psychographic profiles and models and then target the electorate.

    This places swing decisions and swing constituencies in the hands of the very rich. Essentially they sponsor the think tanks, the parties, the candidates and now the campaigns.

    GDPR has the potential to change the landscape as you and I did not choose to allow our data to be released / sold for use by political campaigns. If people think that this is a US phenomena then they might wish to look up Movimento cinquestelle (M5*) which started life as a web based protest group against Europe and with Russian sympathies.

    How do you go from 5% to 30% of the vote in less than ten years?! They are now in government but its unclear what they plan to do. How did Macron and REM in France go from zero to President and majorities across the government in a couple of years?

    That was an educated guess by the way - just looked it up and it transpires En Marche used McKinsey trained data specialists and a big data approach.

    Most western democracies have between 65-70% smartphone market penetration. Anybody aggregating the Apps, social media and GPS data can build a political marketing campaign.

    This trend cannot be stopped but perhaps it can be shaped? Not sure of the answer, but we should be aware that the world will be a very different place in 2025. There are major tech developments in most walks of life - all providing more and more data.
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    So I never do a marketing shot, what do I need to do, all I have is my customers email addresses who email me orders ?

    You need to put a realistic time period (18 months maybe) but if they have approached you asking for quotes, placing orders or just showing an interest (and you still have that evidence) then I think you have legitimate business interest to email them.

    There are other potential issues around how you store their data etc of course that you may have to look at (in a secure reputable database good, on the notepad on a desk bad)

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    LenGlover said:

    cabbles said:

    bobmunro said:

    WSS said:

    Swisdom said:

    No more double negatives I believe. You have to positively confirm you consent to someone storing your information.

    Looking forward to receiving no more spam

    They may have legitimate business interest to store of process your info - that's subjective though.

    All these emails going out, are in the main are pointless other than companies being able to show they've taken some action. Those companies who delete their entire database based on people not responding to emails are stupid and just don't understand the regulations.

    The test comes in the coming weeks and months with regards to what processes you have in place. People would think we've not had data protection laws before they come in on Friday.
    Spot on.

    The real job starts on Friday and will take months, even years to get it all correct. The ICO knows that as well.

    Smacks of another Millennium Bug gravy train for 'GDPR experts'.
    Be interested to see who the ICO take on as their sacrificial lamb and headline case

    I would imagine they’ll be looking for one big name to make an example of
    They will go after the little people.

    Bullying is what all government departments do best.
    Not so sure Len. Got a feeling they’ll want one big profile case

    The only thing that should stop them is any big company should really have their house in order given how long they’ve known about it
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    cabbles said:

    LenGlover said:

    cabbles said:

    bobmunro said:

    WSS said:

    Swisdom said:

    No more double negatives I believe. You have to positively confirm you consent to someone storing your information.

    Looking forward to receiving no more spam

    They may have legitimate business interest to store of process your info - that's subjective though.

    All these emails going out, are in the main are pointless other than companies being able to show they've taken some action. Those companies who delete their entire database based on people not responding to emails are stupid and just don't understand the regulations.

    The test comes in the coming weeks and months with regards to what processes you have in place. People would think we've not had data protection laws before they come in on Friday.
    Spot on.

    The real job starts on Friday and will take months, even years to get it all correct. The ICO knows that as well.

    Smacks of another Millennium Bug gravy train for 'GDPR experts'.
    Be interested to see who the ICO take on as their sacrificial lamb and headline case

    I would imagine they’ll be looking for one big name to make an example of
    They will go after the little people.

    Bullying is what all government departments do best.
    Not so sure Len. Got a feeling they’ll want one big profile case

    The only thing that should stop them is any big company should really have their house in order given how long they’ve known about it
    No big company will have their house in order yet.
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    Had a quick read up on various sites and the main consensus seems to be there ain't nothing to worry about...
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    I have already received two marketing emails this morning, who should I notify to have huge fines handed out?
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    How can I opt out of seeing @seriously_red posts?
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    Had a quick read up on various sites and the main consensus seems to be there ain't nothing to worry about...

    There ain't. So long as you have some evidence that you have at least acquainted yourself with your duties and made a reasonable effort to ensure you are carrying them out. That's direct from the mouth of the Commissioner on the radio this morning.

    The ICO is under resourced anyway. I know this from my dealings with them over the Olympic Stadium. Took them 11 months to deal with my complaint, and they were on our side, don't forget.

    Of course mate, I can't vouch for the attitude of the French :-)
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    BBC breakfast was 'dealing' with it yesterday and did nothing to help perceptions. The normally sensible Steph saying companies had to send these emails. I understand there is only so much depth a magazine show can go into, but they really should have stayed away from the instructive statements and concentrate on what Beryl from Barnsley thought about it (she blamed immigration, in case you were wondering).
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