I think it’d be really naive to not take Hart. He’s not the player he was as we all know, but to travel with that lack of experience is foolish imo.
Experience of what exactly?
I understand taking someone like Buffon for experience who has won the world cup.... but Hart?
I agree, and I think Butland has enough experience now. I do understand taking 3 keepers like Pope or Pickford would be a slight risk, but with Butland around he can be the senior head.
I think it’d be really naive to not take Hart. He’s not the player he was as we all know, but to travel with that lack of experience is foolish imo.
Experience of what exactly?
I understand taking someone like Buffon for experience who has won the world cup.... but Hart?
Playing at the top level? Going to major tournaments? Just someone with over 70 caps instead of taking 3 keepers with less than 20 caps between them.
Do you think any other World Cup team will travel with such a lack of experience at the back?
Edit: I’ll change that to ‘any team with serious ambitions of winning’ before some pendant claims the Panama number 1 is a part time bus driver who’s playing football for the first time ever.
For all the abuse Gareth Southgate gets on social media (worse than any politician) he makes some brave calls. Dropping, Hart, Wilshere, Cahill, Smalling, Sturrdige, and even the Ox for the November friendly.
For all the abuse Gareth Southgate gets on social media (worse than any politician) he makes some brave calls. Dropping, Hart, Wilshere, Cahill, Smalling, Sturrdige, and even the Ox for the November friendly.
I think Southgate is great, and has made some tough but correct decisions.
Would rather get to the Quarter-Finals with a young team/a team base on merit, rather than an experienced team that gets to the Quarter-FInals.
We aren't good enough to win it, so why don't we start building for the future. All the greatest international teams in the past decade or so built from a young team i.e. Germany and Spain. Maybe our youngsters aren't as good as them, but how can we know that if they are never trusted or given the chance.
Butland Pickford Pope Walker Trippier Bertrand Rose Stones Jones Gomez Cahill Dier Henderson Wilshere Shelvey Lallana Alli Sterling Lingard Kane Vardy Rashford Welbeck
On balance I'm a winger/attacker short but there is no one knocking the door down.
What strikes me is the options we have at CB. I haven't picked Maguire Tarkowski Mawson or Keane who have all been in squads over the last year or so. And there is smalling who whilst I don't think Southgate rates him and he wouldn't fit his system he is playing well at United.
We also have fuck all options in attack. Other than the ones I've picked who is there? Defoe or Sturridge? Nah you're alright. Abraham/ Solanke hmmmm. With the Ox out we are also short of creative players Barkley? Loftus-cheek?
One of my favourite days is here. The absolute seethe generated by an England manager announcing a squad for a tournament is a beautiful thing to watch.
The fruition of foreign players coming to the Premier over the last 20 years will be reflected in the moderate quality of the England squad. But now maybe the team can be larger than the sum of its parts.
One example of a young English player losing his way in the global premier, is Luke Shaw who was going to be England's left back for a possible decade when he was 18. Did getting 100k a week at 19 plus the broken leg affect his hunger and drive ?
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Do you think any other World Cup team will travel with such a lack of experience at the back?
Edit: I’ll change that to ‘any team with serious ambitions of winning’ before some pendant claims the Panama number 1 is a part time bus driver who’s playing football for the first time ever.
Would rather get to the Quarter-Finals with a young team/a team base on merit, rather than an experienced team that gets to the Quarter-FInals.
We aren't good enough to win it, so why don't we start building for the future. All the greatest international teams in the past decade or so built from a young team i.e. Germany and Spain. Maybe our youngsters aren't as good as them, but how can we know that if they are never trusted or given the chance.
Walker, Trent -Arnold, Young, Delph, Rose, Maguire, Stones, Smalling
Dier, Henderson, Ali, Loftus-Cheek, Shelvey, Wilshere, Sterling, Lingard, Sessegnon
Vardy, Kane, Rashford
Pope
Walker Cahill Stones Rose
Dier Henderson
Sterling Alli Rashford
Kane
2nd
Butland/Pickford
Trippier Maguire Smalling Bertrand
Lingard Loftus-Cheek Shelvey Young
Vardy Welbeck
This is the first time it was actually a difficult decision as the choice is so poor.
Walker Trippier
Bertrand Rose
Stones Jones Gomez Cahill Dier
Henderson Wilshere Shelvey Lallana
Alli Sterling Lingard
Kane Vardy Rashford Welbeck
On balance I'm a winger/attacker short but there is no one knocking the door down.
What strikes me is the options we have at CB. I haven't picked Maguire Tarkowski Mawson or Keane who have all been in squads over the last year or so. And there is smalling who whilst I don't think Southgate rates him and he wouldn't fit his system he is playing well at United.
We also have fuck all options in attack. Other than the ones I've picked who is there? Defoe or Sturridge? Nah you're alright. Abraham/ Solanke hmmmm. With the Ox out we are also short of creative players Barkley? Loftus-cheek?
The 11
.......................Kane
.........Alli..........................Sterling
Bertrand Wilshere Henderson Trippier
..............Gomez Stones Walker
.........................Butland
Against the weaker teams I'd probably play Alli alongside Wilshere and bring Lingard/ Rashford in.
One of Hendo and Dier in midfield.
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That's what I posted on the other thread a while back. Since then Gomez is injured so I would have Maguire in for him.
It's looking like Cahill and Wilshere won't be going along with Hart.
Not sure who we are going to have in CM who can pass/Create. Shelvey to start?
But now maybe the team can be larger than the sum of its parts.
One example of a young English player losing his way in the global premier, is Luke Shaw who was going to be England's left back for a possible decade when he was 18.
Did getting 100k a week at 19 plus the broken leg affect his hunger and drive ?
Shame it’ll look awful because they’ll get absolutely no service
Too many CBs, not enough creativity in the midfield.
One word for this team: Boring.
Shelvey would have made more sense.
Apart from that it's a boring but reasonably sensible squad.