How some on here would rather Josh go for 3 quid than have him as a squad player.
When he plays, we just lump it up to him to win the odd header. I'd rather put faith in Taylor and K(A)G
But we need to build a squad, not just a team if we want to compete over 46 games.
Summer after summer many of our fans seem to forget that.
For me that’s the whole issue under Duchatelet. We are not and have never been “building” anything. Every season it’s all change. We change manager so often no one individual can look to build over a period of two or three seasons. Slowly build a squad capable of challenging. How Curbs did it. It’s getting players in and moving the same players on without thought for structure.
Until RD departs nothing will change and any slight success, as in last season’s play off will be down to as much to luck as judgement. Instead of building on the best parts of last years squad we are starting over again.
FFS. How & why did Duchatelet agree to drop in fee of £300k ?
The Magennis deal is typical of the kind of shite that Charlton supporters have witnessed over 4&1/2 years that has led to creation & recording of an ever increasing record club debt.
Yet incredibly he still wants all his money back. When will Duchatelet’s abysmal & miserable reign end ?
One word to describe the fee for Magennis ... Firesale
FFS. How & why did Duchatelet agree to drop in fee of £300k ?
The Magennis deal is typical of the kind of shite that Charlton supporters have witnessed over 4&1/2 years that has led to creation & recording of an ever increasing record club debt.
Yet incredibly he still wants all his money back. When will Duchatelet’s abysmal & miserable reign end ?
One word to describe the fee for Magennis ... Firesale
The 2 players we have brought in are both going to improve our team. The players we have let go so far other than the keeper are not going to weaken our team - of course, the last few years have made us expect the worst but at this stage, 2 or 3 good signings and a bit more dead wood shifted and we will be looking strong.
Can Premiership youngster or championship loans fill the gaping holes in the squad, after the transfer window closes in early August 18 ?
time will tell as I would imagine that's what is going to happen.
That was an actual question as whether that can happen as to whether loans can be made due to the new window rules. Is that a possibility ? As without any loans the squad is looking really thin, even for a Duchatelet normal season.
Yes loans still go to the end of the window. Although I am not 100% sure if we can sign or loan out players to/from other League 1 clubs?
The loans window closes at the end of August.
Sorry I meant loans go until the end of August. Does that include to and from teams in the same league. As I could see Ajose and Reeves going on loan to Coventry and Oxford
So this time last season I’d say we were better GK, RB(Solly another year on that knee), LB, RM, RCM, LM, CF. CB’s same, LCM same, I’d say one better CF that’s it.
Literally need 6 players minimum to even think about play offs. Shambles.
Pretty sure Taylor won’t start against Sunderland so even the CF position won’t be stronger.
Could be worse...
Doherty Daily Stewart Abbott Anyinsah Eccleston Nouble K Reid Bessone Kandol...
Can't fault the 2 signings as individuals but it's clear to anyone that the squad is ridiculously weaker.
At the start of pre season i'm almost certain Bowyer said we'd be bringing in 4-5 signings. Well less than a week before the first game we have 2 signings, one is injured and the other not match fit.
Fan-f*cking-tastic.
And yet, a team we lost 2-0 to in a pre-season friendly last season when most of those ‘lost’ players were available and we had holmes had just been beaten 1-0 in this pre-season’s friendly by our ‘ridiculously weaker’ team.
Yes because pre-season friendlies are a definite marker for how a season will pan out. We got smashed by UCD in pre-season last year then a couple of weeks later put 6 past Ipswich. it means nothing.
Are you trying to deny we have a ridiculously weaker squad?
Can't fault the 2 signings as individuals but it's clear to anyone that the squad is ridiculously weaker.
At the start of pre season i'm almost certain Bowyer said we'd be bringing in 4-5 signings. Well less than a week before the first game we have 2 signings, one is injured and the other not match fit.
Fan-f*cking-tastic.
And yet, a team we lost 2-0 to in a pre-season friendly last season when most of those ‘lost’ players were available and we had holmes had just been beaten 1-0 in this pre-season’s friendly by our ‘ridiculously weaker’ team.
Yes because pre-season friendlies are a definite marker for how a season will pan out. We got smashed by UCD in pre-season last year then a couple of weeks later put 6 past Ipswich. it means nothing.
Are you trying to deny we have a ridiculously weaker squad?
In what way is it weaker ? It’s basically the same defence and they looked pretty solid yesterday. The midfield, despite missing key players gave a pretty good account of themselves against a team a division above and I’d be happy to see them start again, for once we look like we’ve bought a striker who will score goals and the squad is undefeated in its pre-season games
Can Premiership youngster or championship loans fill the gaping holes in the squad, after the transfer window closes in early August 18 ?
time will tell as I would imagine that's what is going to happen.
That was an actual question as whether that can happen as to whether loans can be made due to the new window rules. Is that a possibility ? As without any loans the squad is looking really thin, even for a Duchatelet normal season.
Yes loans still go to the end of the window. Although I am not 100% sure if we can sign or loan out players to/from other League 1 clubs?
The loans window closes at the end of August.
Sorry I meant loans go until the end of August. Does that include to and from teams in the same league. As I could see Ajose and Reeves going on loan to Coventry and Oxford
So this time last season I’d say we were better GK, RB(Solly another year on that knee), LB, RM, RCM, LM, CF. CB’s same, LCM same, I’d say one better CF that’s it.
Literally need 6 players minimum to even think about play offs. Shambles.
Pretty sure Taylor won’t start against Sunderland so even the CF position won’t be stronger.
Could be worse...
Doherty Daily Stewart Abbott Anyinsah Eccleston Nouble K Reid Bessone Kandol...
Dailly was superbly fit and played really well throughout his time with the club.
Can't fault the 2 signings as individuals but it's clear to anyone that the squad is ridiculously weaker.
At the start of pre season i'm almost certain Bowyer said we'd be bringing in 4-5 signings. Well less than a week before the first game we have 2 signings, one is injured and the other not match fit.
Fan-f*cking-tastic.
And yet, a team we lost 2-0 to in a pre-season friendly last season when most of those ‘lost’ players were available and we had holmes had just been beaten 1-0 in this pre-season’s friendly by our ‘ridiculously weaker’ team.
Yes because pre-season friendlies are a definite marker for how a season will pan out. We got smashed by UCD in pre-season last year then a couple of weeks later put 6 past Ipswich. it means nothing.
Are you trying to deny we have a ridiculously weaker squad?
In what way is it weaker ? It’s basically the same defence and they looked pretty solid yesterday. The midfield, despite missing key players gave a pretty good account of themselves against a team a division above and I’d be happy to see them start again, for once we look like we’ve bought a striker who will score goals and the squad is undefeated in its pre-season games
Do you not understand the difference between “squad” and “team” or “pre-season friendlies” and “46 competitive matches”? Watch and learn.
Can't fault the 2 signings as individuals but it's clear to anyone that the squad is ridiculously weaker.
At the start of pre season i'm almost certain Bowyer said we'd be bringing in 4-5 signings. Well less than a week before the first game we have 2 signings, one is injured and the other not match fit.
Fan-f*cking-tastic.
And yet, a team we lost 2-0 to in a pre-season friendly last season when most of those ‘lost’ players were available and we had holmes had just been beaten 1-0 in this pre-season’s friendly by our ‘ridiculously weaker’ team.
Yes because pre-season friendlies are a definite marker for how a season will pan out. We got smashed by UCD in pre-season last year then a couple of weeks later put 6 past Ipswich. it means nothing.
Are you trying to deny we have a ridiculously weaker squad?
In what way is it weaker ? It’s basically the same defence and they looked pretty solid yesterday. The midfield, despite missing key players gave a pretty good account of themselves against a team a division above and I’d be happy to see them start again, for once we look like we’ve bought a striker who will score goals and the squad is undefeated in its pre-season games
In what way is it weaker? Look at the squad as a whole, no cover in several positions, kids making up the numbers, Konsa, Dasilva, Kashi, Amos, Holmes all gone, currently their replacements are Yao, Mascoll, Lapslie, Maynard-Brewer and Hackett-Fairchild, essentially
Can't fault the 2 signings as individuals but it's clear to anyone that the squad is ridiculously weaker.
At the start of pre season i'm almost certain Bowyer said we'd be bringing in 4-5 signings. Well less than a week before the first game we have 2 signings, one is injured and the other not match fit.
Fan-f*cking-tastic.
And yet, a team we lost 2-0 to in a pre-season friendly last season when most of those ‘lost’ players were available and we had holmes had just been beaten 1-0 in this pre-season’s friendly by our ‘ridiculously weaker’ team.
Yes because pre-season friendlies are a definite marker for how a season will pan out. We got smashed by UCD in pre-season last year then a couple of weeks later put 6 past Ipswich. it means nothing.
Are you trying to deny we have a ridiculously weaker squad?
In what way is it weaker ? It’s basically the same defence and they looked pretty solid yesterday. The midfield, despite missing key players gave a pretty good account of themselves against a team a division above and I’d be happy to see them start again, for once we look like we’ve bought a striker who will score goals and the squad is undefeated in its pre-season games
You’ve mentioned the main first team starting line up which we know is decent. It’s the squad that is the issue and what has been discussed as where we are so weak.
You can’t lose 10 players who were part of the first team squad last season and only bring in 2 and Igor back and say we aren’t weaker. Bowyer has already said that the young players have done well in pre-season but they’re not ready.
Once Vetokele, Fosu, Clarke, Reeves, and Dijksteel are back, we will be okay, but that is also relying on their fitness and no one else being injured. That is also only just enough to complete a squad that doesn’t really involve youngsters.
Not great negotiation on Duchatelet's part is it ? Offered £150K for Lennon last summer and ends up selling for £50K last month; offered £500K for Magennis in January and now sells for £200K (assuming the Bolton Post article is accurate). Even allowing for Harry's injuries, the fact that Josh has 12 (rather than 18) months on his contract and that the earlier Bolton bid was in January after they had sold Madine, it's abysmal.
Duchatelet's 'discount for cash' approach is hard to fathom, as there must, I fear, be a reasonable chance that he's going to own the club for some time yet. Yes, he has form as an asset stripper but is he really that confident that he'll be able to sell the club very soon, as he was with Standard ? If, as I expect, we are well off the pace with an emaciated squad, on what basis does he really think he's going to get anything approaching a half decent price for Charlton, especially if we're messing around in the lower reaches of the table ? It surely can't all be motivated by spite and a desire to vent his spleen but I am struggling to find any shred of logic in his approach, even allowing for his ignorance about football and complete lack of empathy.
As for new players, it sounded from Lee Bowyer's interview after the Norwich game that we're going to be looking principally at loans, rather than permanent deals, before 31 August when the loan window shuts. The revolving door continues apace.
Can't fault the 2 signings as individuals but it's clear to anyone that the squad is ridiculously weaker.
At the start of pre season i'm almost certain Bowyer said we'd be bringing in 4-5 signings. Well less than a week before the first game we have 2 signings, one is injured and the other not match fit.
Fan-f*cking-tastic.
And yet, a team we lost 2-0 to in a pre-season friendly last season when most of those ‘lost’ players were available and we had holmes had just been beaten 1-0 in this pre-season’s friendly by our ‘ridiculously weaker’ team.
Yes because pre-season friendlies are a definite marker for how a season will pan out. We got smashed by UCD in pre-season last year then a couple of weeks later put 6 past Ipswich. it means nothing.
Are you trying to deny we have a ridiculously weaker squad?
In what way is it weaker ? It’s basically the same defence and they looked pretty solid yesterday. The midfield, despite missing key players gave a pretty good account of themselves against a team a division above and I’d be happy to see them start again, for once we look like we’ve bought a striker who will score goals and the squad is undefeated in its pre-season games
Do you not understand the difference between “squad” and “team” or “pre-season friendlies” and “46 competitive matches”? Watch and learn.
We won’t have the budget for it, I know that and he might not even be what we need, but to allow Dijksteel to move into midfield when he is back from illness, Liam Rosenior is a free agent and can provide good experienced cover for Solly and Page, having played both full back positions in the past.
We won’t have the budget for it, I know that and he might not even be what we need, but to allow Dijksteel to move into midfield when he is back from illness, Liam Rosenior is a free agent and can provide good experienced cover for Solly and Page, having played both full back positions in the past.
How some on here would rather Josh go for 3 quid than have him as a squad player.
When he plays, we just lump it up to him to win the odd header. I'd rather put faith in Taylor and K(A)G
But we need to build a squad, not just a team if we want to compete over 46 games.
Summer after summer many of our fans seem to forget that.
For me that’s the whole issue under Duchatelet. We are not and have never been “building” anything. Every season it’s all change. We change manager so often no one individual can look to build over a period of two or three seasons. Slowly build a squad capable of challenging. How Curbs did it. It’s getting players in and moving the same players on without thought for structure.
Until RD departs nothing will change and any slight success, as in last season’s play off will be down to as much to luck as judgement. Instead of building on the best parts of last years squad we are starting over again.
Unless he sells that’s our future.
Last season was an opportunity, we had relatively few players out of contract a (permanent manager) who had
Can't fault the 2 signings as individuals but it's clear to anyone that the squad is ridiculously weaker.
At the start of pre season i'm almost certain Bowyer said we'd be bringing in 4-5 signings. Well less than a week before the first game we have 2 signings, one is injured and the other not match fit.
Fan-f*cking-tastic.
And yet, a team we lost 2-0 to in a pre-season friendly last season when most of those ‘lost’ players were available and we had holmes had just been beaten 1-0 in this pre-season’s friendly by our ‘ridiculously weaker’ team.
Yes because pre-season friendlies are a definite marker for how a season will pan out. We got smashed by UCD in pre-season last year then a couple of weeks later put 6 past Ipswich. it means nothing.
Are you trying to deny we have a ridiculously weaker squad?
In what way is it weaker ? It’s basically the same defence and they looked pretty solid yesterday. The midfield, despite missing key players gave a pretty good account of themselves against a team a division above and I’d be happy to see them start again, for once we look like we’ve bought a striker who will score goals and the squad is undefeated in its pre-season games
It’s essentially unarguable that the squad is weaker than it was this time last year. I’d argue that without Amos, Holmes and Dasilva that the team is also weaker.
Prefer Mascoll/Marshall. Guess Bow does as well. A Curbs strength was having players who could do a job in several postions, keeping a tight squad and I think Marshall, Djiksteel, Grant and Sarr may fill several roles this year.
Prefer Mascoll/Marshall. Guess Bow does as well. A Curbs strength was having players who could do a job in several postions, keeping a tight squad and I think Marshall, Djiksteel, Grant and Sarr may fill several roles this year.
How some on here would rather Josh go for 3 quid than have him as a squad player.
When he plays, we just lump it up to him to win the odd header. I'd rather put faith in Taylor and K(A)G
But we need to build a squad, not just a team if we want to compete over 46 games.
Summer after summer many of our fans seem to forget that.
For me that’s the whole issue under Duchatelet. We are not and have never been “building” anything. Every season it’s all change. We change manager so often no one individual can look to build over a period of two or three seasons. Slowly build a squad capable of challenging. How Curbs did it. It’s getting players in and moving the same players on without thought for structure.
Until RD departs nothing will change and any slight success, as in last season’s play off will be down to as much to luck as judgement. Instead of building on the best parts of last years squad we are starting over again.
Unless he sells that’s our future.
Last season was an opportunity, we had relatively few players out of contract a (permanent manager) who had
Can't fault the 2 signings as individuals but it's clear to anyone that the squad is ridiculously weaker.
At the start of pre season i'm almost certain Bowyer said we'd be bringing in 4-5 signings. Well less than a week before the first game we have 2 signings, one is injured and the other not match fit.
Fan-f*cking-tastic.
And yet, a team we lost 2-0 to in a pre-season friendly last season when most of those ‘lost’ players were available and we had holmes had just been beaten 1-0 in this pre-season’s friendly by our ‘ridiculously weaker’ team.
Yes because pre-season friendlies are a definite marker for how a season will pan out. We got smashed by UCD in pre-season last year then a couple of weeks later put 6 past Ipswich. it means nothing.
Are you trying to deny we have a ridiculously weaker squad?
In what way is it weaker ? It’s basically the same defence and they looked pretty solid yesterday. The midfield, despite missing key players gave a pretty good account of themselves against a team a division above and I’d be happy to see them start again, for once we look like we’ve bought a striker who will score goals and the squad is undefeated in its pre-season games
It’s essentially unarguable that the squad is weaker than it was this time last year. I’d argue that without Amos, Holmes and Dasilva that the team is also weaker.
Both are true, our 1st team is lacking in attacking areas, and the squad is clearly very thin, not helped by three players being out injured. The only proviso is that we haven't finished our transfer business yet. I imagine a lot of loan business will be done once the transfer window for permanent signings has closed
Indeed of the players we've lost this summer, the biggest losses for the 1st 11 (JDS and Amos) were both loanees.
Prefer Mascoll/Marshall. Guess Bow does as well. A Curbs strength was having players who could do a job in several postions, keeping a tight squad and I think Marshall, Djiksteel, Grant and Sarr may fill several roles this year.
Prefer Mascoll/Marshall. Guess Bow does as well. A Curbs strength was having players who could do a job in several postions, keeping a tight squad and I think Marshall, Djiksteel, Grant and Sarr may fill several roles this year.
Prefer Mascoll and Marshall to who?
Buying a 33yo mediocre full back like Rossenior.
So you'd prefer to rely on mediocre winger playing as a full back and a child than a full back that hasn't played below the Championship in 10 years?
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Until RD departs nothing will change and any slight success, as in last season’s play off will be down to as much to luck as judgement. Instead of building on the best parts of last years squad we are starting over again.
Unless he sells that’s our future.
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Are you trying to deny we have a ridiculously weaker squad?
You can’t lose 10 players who were part of the first team squad last season and only bring in 2 and Igor back and say we aren’t weaker. Bowyer has already said that the young players have done well in pre-season but they’re not ready.
Once Vetokele, Fosu, Clarke, Reeves, and Dijksteel are back, we will be okay, but that is also relying on their fitness and no one else being injured. That is also only just enough to complete a squad that doesn’t really involve youngsters.
Duchatelet's 'discount for cash' approach is hard to fathom, as there must, I fear, be a reasonable chance that he's going to own the club for some time yet. Yes, he has form as an asset stripper but is he really that confident that he'll be able to sell the club very soon, as he was with Standard ? If, as I expect, we are well off the pace with an emaciated squad, on what basis does he really think he's going to get anything approaching a half decent price for Charlton, especially if we're messing around in the lower reaches of the table ? It surely can't all be motivated by spite and a desire to vent his spleen but I am struggling to find any shred of logic in his approach, even allowing for his ignorance about football and complete lack of empathy.
As for new players, it sounded from Lee Bowyer's interview after the Norwich game that we're going to be looking principally at loans, rather than permanent deals, before 31 August when the loan window shuts. The revolving door continues apace.
Indeed of the players we've lost this summer, the biggest losses for the 1st 11 (JDS and Amos) were both loanees.
Righty ho.....