Airstrikes against Syria

ScrappyCAFC

Confirmed reports the US, UK and France have hit targets in Syria.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-43762251

NapaAddick

US used B-1 bombers. Wow. First time Trump has ever formed a coalition of any kind.

NapaAddick

Stock markets closed for the weekend... nighttime. Figured it would be something like that.

bazjonster

Just watched Trump's address following the air strikes.

Lots of praying that God does this, that and the other! Meanwhile, God and all of his/hers/its cohorts, in all of their guises, sit in their make believe heavenly utopia with their big fat cigars, laughing at all of the chaos that their respective religions incite to reap upon this world!

God? Do me a favour please! What a complete and utter pile of pony!!

And to be fair; I don't want to start any blasphemous rumours, but I think that god's got a sick sense of humour.

Ormiston_Addick

bazjonster said:

Just watched Trump's address following the air strikes.

Lots of praying that God does this, that and the other! Meanwhile, God and all of his/hers/its cohorts, in all of their guises, sit in their make believe heavenly utopia with their big fat cigars, laughing at all of the chaos that their respective religions incite to reap upon this world!

God? Do me a favour please! What a complete and utter pile of pony!!

Don’t forget he’s not talking to you, he’s talking to the “American People” who are as insatiable for all that God shit the same way they are insatiable for stuffing vast amounts of deep fried shit down their necks every meal time.

bazjonster

Ormiston Addick said:

bazjonster said:

Just watched Trump's address following the air strikes.

Lots of praying that God does this, that and the other! Meanwhile, God and all of his/hers/its cohorts, in all of their guises, sit in their make believe heavenly utopia with their big fat cigars, laughing at all of the chaos that their respective religions incite to reap upon this world!

God? Do me a favour please! What a complete and utter pile of pony!!

Don’t forget he’s not talking to you, he’s talking to the “American People” who are as insatiable for all that God shit the same way they are insatiable for stuffing vast amounts of deep fried shit down their necks every meal time.

Whilst stroking their assault rifles and reading their copy of the Second Amendment mate.

NapaAddick

Rather embarassing

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/07/14/jesus-christs-return-to-earth/

bazjonster

NapaAddick said:

Rather embarassing

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/07/14/jesus-christs-return-to-earth/

But he's a Superstar mate; I've seen the musical!

iaitch

NapaAddick said:

Rather embarassing

pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2010/07/14/jesus-christs-return-to-earth/

If the Americans spot him on their radar they'll probably blow him out the sky.

McBobbin

I can't help feeling that getting involved is a mistake. I mean, the images of children being subject to chemical weapons attack is heart rendering, but when have we ever had a successful outcome from attacking? Serious question. What is considered a successful outcome?

I thought of Kosovo, but we were acting with NATO.

Libya and Iraq? Possibly, ISIS have been largely defeated.

Bedsaddick

McBobbin said:

I can't help feeling that getting involved is a mistake. I mean, the images of children being subject to chemical weapons attack is heart rendering, but when have we ever had a successful outcome from attacking? Serious question. What is considered a successful outcome?

I thought of Kosovo, but we were acting with NATO.

Libya and Iraq? Possibly, ISIS have been largely defeated.

There can be no successful outcome.
I’m with you . This is a massive mistake . We shouldn’t be getting involved.

nth_london_addick

Good and people should stop being so scared of Russia and Putin

Fuck Putin
Fuck Assad

Bomb the shit out of anyone using chemicals weapons on their people or our own

Shrew

I wonder about the effect of blowing up a so called chemical weapon storage facility on the ground which is close to residential areas, does it not have the same effect as dropping chemical weapons ?

RodneyCharltonTrotta

Good. It's about time we stood up to Assad and Putin. How much longer do you turn a blind eye to innocent people being slaughtered and gassed with Putin spinning his bollocks.

If it escalates so be it, but you can't let the threat of escalation deter you from appeasing evil and it sets a precedent and free pass for future tyrants to commit attrocities. No other methods or solutions have worked and I'm pleased Britain has stood up to the bastards.

i_b_b_o_r_g

Shrew said:

I wonder about the effect of blowing up a so called chemical weapon storage facility on the ground which is close to residential areas, does it not have the same effect as dropping chemical weapons ?

This is why I'm a proponent of the Gaviscon bomb

clb74

nth london addick said:

Good and people should stop being so scared of Russia and Putin

Fuck Putin
Fuck Assad

Bomb the shit out of anyone using chemicals weapons on their people or our own

I agree.
If someone like china started doing it would we get involved with them.

The_President

RodneyCharltonTrotta said:

Good. It's about time we stood up to Assad and Putin. How much longer do you turn a blind eye to innocent people being slaughtered and gassed with Putin spinning his bollocks.

If it escalates so be it, but you can't let the threat of escalation deter you from appeasing evil and it sets a precedent and free pass for future tyrants to commit attrocities. No other methods or solutions have worked and I'm pleased Britain has stood up to the bastards.

Sounds like a good party trick.

Jayajosh

Bedsaddick said:

McBobbin said:

I can't help feeling that getting involved is a mistake. I mean, the images of children being subject to chemical weapons attack is heart rendering, but when have we ever had a successful outcome from attacking? Serious question. What is considered a successful outcome?

I thought of Kosovo, but we were acting with NATO.

Libya and Iraq? Possibly, ISIS have been largely defeated.

There can be no successful outcome.
I’m with you . This is a massive mistake . We shouldn’t be getting involved.

I disagree, the Nazis would have taken over the entire planet had nobody stood up to such a horrific regime. The world should stand together against tyrants and use reasonable force as necessary. World Cup now looks doubtful given Russia’s stance that there will be consequences. Has there ever been world peace?

JohnBoyUK

Jayajosh said:

Bedsaddick said:

McBobbin said:

I can't help feeling that getting involved is a mistake. I mean, the images of children being subject to chemical weapons attack is heart rendering, but when have we ever had a successful outcome from attacking? Serious question. What is considered a successful outcome?

I thought of Kosovo, but we were acting with NATO.

Libya and Iraq? Possibly, ISIS have been largely defeated.

There can be no successful outcome.
I’m with you . This is a massive mistake . We shouldn’t be getting involved.

I disagree, the Nazis would have taken over the entire planet had nobody stood up to such a horrific regime. The world should stand together against tyrants and use reasonable force as necessary. World Cup now looks doubtful given Russia’s stance that there will consequences. Has there ever been world peace?

Why is the World Cup doubtful?

The_President

JohnBoyUK said:

Jayajosh said:

Bedsaddick said:

McBobbin said:

I can't help feeling that getting involved is a mistake. I mean, the images of children being subject to chemical weapons attack is heart rendering, but when have we ever had a successful outcome from attacking? Serious question. What is considered a successful outcome?

I thought of Kosovo, but we were acting with NATO.

Libya and Iraq? Possibly, ISIS have been largely defeated.

There can be no successful outcome.
I’m with you . This is a massive mistake . We shouldn’t be getting involved.

I disagree, the Nazis would have taken over the entire planet had nobody stood up to such a horrific regime. The world should stand together against tyrants and use reasonable force as necessary. World Cup now looks doubtful given Russia’s stance that there will consequences. Has there ever been world peace?

Why is the World Cup doubtful?

http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/81606/russia-world-cup#latest

JohnBoyUK

The_President said:

JohnBoyUK said:

Jayajosh said:

Bedsaddick said:

McBobbin said:

I can't help feeling that getting involved is a mistake. I mean, the images of children being subject to chemical weapons attack is heart rendering, but when have we ever had a successful outcome from attacking? Serious question. What is considered a successful outcome?

I thought of Kosovo, but we were acting with NATO.

Libya and Iraq? Possibly, ISIS have been largely defeated.

There can be no successful outcome.
I’m with you . This is a massive mistake . We shouldn’t be getting involved.

I disagree, the Nazis would have taken over the entire planet had nobody stood up to such a horrific regime. The world should stand together against tyrants and use reasonable force as necessary. World Cup now looks doubtful given Russia’s stance that there will consequences. Has there ever been world peace?

Why is the World Cup doubtful?

http://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/81606/russia-world-cup#latest

Ah ok, had somehow missed that thread!

carly burn

Big plays going on right now.

Syria is a key strategic state for the Russians.
It's home to some of their big military overseas bases. A key foothold in the Med and a potential diversion point for other states to build new fuel infrastructure into Europe hitting Russian exports hard.
They won't give this up easily. Why they've lit a beacon over it by allowing the use of chemical weapons is anyone's guess?
Putin has shown greater and greater hunger for unimaginable wealth in the past.
Looks like he might be trying to make a play for world domination!
World cup being cancelled could be the least of our worries.

Then there's Trump!

:-(

ShootersHillGuru

Extreme loss of face for the Russians here after all the rhetoric about how they were going to shoot down any missiles and hit platforms. Looks like they can’t or at best have been caught with their trousers round their ankles.

I hope they decide to only retaliate verbally because anything else is definitely bad for us all.

My opinion is that Putin will use this to whip up even further anti West feeling at home and smooth the way for him internally to find domestic support for his real ambitions which are to reclaim a buffer between Mother Russia and the West.

Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia first on his list.

CharltonMadrid

I can understand why the US and the UK are getting involved to distract from domestic problems but am surprised that France are doing so too. Surely the strikes will end up killing far more civilians so quite hard to see why they are doing it on moral grounds, but can also see that it would be wrong not to act against the use of chemical weapons. It's all very worrying though with the potential of drawing in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Israel as well as Russia. Calm heads are needed and that's exactly what we don't have with Trump and Putin.

seth plum

Arms manufacturers will have a spring in their step this morning, and we plebs will be subject to the usual war porn.

Karim_myBagheri

ShootersHillGuru said:

Extreme loss of face for the Russians here after all the rhetoric about how they were going to shoot down any missiles and hit platforms. Looks like they can’t or at best have been caught with their trousers round their ankles.

I hope they decide to only retaliate verbally because anything else is definitely bad for us all.

My opinion is that Putin will use this to whip up even further anti West feeling at home and smooth the way for him internally to find domestic support for his real ambitions which are to reclaim a buffer between Mother Russia and the West.

Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia first on his list.

heard a conflicting report on this as some of the missiles were intercepted by Assad's Russian made/backed missile defence system.

RodneyCharltonTrotta

We have become so pampered and comfortable in our lives. None of us strive for the basics in life like the majority of the world outside the west do in terms of food, shelter etc.

In turn we have become self- obsessed narcissistic and in our little bubbles consumed by our new opiate of celebrity, premier league football and mass consumerism.

Ironically we have never been better connected to the world but never been so insulated and inward looking.

We have developed a NIMBY approach to world affairs of shiteing ourselves of standing up and getting involved for fear of reprisals and any impact on our comfortable existence.

It's understandable and human nature but at the same time we've lost our humanity and backbone to a degree that we have become so desensitised to images of gassed children coming in through our 50 inch HD tvs that we whimper that we shouldn't get involved and it's not our battle for the fear that it may escalate and affect our comparative utopias.

We talk the talk in our daily lives and on social media about how we are good and great and stand up to it but when it comes down to it it's largely just talk.

A few generations ago people were giving their lives for what was right in 2 world wars, to fight evil in the second, and thank goodness they did.

I demonstrated sheer cowardice years back when Obama wished to go in and in an act of self preservation breathed a huge sigh of relief that our politicians voted to bow down to Putin's threats. I've felt deep shame about that ever since and every time images of Syrian suffering have been broadcast in the ensuing years.

I am not a fan of May and take issue with 99% of what Trump does but on this issue they are right. For all the gargantuan faults of the UK and US and misguided campaigns and foreign policy they've done the right thing.

The consequences of escalation are terrifying and as the father of 2 young children I'm not being flippant.

But what sort of people would we be and what sort of country and world would we live in if we just continue to turn a blind eye to such atrocities and appease the likes of Putin and Assad at the detriment of thousands of innocent men, women and children.

Not in my name.

EveshamAddick

Given that the Russians and Syrians have said the chemical weapons attack last week was somehow staged, any attack should have been held off until the Organisation for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons has carried out its inspection, which is due to start today. Once their use last week was confirmed, then it is legitimate to take action.

Stu_of_Kunming

CharltonMadrid said:

I can understand why the US and the UK are getting involved to distract from domestic problems but am surprised that France are doing so too. Surely the strikes will end up killing far more civilians so quite hard to see why they are doing it on moral grounds, but can also see that it would be wrong not to act against the use of chemical weapons. It's all very worrying though with the potential of drawing in Saudi Arabia, Iran and Israel as well as Russia. Calm heads are needed and that's exactly what we don't have with Trump and Putin.

Macron left himself very little choice, whilst on the campaign trail he made it clear if any state crossed the red line of using chemical weapons he would act, Syria used those weapons, he's acted. It shows he's a man of his word and good on him for doing so.

Shrew

Jayajosh said:

Bedsaddick said:

McBobbin said:

I can't help feeling that getting involved is a mistake. I mean, the images of children being subject to chemical weapons attack is heart rendering, but when have we ever had a successful outcome from attacking? Serious question. What is considered a successful outcome?

I thought of Kosovo, but we were acting with NATO.

Libya and Iraq? Possibly, ISIS have been largely defeated.

There can be no successful outcome.
I’m with you . This is a massive mistake . We shouldn’t be getting involved.

I disagree, the Nazis would have taken over the entire planet had nobody stood up to such a horrific regime. The world should stand together against tyrants and use reasonable force as necessary. World Cup now looks doubtful given Russia’s stance that there will be consequences. Has there ever been world peace?

But a couple of years ago it was ISA that was the threat to the world and Syrian and Russian forces have pretty much seen them off, it really not as simple as you make out

hoof_it_up_to_benty

Ridiculous action - no long term strategy. The bombing is utterly pointless if there is no long term plan.

Only a moron would think this was a good idea.