Winnie Mandela RIP
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Yes. After it was privatised.clb74 said:Did the maggie thatcher thread get closed
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The MT thread was closed due to people celebrating her passing. As far as I can see, no one has celebrated WM's death yet0
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Convicted by a state that terrorised the vast majority of it's population.Croydon said:
This. But people love Mandela, who despite all his good work was a convicted terrorist.Leroy Ambrose said:Nasty bit of work. Leave it at that.
I think who the terrorists are is very clear and it certainly wasn't Mandela.5 -
That's Winnie Mandela, not Warren Mitchelli_b_b_o_r_g said:The MT thread was closed due to people celebrating her passing. As far as I can see, no one has celebrated WM's death yet
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Shocking how someone can be so driven by social justice and become so psychopathic.
A tragedy for Nelson Mandela who strove so hard for reconciliation humanity and justice that in addition to 27 years torture and imprisonment he had to suffer the indignity of Winnie using his name to build her own very different empire.4 -
Thread should be closed Ibborg.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
That's Winnie Mandela, not Warren Mitchelli_b_b_o_r_g said:The MT thread was closed due to people celebrating her passing. As far as I can see, no one has celebrated WM's death yet
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But a great many did without ordering the murder of others...PaddyP17 said:
Most humans don't campaign like she did against systematic oppression on the basis of race.SporadicAddick said:
most humans don't order the murder of others - I'd err on the side of bad...PaddyP17 said:This one isn't black and white (might be a better choice of phrase here, but I can't be arsed to find it).
She did an amazing amount of work against apartheid, but then subsequently backed necklacing and other horrendous practices. A character both good and bad - human, like all of us - and I will leave judgement to the South Africans.
Like I tried to point out, this is a pretty cyclical argument. I'm not familiar enough with all the nuance so I'm going leave judgement to South Africans and predominantly British white males on football forums who have a far better understanding of racial inequality than I do.2 -
So he didn't sanction the bombing of church street then?iainment said:
Convicted by a state that terrorised the vast majority of it's population.Croydon said:
This. But people love Mandela, who despite all his good work was a convicted terrorist.Leroy Ambrose said:Nasty bit of work. Leave it at that.
I think who the terrorists are is very clear and it certainly wasn't Mandela.0 -
Pardew favourite for the Mandela United FC managers job.8
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Apparently not.Croydon said:
So he didn't sanction the bombing of church street then?iainment said:
Convicted by a state that terrorised the vast majority of it's population.Croydon said:
This. But people love Mandela, who despite all his good work was a convicted terrorist.Leroy Ambrose said:Nasty bit of work. Leave it at that.
I think who the terrorists are is very clear and it certainly wasn't Mandela.1 - Sponsored links:
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Admirably quick editing.Croydon said:
So he didn't sanction the bombing of church street then?iainment said:
Convicted by a state that terrorised the vast majority of it's population.Croydon said:
This. But people love Mandela, who despite all his good work was a convicted terrorist.Leroy Ambrose said:Nasty bit of work. Leave it at that.
I think who the terrorists are is very clear and it certainly wasn't Mandela.1 -
Sssoooooooooo
Would ya?
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Still open then1
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Knew I'd get pulled on itBournemouth Addick said:
Admirably quick editing.Croydon said:
So he didn't sanction the bombing of church street then?iainment said:
Convicted by a state that terrorised the vast majority of it's population.Croydon said:
This. But people love Mandela, who despite all his good work was a convicted terrorist.Leroy Ambrose said:Nasty bit of work. Leave it at that.
I think who the terrorists are is very clear and it certainly wasn't Mandela.
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RIP0
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Now or last week?cafcdave123 said:Sssoooooooooo
Would ya?3 -
But the fact remains that she was a prominent anti-apartheid campaigner.SporadicAddick said:
But a great many did without ordering the murder of others...PaddyP17 said:
Most humans don't campaign like she did against systematic oppression on the basis of race.SporadicAddick said:
most humans don't order the murder of others - I'd err on the side of bad...PaddyP17 said:This one isn't black and white (might be a better choice of phrase here, but I can't be arsed to find it).
She did an amazing amount of work against apartheid, but then subsequently backed necklacing and other horrendous practices. A character both good and bad - human, like all of us - and I will leave judgement to the South Africans.
Like I tried to point out, this is a pretty cyclical argument. I'm not familiar enough with all the nuance so I'm going leave judgement to South Africans and predominantly British white males on football forums who have a far better understanding of racial inequality than I do.
See? Circles.0 -
A mix of the great - first ever black social worker in South Africa, head girl in her school , courageous advocate of social justice , radicalised Nelson Mandela in his early days and for 30 years stood against a corrupt racist government who oppressed black people in the most barbaric of ways
And unfortunately the worst - Later in her life she behaved appallingly allegedly sanctioning murder and torture of political opponents.
Most of us , if honest are deeply flawed , though I might contend that the vast majority of us will not exemplify the courage and tenacity in face of such appalling opposition, neither will we sink so low to snuff out opponents or enemies in the way WM did
The paradox of humanity
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People on here were split over Maggie as they are on Winnie so why's this thread still open?0
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Why are you so desperate to get it closed.clb74 said:People on here were split over Maggie as they are on Winnie so why's this thread still open?
As stated above the Thatcher thread was closed because alot of people were laughing and saying they were glaf she died and how good it.
So far that hasnt really happened on this thread.
If you closed every thread because there is a discussion aboout if you like the person or not then pretty much every thread would be closed
BTW CLB54 if you dont like the thread instead of going on it and keep posting that it should be closed, just dont go on the thread yourself its quite simple.0 -
Paulie I shouldn't have to mock someone's death or laugh for the thread to be closed.
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Not to the best of my recollection. A few.paulie8290 said:
Why are you so desperate to get it closed.clb74 said:People on here were split over Maggie as they are on Winnie so why's this thread still open?
As stated above the Thatcher thread was closed because alot of people were laughing and saying they were glaf she died and how good it.
So far that hasnt really happened on this thread.
If you closed every thread because there is a discussion aboout if you like the person or not then pretty much every thread would be closed
BTW CLB54 if you dont like the thread instead of going on it and keep posting that it should be closed, just dont go on the thread yourself its quite simple.0 -
So why are u desperate for it to be closedclb74 said:Paulie I shouldn't have to mock someone's death or laugh for the thread to be closed.
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RIP1
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I admire your consistency.Brendan_O_Connell said:RIP
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Oh well, never mind.0
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Some shocking reactions on twitter from South African accounts, apparently white hatred and jealousy are the reasons why people don’t like her, I’m guessing the history books aren’t very accurate there.0
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Ironic then that the victims of the kidappings and savage murders she was linked to were all blackPaddyP17 said:
But the fact remains that she was a prominent anti-apartheid campaigner.SporadicAddick said:
But a great many did without ordering the murder of others...PaddyP17 said:
Most humans don't campaign like she did against systematic oppression on the basis of race.SporadicAddick said:
most humans don't order the murder of others - I'd err on the side of bad...PaddyP17 said:This one isn't black and white (might be a better choice of phrase here, but I can't be arsed to find it).
She did an amazing amount of work against apartheid, but then subsequently backed necklacing and other horrendous practices. A character both good and bad - human, like all of us - and I will leave judgement to the South Africans.
Like I tried to point out, this is a pretty cyclical argument. I'm not familiar enough with all the nuance so I'm going leave judgement to South Africans and predominantly British white males on football forums who have a far better understanding of racial inequality than I do.
See? Circles.1 -
Power corrupts people - doesn't matter what colour they are.i_b_b_o_r_g said:
Ironic then that the victims of the kidappings and savage murders she was linked to were all blackPaddyP17 said:
But the fact remains that she was a prominent anti-apartheid campaigner.SporadicAddick said:
But a great many did without ordering the murder of others...PaddyP17 said:
Most humans don't campaign like she did against systematic oppression on the basis of race.SporadicAddick said:
most humans don't order the murder of others - I'd err on the side of bad...PaddyP17 said:This one isn't black and white (might be a better choice of phrase here, but I can't be arsed to find it).
She did an amazing amount of work against apartheid, but then subsequently backed necklacing and other horrendous practices. A character both good and bad - human, like all of us - and I will leave judgement to the South Africans.
Like I tried to point out, this is a pretty cyclical argument. I'm not familiar enough with all the nuance so I'm going leave judgement to South Africans and predominantly British white males on football forums who have a far better understanding of racial inequality than I do.
See? Circles.0
