Same comments from the same people shouting down someone who has a different view to their own.
I think his time had run and I think a change was due, but I look back to where the club and the team were when he was appointed and ask if we are in a better place?
To my mind we have better, younger, and fitter players who can, and have, played better football than the team we had before. It is to his credit that he achieved this with very little money, working for Roland and the lies, and with the uncertainty of a takeover.
He tried his best and gave his all for our club and I thank him for that and wish him well in his career.
Backed him until recently where his tactical inflexibility and obvious disdain at what was going on behind the scenes lead to some very poor football.
That being said find some of the anger and abuse directed towards him by fans very wierd. Yes the bloke is full of fake platitudes, but so are 90% of football managers and players who just say uncontroversial fluff that they think fans and media want to hear.
From what I've heard from neutral friends who have met him is that he actually comes across as a pleasant, enthusiastic (maybe overly) and very professional guy. I'm slightly dubious about this last point as he clearly manouevered himself into a position to take the Oxford job - though who with an uncertain future and family support wouldn't do something similar?
At the end of the day he probably ended up doing around an average job at Charlton and was probably not helped by what was going on behind the scenes. However he knew what he was getting himself into, and we still had a talented squad, so I do not have much sympathy there.
I just hope for this take over to go through next week as everything around the club is so toxic at the moment.
we've spent 18 months treading water the fat scouse gobshite hasn't been Charlton's biggest problem through his tenure he took the job knowing full well how farcical the whole setup was (and still is) he had already dubbed us a basket case, but roly's money was good enough after all form has proved again to be temporary despite the (relative) resources, we're still a midtable 3rd division outfit he's taken a chance with another new football owner who can reasonably be assumed to know the square root of naff all about Oxford or its team and a sight less than even 1D-Karlo knows about how to run a club successfully In the immediate future we're better off without him (repeating the same process in expectation of different results etc) In the short term we need regime change The FSG will prove no more than a footnote in one of Charlton's darkest periods. If our paths cross in the near future I'm sure he'll get pelters
we've spent 18 months treading water the fat scouse gobshite hasn't been Charlton's biggest problem through his tenure he took the job knowing full well how farcical the whole setup was (and still is) he had already dubbed us a basket case, but roly's money was good enough after all form has proved again to be temporary despite the (relative) resources, we're still a midtable 3rd division outfit he's taken a chance with another new football owner who can reasonably be assumed to know the square root of naff all about Oxford or its team and a sight less than even 1D-Karlo knows about how to run a club successfully In the immediate future we're better off without him (repeating the same process in expectation of different results etc) In the short term we need regime change The FSG will prove no more than a footnote in one of Charlton's darkest periods. If our paths cross in the near future I'm sure he'll get pelters
That's poor. 'Despite the resources'? Duchatelet being wealthy didn't mean Karl had resources. Still he's gone. Looking forward to seeing what Bowyer can do, and who's available tomorrow.
we've spent 18 months treading water the fat scouse gobshite hasn't been Charlton's biggest problem through his tenure he took the job knowing full well how farcical the whole setup was (and still is) he had already dubbed us a basket case, but roly's money was good enough after all form has proved again to be temporary despite the (relative) resources, we're still a midtable 3rd division outfit he's taken a chance with another new football owner who can reasonably be assumed to know the square root of naff all about Oxford or its team and a sight less than even 1D-Karlo knows about how to run a club successfully In the immediate future we're better off without him (repeating the same process in expectation of different results etc) In the short term we need regime change The FSG will prove no more than a footnote in one of Charlton's darkest periods. If our paths cross in the near future I'm sure he'll get pelters
Do your comments equally apply to both Bowyer and JJ in that they both knew what a the set up was?
we've spent 18 months treading water the fat scouse gobshite hasn't been Charlton's biggest problem through his tenure he took the job knowing full well how farcical the whole setup was (and still is) he had already dubbed us a basket case, but roly's money was good enough after all form has proved again to be temporary despite the (relative) resources, we're still a midtable 3rd division outfit he's taken a chance with another new football owner who can reasonably be assumed to know the square root of naff all about Oxford or its team and a sight less than even 1D-Karlo knows about how to run a club successfully In the immediate future we're better off without him (repeating the same process in expectation of different results etc) In the short term we need regime change The FSG will prove no more than a footnote in one of Charlton's darkest periods. If our paths cross in the near future I'm sure he'll get pelters
So you didn't like him then? We would never had guessed.
FORGET HIM, HE WAS A VERY AVERAGE MANAGER, WHO TALKED A LOT OF BULLSHIT. WHEN OUR GUY ASKED HIM ABOUT BEING APPROACHED BY OXFORD, HIS RESPONSE WAS SIMILAR TOO A TYPICAL 051 CAR THIEF.............YEH WAH ME.......I KNOW NUTTON PAL!!
Same comments from the same people shouting down someone who has a different view to their own.
I think his time had run and I think a change was due, but I look back to where the club and the team were when he was appointed and ask if we are in a better place?
To my mind we have better, younger, and fitter players who can, and have, played better football than the team we had before. It is to his credit that he achieved this with very little money, working for Roland and the lies, and with the uncertainty of a takeover.
He tried his best and gave his all for our club and I thank him for that and wish him well in his career.
Absolutely agree with all of this, spot on evaluation in my opinion. Inability/stubborness to change cost him a bit but think he would have done better or been more fondly remembered under different circumstances.
Read through the facebook comments in the clubs official announcements about his departure. Truly scary how many thought he is a good manager who was hamstrung by the owners, injuries and bad luck. Just goes to show you can fool a lot of the people a lot of the time. That's the only explanation I can think of why he gets employed in football.
FORGET HIM, HE WAS A VERY AVERAGE MANAGER, WHO TALKED A LOT OF BULLSHIT. WHEN OUR GUY ASKED HIM ABOUT BEING APPROACHED BY OXFORD, HIS RESPONSE WAS SIMILAR TOO A TYPICAL 051 CAR THIEF.............YEH WAH ME.......I KNOW NUTTON PAL!!
Read through the facebook comments in the clubs official announcements about his departure. Truly scary how many thought he is a good manager who was hamstrung by the owners, injuries and bad luck. Just goes to show you can fool a lot of the people a lot of the time. That's the only explanation I can think of why he gets employed in football.
Wrong thread for this sort of comment, but maybe they are not the fools?
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I think his time had run and I think a change was due, but I look back to where the club and the team were when he was appointed and ask if we are in a better place?
To my mind we have better, younger, and fitter players who can, and have, played better football than the team we had before. It is to his credit that he achieved this with very little money, working for Roland and the lies, and with the uncertainty of a takeover.
He tried his best and gave his all for our club and I thank him for that and wish him well in his career.
That being said find some of the anger and abuse directed towards him by fans very wierd. Yes the bloke is full of fake platitudes, but so are 90% of football managers and players who just say uncontroversial fluff that they think fans and media want to hear.
From what I've heard from neutral friends who have met him is that he actually comes across as a pleasant, enthusiastic (maybe overly) and very professional guy. I'm slightly dubious about this last point as he clearly manouevered himself into a position to take the Oxford job - though who with an uncertain future and family support wouldn't do something similar?
At the end of the day he probably ended up doing around an average job at Charlton and was probably not helped by what was going on behind the scenes. However he knew what he was getting himself into, and we still had a talented squad, so I do not have much sympathy there.
I just hope for this take over to go through next week as everything around the club is so toxic at the moment.
the fat scouse gobshite hasn't been Charlton's biggest problem through his tenure
he took the job knowing full well how farcical the whole setup was (and still is) he had already dubbed us a basket case, but roly's money was good enough after all
form has proved again to be temporary
despite the (relative) resources, we're still a midtable 3rd division outfit
he's taken a chance with another new football owner who can reasonably be assumed to know the square root of naff all about Oxford or its team and a sight less than even 1D-Karlo knows about how to run a club successfully
In the immediate future we're better off without him (repeating the same process in expectation of different results etc)
In the short term we need regime change
The FSG will prove no more than a footnote in one of Charlton's darkest periods.
If our paths cross in the near future I'm sure he'll get pelters
HE WAS A VERY AVERAGE MANAGER, WHO TALKED A LOT OF BULLSHIT.
WHEN OUR GUY ASKED HIM ABOUT BEING APPROACHED BY OXFORD,
HIS RESPONSE WAS SIMILAR TOO A TYPICAL 051 CAR THIEF.............YEH WAH ME.......I KNOW NUTTON PAL!!