Things we won't discuss...
2) Jo Cox's husband being a self confessed sex pest.
Now what I find really interesting is that the BBC reports story 2) but not story 1).
Maybe story 1) has been discussed on other threads (I don't personally look at the long political threads on here) but surely a story of such magnitude deserves its own?
Story 2) is a very distasteful one and I understand that no one wants to bring it up because Jo Cox's story is one of the most awful cases in modern UK history.
Both stories been around for a few days now...
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2) Is horrible as he came out of his wife's murder looking like the kind of man we could all aspire to be. She was so young and had two young kids. Turns out he was a bit of a dick after all.
1) Don't like Jeremy but papers always have an agenda.7 -
Discussing these issues will offend the snowflakes so can you please just leave it?5
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Strongly suspect the Beeb haven't mentioned the Corbyn thing 'cos it's a load of old shit. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-czech-spy-response-labour-leader-cold-war-jan-dymic-mp-communist-eastern-bloc-a8212416.html
The Mail and The Sun have rather less qualms about editorial checking. If you wan't to start digging people out for having agendas, they'd be the first to expose every time.25 -
Black lives matter. 100 % correct, so why are the Black community so against the stop and search which could stop so many young black people killing other young black people ? Why aren't more questions asked about the dubious "friendships" of the Royal family with so many reprobates. Charles and Saville, Andrew and Kazakhstan oligarchs. Andrew and USA sex criminal. These things are muted but are quickly quashed by the powers that be.3
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I'll discuss these things2
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They just touched upon the jo cox’s husband story on peston0
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Corbyn a spy?
Was he across national secrets during his Parliamentary career?
Sounds like bollocks, we need detail regarding his betrayal rather than declaration that he looked a wrong un for wearing Communist headgear.7 -
The Corbin story must be bollocks.
We all know that Spies are suave, well dressed and debonair. No spy has ever been like a cross between a history teacher from the 70’s and Worzel Gummige.22 -
Tony Benn was against the common market and the conglomerate it became, the EU. So was his little disciple Jeremy Corbyn. Most of the new wave of young labour member and voters think the EU is the greatest creation since the internet. Discuss that conundrum.1
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Yep. Give us the detail.0
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The Independent's own agenda has been pretty clear over the last two years too, and that article is little more than quotations from the Labour press office - not exactly the finest source.. I urge you to read the thoughts of John Schindler - former NSA analyst and counterintelligence lecturer at the US Naval War College - and consider the context around the timing of those meetings.Stig said:Strongly suspect the Beeb haven't mentioned the Corbyn thing 'cos it's a load of old shit. http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jeremy-corbyn-czech-spy-response-labour-leader-cold-war-jan-dymic-mp-communist-eastern-bloc-a8212416.html
The Mail and The Sun have rather less qualms about editorial checking. If you wan't to start digging people out for having agendas, they'd be the first to expose every time.
London had expelled over 20 Eastern Bloc diplomats in the 12 months leading up to the meetings - meetings which have not been refuted - because it was well known that diplomatic cover was being abused for the purposes of intelligence collection. So what does that provide us?
1. Corbyn knowingly met a Czech diplomat on 3 occasions at a period where there was a high amount of coverage over similar diplomats were being expelled for intelligence collection.
2. Neither the Jeremy Corbyn, Labour Party, or the Czech Security Forces Archive have denied these meetings.
3. Corbyn was documented as discussing “issues along foreign counterintelligence", of which he was "very well informed".
4. The individual Corbyn met with - Jan Dymic - was subsequently expelled from the UK 3 years later.
Subsequently, Czech spy-handler Jan Sarkocy has now came to the front and claimed that he was Corbyn's handler (i.e the elusive Jan Dymic). How reliable his words are - available on Sky - remains to be seen, but considering he's not only the primary source, but also held the correct positions at the time.. it's difficult to dismiss his claims of paying JC.
With that context, it's increasing difficult to see how this can be disregarded as "a load of old shit". At the very least he was incredibly naive, almost unbelievably so.2 -
Corbyn story is total bollox made up by the shit rag that is the Sun that's why no TV news has mentioned it
Jo Coxs husband has admitted he made mistakes with the opposite sex, that's why it's true and reported on TV.
With all the right wing Tory press trying desperately and unsuccessfully to find shit about Corbyn I find it ironic that they dont hunt May down for giving one billion pounds of our money to a terrorist party to save her own job.
No Tory I know wants to question this for some reason?
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(a) It was hardly "made up" when the documents were sourced from the Czech Security Forces Archives.Greenie said:Corbyn story is total bollox made up by the shit rag that is the Sun that's why no TV news has mentioned it
Jo Coxs husband has admitted he made mistakes with the opposite sex, that's why it's true and reported on TV.
With all the right wing Tory press trying desperately and unsuccessfully to find shit about Corbyn I find it ironic that they dont hunt May down for giving one billion pounds of our money to a terrorist party to save her own job.
No Tory I know wants to question this for some reason?
(b) The DUP are utter scum, but it's hilarious to hear people describe that deal as if the DUP suddenly got £1,000,000,000 right in to their bank accounts. The funding was for Northern Ireland as a whole - i.e Government money going to an area it's responsible for.5 -
You could have started the discussion yourself I suppose, rather than pursue some weird agenda that CL and the BBC is a hotbed of Momentum activists but hey ho...Riviera said:1) Jeremy Corbyn accused by TWO national newspapers as an informant to the Eastern Bloc intelligence services in the 1970/80's
2) Jo Cox's husband being a self confessed sex pest.
Now what I find really interesting is that the BBC reports story 2) but not story 1).
Maybe story 1) has been discussed on other threads (I don't personally look at the long political threads on here) but surely a story of such magnitude deserves its own?
Story 2) is a very distasteful one and I understand that no one wants to bring it up because Jo Cox's story is one of the most awful cases in modern UK history.
Both stories been around for a few days now...
FWIW I've just read the Telepgraph piece which is so short on any detail it's laughable. It's based on the word of one man claiming to have met Corbyn et al at various times for reasons unspecified and includes reference to McDonnell meeting with spies in places he'd never been until last year for a Labour party meeting. As Red Ken himself puts it, as a backbench MP without access to anything, what could he have told them?
The Czech Security Forces are quoted in the article themselves as having no record of Corbyn as being a "registered collaborator" nor is there any record existing to support any collaboration.
I'm no big fan of those allegedly involved but with even a cursory reading of the article it's obviously little more than a poor attempt at proping up the confirmation bias for their readers.8 -
I am intrigued as to which national secrets Corbyn would have had access to. He was never in power.
Maybe Corbyn is a 'sleeper' for Czechoslovakia.
Maybe Rees Mogg is a sleeper for the Illuminati.
Maybe Gove is a sleeper for worldwide Masonic domination.
Maybe Goldilocks is a sleeper.
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..that's not really a fair account of what's going on though.Bournemouth Addick said:
You could have started the discussion yourself I suppose, rather than pursue some weird agenda that CL and the BBC is a hotbed of Momentum activists but hey ho...Riviera said:1) Jeremy Corbyn accused by TWO national newspapers as an informant to the Eastern Bloc intelligence services in the 1970/80's
2) Jo Cox's husband being a self confessed sex pest.
Now what I find really interesting is that the BBC reports story 2) but not story 1).
Maybe story 1) has been discussed on other threads (I don't personally look at the long political threads on here) but surely a story of such magnitude deserves its own?
Story 2) is a very distasteful one and I understand that no one wants to bring it up because Jo Cox's story is one of the most awful cases in modern UK history.
Both stories been around for a few days now...
FWIW I've just read the Telepgraph piece which is so short on any detail it's laughable. It's based on the word of one man claiming to have met Corbyn et al at various times for reasons unspecified and includes reference to McDonnell meeting with spies in places he'd never been until last year for a Labour party meeting. As Red Ken himself puts it, as a backbench MP without access to anything, what could he have told them?
The Czech Security Forces are quoted in the article themselves as having no record of Corbyn as being a "registered collaborator" nor is there any record existing to support any collaboration.
I'm no big fan of those allegedly involved but with even a cursory reading of the article it's obviously little more than a poor attempt at proping up the confirmation bias for their readers.
The meetings have never been denied, and the records do exist that confirm the meetings met. Both the Czech Archives and Labour have confirmed the meetings took place, just denied that the meetings were that of a spy and his handler.
Once you have confirmation that the meetings took place, you then have the context of the timing - i.e diplomatic expulsions - in addition to the quotes made by the alleged Czech intelligence officer. Add in the well documented comments from the ex-head of MI6, and it's beginning to get quite difficult to ignore.
As I've mentioned above - personally I can't see Corbyn being a spy, if only because I doubt he'd possess the required insight or cunning. However, it would appear quite obvious he was at least being groomed, and was certainly very naive.
The Sun is a garbage source, and whilst the same can be said about subsequent outlets that have covered this situation, it's worth noting that even the undisputed facts - i.e the meetings and timings - are in themselves quite concerning.0 -
Brendan Cox - what a massive letdown!
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Good morning from Prague, @Riviera.
One reason why the BBC hasn't bothered much with the Corbyn Czech story is that as a well-resourced professional news organisation, they have experienced people on the ground in countries like this, unlike the Telegraph. So they already did their homework here and established that the story (and the chief protagonist) was a load of old bollocks. That's why the story is being laughed at here, and why many people for the first time are aware of the Telegraph, and not in a good way.9 -
Corbyn still drives the Trabant that he was given by the Stasi as a thank you for information about Lech Walesa12
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Bunch of right wingers in "trying to pretend they are not really digging out left wingers" shocker.
If you "...can't see Corbyn being a spy..." why waste time and energy pontificating about it? Just tell the OP that you think the reason why the Beeb isn't reporting it, is because its crap?
You are fooling no one. Why not worry about the pile of poo the Tories have created that is going on right now?3 - Sponsored links:
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It even scans!Curb_It said:Brendan Cox - what a massive letdown!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DVXgTz49wNk 0 -
It's quite possible to see issues on both sides of an argument, I'd even go as far as to say it's a part of being an adult.Algarveaddick said:Bunch of right wingers in "trying to pretend they are not really digging out left wingers" shocker.
If you "...can't see Corbyn being a spy..." why waste time and energy pontificating about it? Just tell the OP that you think the reason why the Beeb isn't reporting it, is because its crap?
You are fooling no one. Why not worry about the pile of poo the Tories have created that is going on right now?1 -
Abolutely - you should try it sometime.LuckyReds said:
It's quite possible to see issues on both sides of an argument, I'd even go as far as to say it's a part of being an adult.Algarveaddick said:Bunch of right wingers in "trying to pretend they are not really digging out left wingers" shocker.
If you "...can't see Corbyn being a spy..." why waste time and energy pontificating about it? Just tell the OP that you think the reason why the Beeb isn't reporting it, is because its crap?
You are fooling no one. Why not worry about the pile of poo the Tories have created that is going on right now?1 -
You know... nothing about me?Algarveaddick said:
Abolutely - you should try it sometime.LuckyReds said:
It's quite possible to see issues on both sides of an argument, I'd even go as far as to say it's a part of being an adult.Algarveaddick said:Bunch of right wingers in "trying to pretend they are not really digging out left wingers" shocker.
If you "...can't see Corbyn being a spy..." why waste time and energy pontificating about it? Just tell the OP that you think the reason why the Beeb isn't reporting it, is because its crap?
You are fooling no one. Why not worry about the pile of poo the Tories have created that is going on right now?
I've literally just finished writing a letter to my MP that's called out my own party as immoral and incomprehensible, before ending with: "Make no mistake, and I write this as a Conservative: the situation that our party has dealt the police shall go down in history as one of our greatest shames.". Hardly sounds like I'm blinded by playing party politics..
So.. erh... wind your neck in, and don't assume everyone is else is so blinded with partisanship that they can't see simple facts? I'm far from someone who constantly sings from a party hymn-sheet. Cheers.1 -
Also part of being an adult is being able to critically assess 'information'' before hanging your hat (aka starting a thread) on it.LuckyReds said:
It's quite possible to see issues on both sides of an argument, I'd even go as far as to say it's a part of being an adult.Algarveaddick said:Bunch of right wingers in "trying to pretend they are not really digging out left wingers" shocker.
If you "...can't see Corbyn being a spy..." why waste time and energy pontificating about it? Just tell the OP that you think the reason why the Beeb isn't reporting it, is because its crap?
You are fooling no one. Why not worry about the pile of poo the Tories have created that is going on right now?
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Can everyone stop being disingenuous please?
Corbyn was and is a socialist and it absolutely makes sense that he'd have looked to build relationships with other socialist thinkers across the globe. He clearly didn't want to build too close a relationship with the Eastern Bloc as the form of 'socialism' espoused there didn't sit well with him, but he sought dialogue, and as far as I'm concerned that's a good thing. He was a person of little influence and this kind of activity was doubtless undertaken in good faith and with a sense of his responsibilities to his constituency and his nation.
So yeah - maybe he met someone; maybe the story is being exaggerated or twisted to cause a sensation; maybe it's all bollocks. I don't think it really matters either way. The present reality of Corbyn is what you must seek to engage with. Otherwise I'll just repost those videos of Gove asking for a nubile young woman over and over again12 -
Surely now they are being discussed they shouldn't be on this thread ???10
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So.. erh... wind your neck in, and don't assume everyone is so blinded with partisanship to see simple facts? Cheers, bud.LuckyReds said:
You know... nothing about me?Algarveaddick said:
Abolutely - you should try it sometime.LuckyReds said:
It's quite possible to see issues on both sides of an argument, I'd even go as far as to say it's a part of being an adult.Algarveaddick said:Bunch of right wingers in "trying to pretend they are not really digging out left wingers" shocker.
If you "...can't see Corbyn being a spy..." why waste time and energy pontificating about it? Just tell the OP that you think the reason why the Beeb isn't reporting it, is because its crap?
You are fooling no one. Why not worry about the pile of poo the Tories have created that is going on right now?
I've literally just finished writing a letter to my MP that ends with:Not only does the Conservative party’s treatment of the police seem incomprehensible with regards to history, and it’s traditional values, but it also appears to be little more than an immoral gamble being played with the lives of those we rely upon the most.
Make no mistake, and I write this as a Conservative: the situation that our party has dealt the police shall go down in history as one of our greatest shames.
You rebel! I bet you wore non-uniform socks to school once too...0 -
Agreed wholeheartedly, I took exception to the "bunch of right wingers" comment though as clearly that would include me - as I think I'm one of the only ones suggesting that there may actually be more than meets the eye.PragueAddick said:
Also part of being an adult is being able to critically assess 'information'' before hanging your hat (aka starting a thread) on it.LuckyReds said:
It's quite possible to see issues on both sides of an argument, I'd even go as far as to say it's a part of being an adult.Algarveaddick said:Bunch of right wingers in "trying to pretend they are not really digging out left wingers" shocker.
If you "...can't see Corbyn being a spy..." why waste time and energy pontificating about it? Just tell the OP that you think the reason why the Beeb isn't reporting it, is because its crap?
You are fooling no one. Why not worry about the pile of poo the Tories have created that is going on right now?
As mentioned above, numerous times, those thinking Corbyn was some kind of spy have clearly been misled; but it doesn't seem a huge leap to argue that he was actively being groomed. I think that even fits in with the Czech Security Forces Archive's statement (via Svetlana Ptáčníková) - which only confirms he was not a collaborator? There's been no argument around the meetings, merely the nature of them; and I've pointed towards why the timing of those meetings raises a few eyebrows.0 -
The issue here is how and why the story is being reported. It is not in the national interest. It is not in the public interest. It is because the increasingly right-wing press is shook.0
