Actually the second one looks really odd, as it clearly was a foul, but the ref didnt blow up before the defender picked the ball up. The home team is Magdeburg, BTW, another East German team on the up without any plastic help.
Meanwhile in that 18-club league Schalke, in 13th place also drew 2-2 with Hertha Berlin. The attendance was 62,000!!
There's some pretty big teams in the Bundesliga 2.
Schalke, Hamburg, Cologne, Hertha Berlin, Kaiserslautern. All of them get bigger crowds than the vast majority of the Bundesliga.
Actually the second one looks really odd, as it clearly was a foul, but the ref didnt blow up before the defender picked the ball up. The home team is Magdeburg, BTW, another East German team on the up without any plastic help.
Meanwhile in that 18-club league Schalke, in 13th place also drew 2-2 with Hertha Berlin. The attendance was 62,000!!
There's some pretty big teams in the Bundesliga 2.
Schalke, Hamburg, Cologne, Hertha Berlin, Kaiserslautern. All of them get bigger crowds than the vast majority of the Bundesliga.
So your reply prompted me to look up attendances for the top 2 divisions of both leagues last season. I think you'll be as surprised as I was (my surprise mainly due to the FAPL media narrative, mind, I already knew Bundesliga figures are very respectable and under-rated)
I've been to a lot of Bundesliga matches (all Hertha Berlin). The highlight was the 2008-09 season where they almost took the title, I went to most of the home games. I must say, football in Germany is VASTLY superior as an experience to what we accept here. You can get on the beers, no issue at all. There's incredibly little fan violence or animosity, everyone gets on great. Fans over here somehow equate that to a lack of passion, which is complete nonsense, Hertha's core fan base is 10x more dedicated than anything you'll get in the covered end. Christ, you need to be dedicated to watch your team live when it's -20c outside (I've done it, it is horrible).
So we edge that, boosted by the mighty Addicks with the 4th highest attendance. Ah but there were two top league "B" teams playing in 3.Liga, which of course drags down their figure.
Well, well, well. I have never heard even fans of German football culture such as The Price of Football refer to these figures.
Went to Ulm Vs Nuremberg about a month ago,as we couldn't get tickets for 1860 Munich Vs Dresden, it was a fantastic experience. Great beer in the supporters club bar before the game, great food in the ground and more beer watching the game from the home terrace. Quality atmosphere. Game was decent, 2 last minute pens and a red card to boot. Love German football
I think the Premier League attendances aren't helped by the shite little grounds that some of the recent teams play in, Brentford, Palace, Bournemouth and Fulham in particular are all smaller than The Valley.
Will be interesting to see % of capacity is used, does every team sell out every week?
I think the Premier League attendances aren't helped by the shite little grounds that some of the recent teams play in, Brentford, Palace, Bournemouth and Fulham in particular are all smaller than The Valley.
Will be interesting to see % of capacity is used, does every team sell out every week?
I haven't come across any source of those figures yet, but I believe a lot of them are full every week. Union Berlin could easily sell double but there's a strong feeling to keep the club "for themselves" at 25,000. Leverkusen, the champions, only have a 30,000 capacity. Cologne sell out 50,000 every game and they are perennially rubbish in the top tier and getting relegated. And then there's Schalke...62,000 every week in the second tier, I can hardly get my head around that.
Actually the second one looks really odd, as it clearly was a foul, but the ref didnt blow up before the defender picked the ball up. The home team is Magdeburg, BTW, another East German team on the up without any plastic help.
Meanwhile in that 18-club league Schalke, in 13th place also drew 2-2 with Hertha Berlin. The attendance was 62,000!!
There's some pretty big teams in the Bundesliga 2.
Schalke, Hamburg, Cologne, Hertha Berlin, Kaiserslautern. All of them get bigger crowds than the vast majority of the Bundesliga.
So your reply prompted me to look up attendances for the top 2 divisions of both leagues last season. I think you'll be as surprised as I was (my surprise mainly due to the FAPL media narrative, mind, I already knew Bundesliga figures are very respectable and under-rated)
FAPL 38,584 1-Bundesliga 39,490
Championship 23,042 2- Bundesliga 29,189
PL numbers not helped there by the fact that it had both Luton and Bournemouth with 12k capacities.
Actually the second one looks really odd, as it clearly was a foul, but the ref didnt blow up before the defender picked the ball up. The home team is Magdeburg, BTW, another East German team on the up without any plastic help.
Meanwhile in that 18-club league Schalke, in 13th place also drew 2-2 with Hertha Berlin. The attendance was 62,000!!
There's some pretty big teams in the Bundesliga 2.
Schalke, Hamburg, Cologne, Hertha Berlin, Kaiserslautern. All of them get bigger crowds than the vast majority of the Bundesliga.
So your reply prompted me to look up attendances for the top 2 divisions of both leagues last season. I think you'll be as surprised as I was (my surprise mainly due to the FAPL media narrative, mind, I already knew Bundesliga figures are very respectable and under-rated)
FAPL 38,584 1-Bundesliga 39,490
Championship 23,042 2- Bundesliga 29,189
PL numbers not helped there by the fact that it had both Luton and Bournemouth with 12k capacities.
Sure but Germany can point to quite a few examples of constrained capacity too. And they dont have the opposite example, of a club with 20k higher attendances than they warrant, boosted by ten years and counting of constant “support” from the British taxpayer.
Dortmund currently leading Bayern 1-0 in Der Klassiker. Brilliant goal from Jamie Gittens who is still only 20 and is currently playing down the left, so he might well be in Tuchel's England plans.
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Schalke, Hamburg, Cologne, Hertha Berlin, Kaiserslautern. All of them get bigger crowds than the vast majority of the Bundesliga.
FAPL 38,584
1-Bundesliga 39,490
Championship 23,042
2- Bundesliga 29,189
League One: 9,702
3.Liga 9,639
So we edge that, boosted by the mighty Addicks with the 4th highest attendance. Ah but there were two top league "B" teams playing in 3.Liga, which of course drags down their figure.
Well, well, well. I have never heard even fans of German football culture such as The Price of Football refer to these figures.
Will be interesting to see % of capacity is used, does every team sell out every week?
Was in Cologne last November against Augsburg, full house, great atmosphere, football wasn't all that, Cologne bottom three, eventually got relegated.