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  • he just changed his name slightly. bloody bully.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oai1V7kaFBk

    that Pong, de Pong Pong Pong
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,039
    Anything communicated can be racist or sexist or whatever. It depends on the context and the relationship between those communicating.
  • Uboat
    Uboat Posts: 12,195
    iainment said:

    Anything communicated can be racist or sexist or whatever. It depends on the context and the relationship between those communicating.

    Far too subtle for this forum.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    iainment said:

    Anything communicated can be racist or sexist or whatever. It depends on the context and the relationship between those communicating.

    You never mentioned Homophobia thats a bit Homophobic of you :wink:
  • iainment
    iainment Posts: 8,039

    iainment said:

    Anything communicated can be racist or sexist or whatever. It depends on the context and the relationship between those communicating.

    You never mentioned Homophobia thats a bit Homophobic of you :wink:
    It falls within the whatever of my post. The list would otherwise have been too long. Unfortunately.
    Thanks for noticing!
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    edited January 2018
    Before I say anything no-one should recieve abuse online of any kind

    What I dont understand about the Holgate thing is why when Firmino spoke in a language Holgate cannot speak did Holgate instantly go to the race card
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,035

    Before I say anything no-one should recieve abuse online of any kind

    What I dont understand about the Holgate thing is why when Firmino spoke in a language Holgate cannot speak did Holgate instantly go to the race card
    Do you genuinely think that just because Firmino isn't fluent in English he can't say certain words?

    I have no idea what Firmino (or Jay Rodriguez) said, but I don't understand what the recipient of their comments command of English has to do with it.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    se9addick said:

    Before I say anything no-one should recieve abuse online of any kind

    What I dont understand about the Holgate thing is why when Firmino spoke in a language Holgate cannot speak did Holgate instantly go to the race card
    Do you genuinely think that just because Firmino isn't fluent in English he can't say certain words?

    I have no idea what Firmino (or Jay Rodriguez) said, but I don't understand what the recipient of their comments command of English has to do with it.
    But lip readers have confirmed Firminio spoke in portugese.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,035

    se9addick said:

    Before I say anything no-one should recieve abuse online of any kind

    What I dont understand about the Holgate thing is why when Firmino spoke in a language Holgate cannot speak did Holgate instantly go to the race card
    Do you genuinely think that just because Firmino isn't fluent in English he can't say certain words?

    I have no idea what Firmino (or Jay Rodriguez) said, but I don't understand what the recipient of their comments command of English has to do with it.
    But lip readers have confirmed Firminio spoke in portugese.
    Then maybe Holgate went to Madeira on holiday and picked up the local lingo, what point are you making ?
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  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    edited January 2018
    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    Before I say anything no-one should recieve abuse online of any kind

    What I dont understand about the Holgate thing is why when Firmino spoke in a language Holgate cannot speak did Holgate instantly go to the race card
    Do you genuinely think that just because Firmino isn't fluent in English he can't say certain words?

    I have no idea what Firmino (or Jay Rodriguez) said, but I don't understand what the recipient of their comments command of English has to do with it.
    But lip readers have confirmed Firminio spoke in portugese.
    Then maybe Holgate went to Madeira on holiday and picked up the local lingo, what point are you making ?
    That Holgate heard Fimino say something in foreign and assumes its racist.

    You say maybe he understands the lingo then surely he would have known what firmino said
    Es maluco, filho da puta

    Which translates as
    Are you crazy, you son of a b***h
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,035

    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    Before I say anything no-one should recieve abuse online of any kind

    What I dont understand about the Holgate thing is why when Firmino spoke in a language Holgate cannot speak did Holgate instantly go to the race card
    Do you genuinely think that just because Firmino isn't fluent in English he can't say certain words?

    I have no idea what Firmino (or Jay Rodriguez) said, but I don't understand what the recipient of their comments command of English has to do with it.
    But lip readers have confirmed Firminio spoke in portugese.
    Then maybe Holgate went to Madeira on holiday and picked up the local lingo, what point are you making ?
    That Holgate heard Fimino say something in foreign and assumes its racist.

    You say maybe he understands the lingo then surely he would have known what firmino said
    Es maluco, filho da puta

    Which translates as
    Are you crazy, you son of a b***h
    Isn't the investigation of that incident still underway ?
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    Before I say anything no-one should recieve abuse online of any kind

    What I dont understand about the Holgate thing is why when Firmino spoke in a language Holgate cannot speak did Holgate instantly go to the race card
    Do you genuinely think that just because Firmino isn't fluent in English he can't say certain words?

    I have no idea what Firmino (or Jay Rodriguez) said, but I don't understand what the recipient of their comments command of English has to do with it.
    But lip readers have confirmed Firminio spoke in portugese.
    Then maybe Holgate went to Madeira on holiday and picked up the local lingo, what point are you making ?
    That Holgate heard Fimino say something in foreign and assumes its racist.

    You say maybe he understands the lingo then surely he would have known what firmino said
    Es maluco, filho da puta

    Which translates as
    Are you crazy, you son of a b***h
    Isn't the investigation of that incident still underway ?
    By the Fa
    But media outlets have reported on numerous occassion that proffesional lip readers have confirmed thats what was said.

    Obviously if The FA reports something different then I will retract everything.

    But based on the knowledge so far, I was asking Holgate heard something in a foreign language and assumed it was racist
  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446

    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    Before I say anything no-one should recieve abuse online of any kind

    What I dont understand about the Holgate thing is why when Firmino spoke in a language Holgate cannot speak did Holgate instantly go to the race card
    Do you genuinely think that just because Firmino isn't fluent in English he can't say certain words?

    I have no idea what Firmino (or Jay Rodriguez) said, but I don't understand what the recipient of their comments command of English has to do with it.
    But lip readers have confirmed Firminio spoke in portugese.
    Then maybe Holgate went to Madeira on holiday and picked up the local lingo, what point are you making ?
    That Holgate heard Fimino say something in foreign and assumes its racist.

    You say maybe he understands the lingo then surely he would have known what firmino said
    Es maluco, filho da puta

    Which translates as
    Are you crazy, you son of a b***h
    Isn't the investigation of that incident still underway ?
    By the Fa
    But media outlets have reported on numerous occassion that proffesional lip readers have confirmed thats what was said.

    Obviously if The FA reports something different then I will retract everything.

    But based on the knowledge so far, I was asking Holgate heard something in a foreign language and assumed it was racist
    Your knowledge is believing lip readers.

    They aren't 100% accurate, I'd wait for the full report to come out before assuming anything.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,741
    It’s a fair point......I mean how did Evra know that negrito was racist?
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,035

    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    Before I say anything no-one should recieve abuse online of any kind

    What I dont understand about the Holgate thing is why when Firmino spoke in a language Holgate cannot speak did Holgate instantly go to the race card
    Do you genuinely think that just because Firmino isn't fluent in English he can't say certain words?

    I have no idea what Firmino (or Jay Rodriguez) said, but I don't understand what the recipient of their comments command of English has to do with it.
    But lip readers have confirmed Firminio spoke in portugese.
    Then maybe Holgate went to Madeira on holiday and picked up the local lingo, what point are you making ?
    That Holgate heard Fimino say something in foreign and assumes its racist.

    You say maybe he understands the lingo then surely he would have known what firmino said
    Es maluco, filho da puta

    Which translates as
    Are you crazy, you son of a b***h
    Isn't the investigation of that incident still underway ?
    By the Fa
    But media outlets have reported on numerous occassion that proffesional lip readers have confirmed thats what was said.

    Obviously if The FA reports something different then I will retract everything.

    But based on the knowledge so far, I was asking Holgate heard something in a foreign language and assumed it was racist
    Righto.
  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    edited January 2018
    Back to what this thread was about i have found a videofor those who havent seen it
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,035

    Back to what this thread was about i have found a videofor those who havent seen it

    Right, so Rodeiguez looks like he's speaking at the same time as making the gesture - have the lip readers figured out what he's saying ?
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    A lot of people talking about "The race card" like it's the US in the 90s.

    The race card is not a thing. Racism is a thing.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,741
    se9addick said:

    Back to what this thread was about i have found a videofor those who havent seen it

    Right, so Rodeiguez looks like he's speaking at the same time as making the gesture - have the lip readers figured out what he's saying ?
    Unfortunately the lip readers are Portuguese so don’t have a clue.
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  • paulie8290
    paulie8290 Posts: 23,344
    se9addick said:

    Back to what this thread was about i have found a videofor those who havent seen it

    Right, so Rodeiguez looks like he's speaking at the same time as making the gesture - have the lip readers figured out what he's saying ?
    No but if you read my post, I havent said anything about what Rodriguez said,

    All I have said regarding Rodriguez is Bong gets close to him, he holds his nose and makes a hand gesture as if to say his breath was smelly
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,035

    se9addick said:

    Back to what this thread was about i have found a videofor those who havent seen it

    Right, so Rodeiguez looks like he's speaking at the same time as making the gesture - have the lip readers figured out what he's saying ?
    Unfortunately the lip readers are Portuguese so don’t have a clue.
    Ah that's a massive flaw in the process.
  • Big_Bad_World
    Big_Bad_World Posts: 5,859
    edited January 2018
    SDAddick said:



    The race card is not a thing. Racism is a thing.

    Tell that to the officers who had the very same card slapped in their face by Trevor Sinclair.

    What an utterly ludicrous thing to suggest.

    The race card is very much alive and kicking. As is racism. Both are equally f***ing horrible. One due to the implications it has on those falsely accused and the other due to it being an absolutely abhorrent mindset to have, let alone forcing it on someone.

    It's on a similar line as false rape/child molestation accusations. The stigma ruins lives.
  • seth plum
    seth plum Posts: 53,448
    Apologies for not having read this whole thread, and it may already have been mentioned, but this event comes hard on the heels of Trump calling African countries 'shitholes', and of course shit mainly stinks.
    I am probably over wired to this kind of thing, but I interpreted the smell gesture as racist because of the recent behaviour of the President of the United States. Bong was born in Cameroon.
    It wasn't exactly a nice thing to do on the part of Rodriguez, and we also don't know what was said in addition.
  • uie2
    uie2 Posts: 4,596

    Back to what this thread was about i have found a videofor those who havent seen it

    That's disgusting by Rodriquez!!!!
  • Rothko
    Rothko Posts: 18,802
    Something like this happened in the Champions Cup Rugby this weekend, how if the refs mic picked it up, he didn’t, and didn’t show the player a straight red I don’t know.

  • SELR_addicks
    SELR_addicks Posts: 15,446
    "He said certain things of a racist nature and I took it badly. There are things that you can let pass, but I’m a man and a man of colour. We are in 2018 and there are things we don’t let pass anymore."

    He said something in reference to my colour. You see very clearly he pinched his nose in relation to what he said. I asked him to repeat it. I think at the moment he repeated it he realised what he had said."

    “He wanted to limit the damage. I said no. It would be incomprehensible coming from a fan, but from a footballer who earns a very good living and is there to entertain it should be punished.”

    Brighton submit Gaëtan Bong’s claim to FA that Jay Rodriguez said “you’re black and you stink.”
  • Kap10
    Kap10 Posts: 15,566

    worldCharlton Life gone fucking mad

  • buckshee
    buckshee Posts: 7,867
    SDAddick said:

    A lot of people talking about "The race card" like it's the US in the 90s.

    The race card is not a thing. Racism is a thing.

    You mean like when George Boateng used it to get out of an FA charge and was found to be lying?

    http://www.skysports.com/football/news/11680/2248600/barmby-anger-at-racist-slur