The first priority and loyalty of any worker is to his/her own family.
The bills have to be paid and the mortgage has to be met. This is true of the vast majority of football managers too. Let’s face it, can any one of us say we entirely agree with the ethics, morality, ideas and systems of our employers? I doubt it. The vast majority of us ordinary mortals put up and shut up, we do what it takes to keep the job.
Each season there are about 800 out of work professional footballers looking for a club. Football managers? I don’t know, but there can only be one at each club which makes the vacant roles highly sought after. There seems little point in taking the role at Charlton and then immediately going toe to toe with the person who can fire you. I quite like the spirit of KR he seems genuine in his love of Charlton and his desire for us and himself to succeed. It is a very fine line he has to tread between the owner and the fans. It can’t be easy.
To me it seems like we're now at a point where we're whinging when a club employee calls for Roland to leave (allegedly) to Roland's face.
I get that people pay a lot of money to go to matches and that for some people this club has been at the center of their lives for decades and they now can't go, and I don't want to belittle or lose sight of that.
I do think there on some on here for whom hating Roland and the regime and everyone (or almost everyone) who works for the club is a form of competition, and there's sometimes this feeling of one-upmanship over who can be angriest of most miserable.
That's it. I'm going to go back to ignoring football-related threads for 24 hours after games.
I don’t think that’s the case at all.
For me, Robinson nailed his colours to the mast from the day he arrived by taking every available column inch and radio show slot to tell the world how great our owner and CEO are and that they are misunderstood.
He’s admitted he knew what he was getting in to and allegedly, whilst MK Dons manager, told our club MC at the time that we were a ‘basketcase of a club’.
Now the reality has hit home and he’s behaving like a worm trying to wriggle off the hook. That’s before we remind ourselves this is he 3rd transfer window in a row he’s reeled out the ‘I know what we need’ line.
I don’t doubt for a second that he’s frustrated but some of his issues are entirely self inflicted.
Personally I can see no reason to doubt this conversation took place, as the reliability of the people involved has been confirmed by our admin, who are pretty sound. (And if that doesn’t get me a promote, what will? ) Anyway, it seems a pretty strange way to go about things on KR’s part, but then things are pretty bizarre at Charlton Athletic in recent times. Whilst it is good in some ways to hear Karl have a moan about Roland, as it suggests the wheels are slowly coming off the bus, in my view, it hardly seems the best or most professional way to go about your management of the team, which is his job, however pissed off he may be. He said he did his research before joining the club, he has stood by RD and KM publicly on several occasions, as would be required of him in his role. But now he wants to have a pop at his boss to fans in the car park. I am not sure it does him any favours to be honest, but irrespective of all that, what it does do, at least, is give the impression that Rome is smouldering and may be about to fall at some point in the near future. And that can surely only be viewed as a positive, at the moment.
To me it seems like we're now at a point where we're whinging when a club employee calls for Roland to leave (allegedly) to Roland's face.
I get that people pay a lot of money to go to matches and that for some people this club has been at the center of their lives for decades and they now can't go, and I don't want to belittle or lose sight of that.
I do think there on some on here for whom hating Roland and the regime and everyone (or almost everyone) who works for the club is a form of competition, and there's sometimes this feeling of one-upmanship over who can be angriest of most miserable.
That's it. I'm going to go back to ignoring football-related threads for 24 hours after games.
Think you're pretty wide of the mark to be honest.
This is very difficult for KR,surely you cannot expect someone who is selling a business to invest in it ,especially when that person has been reviled and ridiculed by all and sundry.Roland will say that he saved the club from administration,which is probably correct,and therefore this gave him the right to do things his way.He has seen the error of his ways,but will not admit it and is now seeking to exit with honour.The last thing he will do is give the new owners a free ride,in case they make a success of the club and he is proved wrong.I do not think he will sell in this transfer window,although I hope I am wrong.
Wynn Grant has also confirmed on his blog that he knew of this conversation before it was made public on here. I have no doubt at all that the conversation took place and what was said. Once again I say, lets give KR a chance to prove himself with proper funds and an ambitious owner(s), if it fails then off he goes, if he succeeds don't we all win?
Holmes isn’t a Championship player. Well not a good one anyway. He’s not consistent enough. His passing isn’t good enough.
OK I think he looked it for some of last season and at the beginning of this season, but something has changed. All aspects of his game have suffered. To me he doesn't look like a good championship player. I'd love to be wrong, as at his best he's great!
Wynn Grant has also confirmed on his blog that he knew of this conversation before it was made public on here. I have no doubt at all that the conversation took place and what was said. Once again I say, lets give KR a chance to prove himself with proper funds and an ambitious owner(s), if it fails then off he goes, if he succeeds don't we all win?
Not our decision to make. That will be up to the new owners if they want to keep him.
Holmes isn’t a Championship player. Well not a good one anyway. He’s not consistent enough. His passing isn’t good enough.
OK I think he looked it for some of last season and at the beginning of this season, but something has changed. All aspects of his game have suffered. To me he doesn't look like a good championship player. I'd love to be wrong, as at his best he's great!
To be honest I agree with you, I don't think he'd cut it in the Championship.
Wynn Grant has also confirmed on his blog that he knew of this conversation before it was made public on here. I have no doubt at all that the conversation took place and what was said. Once again I say, lets give KR a chance to prove himself with proper funds and an ambitious owner(s), if it fails then off he goes, if he succeeds don't we all win?
Not our decision to make. That will be up to the new owners if they want to keep him.
@shirty5 Yep don't disagree with you at all mate. I just hope the new owners will give him a 'shot' at promotion, if only for some stability after the last 4 years of turmoil. I know its unlikely, but for once it would be nice if someone in our shambles of a club, currently, is given a chance with some funds.
Well if Robbo digs his heels in in some way or another, he at least is showing some gumption after being so fulsome towards the regime when he first arrived. One not unimaginable scenario is Duchatelet remains, Robinson departs, and Jacko becomes manager.
How else would a new manager be towards his employer?
Just keep shtum and get on with the job in hand.
BTW, that's an answer to your question, not the latest edict from the Director of Moderation
The first priority and loyalty of any worker is to his/her own family.
The bills have to be paid and the mortgage has to be met. This is true of the vast majority of football managers too. Let’s face it, can any one of us say we entirely agree with the ethics, morality, ideas and systems of our employers? I doubt it. The vast majority of us ordinary mortals put up and shut up, we do what it takes to keep the job.
Each season there are about 800 out of work professional footballers looking for a club. Football managers? I don’t know, but there can only be one at each club which makes the vacant roles highly sought after. There seems little point in taking the role at Charlton and then immediately going toe to toe with the person who can fire you. I quite like the spirit of KR he seems genuine in his love of Charlton and his desire for us and himself to succeed. It is a very fine line he has to tread between the owner and the fans. It can’t be easy.
I think that's a very fair point. Whilst I don't see him as some kind of hero for speaking out when there's basically nothing to lose, he needs to provide for his family and there are bills to pay, which comes first. This is a guy who didn't play professional football.
Can’t get my head around the vitriol directed at KR. Sure he maybe says too much sometimes, but given the thing everyone was whining about last year was that no one at the club was being open and honest with fans... well you can’t have it both ways.
Yes he’s tactically rigid, but that is not justification for the hatred some direct his way. He’s trying to get the team playing a certain way, maybe you don’t agree with it, but when it works, and it has worked this season, it can produce some flowing attacking football that is very good to watch, and his team has been able to grind out some results with guts and good organization too.
Teams hit bad runs, it happens all the time, for a wide variety of reasons. The histrionics and childish name calling on here after every match we don’t win 4-0 is getting so tiresome. It’s like some of you only started watching football last week and have no understanding of the importance of confidence and how form ebbs and flows and can sometimes change dramatically almost over night. And you think this set of players looks like it doesn’t care, well you can’t have seen Dowie’s tam that took us out of the Prem, or Pardew’s team that took us out the Championship, or the horror show that was 2 seasons ago.
Roland is the enemy right now and always has been the one true evil, even a lot of the shit Meire got stick for only happened because he kept screwing her over. KR is saying what we all think, but some of you are now so determined to criticise anything and everything about the club that you will never be pleased with him.
It’s a mindset that bothers me because it won’t just disappear when a takeover finally happens because, while it will doubtless go away for the honeymoon period, at the first sign of difficulties under any new owner, which there will be because no club keeps winning forever, it’ll be back at the surface.
I don't think that's fair. People's issue with KR is that he seems to be changing sides and opinions when it suits him.
He loved Meire when he started and was very vocal about how he got his pick of players last summer. Now he's had some shit results and whispers are there's a new owner coming in, it's suddenly all Roland's fault.
Covering his own back imo, whether it be for the new owners or for his next employer.
Some fans are buying it, some of us just have a longer memory.
I saw this thread and haven't read through all the comments. But I see it as Robinson has been talking about talking to players and agents months ago, and has been working hard to get deals in place to now simply be told no. Completely understand his frustration.
1: Gets sacked and gets paid off 2: RD lets him sign players 3: RD lets him carry on without signing players before he sells the club
Obviousky KR would have preferences to each of these scenarios, he either has a big payout, improves the squad AND keeps his job, or just keeps his job anyway and hopes new owners keep him (again, a payout if they don’t)
This might be simplistic, but he would get another job quite easily IMO, I believe he cares about CAFC, but ultimately has a family and career to consider first.
Wynn Grant has also confirmed on his blog that he knew of this conversation before it was made public on here. I have no doubt at all that the conversation took place and what was said. Once again I say, lets give KR a chance to prove himself with proper funds and an ambitious owner(s), if it fails then off he goes, if he succeeds don't we all win?
If there is any money to spend I'd rather trust it to someone else to spend. We were told Marshall and Reeves would tear this league a new one but neither have delivered, nowhere near. If KR is given a chance with proper funds it will just mean less funds available for the guy who replaces him three months later.
1: Gets sacked and gets paid off 2: RD lets him sign players 3: RD lets him carry on without signing players before he sells the club
Obviousky KR would have preferences to each of these scenarios, he either has a big payout, improves the squad AND keeps his job, or just keeps his job anyway and hopes new owners keep him (again, a payout if they don’t)
This might be simplistic, but he would get another job quite easily IMO, I believe he cares about CAFC, but ultimately has a family and career to consider first.
Wouldn't the club have an option to sack him without compo if he's been slagging the owner off, in public to "customers"?
Well if Robbo digs his heels in in some way or another, he at least is showing some gumption after being so fulsome towards the regime when he first arrived. One not unimaginable scenario is Duchatelet remains, Robinson departs, and Jacko becomes manager.
How else would a new manager be towards his employer?
Just keep shtum and get on with the job in hand.
BTW, that's an answer to your question, not the latest edict from the Director of Moderation
I understand people questioning his tactics, but I cant see for the life if me what he (Robbo) has done wrong with regards to the politics if the club. Who knows what was initially said to him when he accepted the job? I personally think he's handled it well and think it's great he's called out RD in front if a group if fans.
Well if Robbo digs his heels in in some way or another, he at least is showing some gumption after being so fulsome towards the regime when he first arrived. One not unimaginable scenario is Duchatelet remains, Robinson departs, and Jacko becomes manager.
How else would a new manager be towards his employer?
Not sure what to make of this to be honest. Whilst I can understand his frustration he needs to counter it with professionalism. Talking about players in this public manner is a no no for me, what good comes out of it?
I would be pretty cross if I was one of the players he talked about as would the owning club if they hear about it and the atmosphere amongst the squad we have will not be improved at a time when our form is abysmal.
As for calling RD an idiot, well I have no problem with that. Although as one poster has said above, cancelling these purchasers if the sale of the club is anywhere near is one of the few non idiotic things he has done.
Well if Robbo digs his heels in in some way or another, he at least is showing some gumption after being so fulsome towards the regime when he first arrived. One not unimaginable scenario is Duchatelet remains, Robinson departs, and Jacko becomes manager.
How else would a new manager be towards his employer?
Measured.
People's oppinions on what a young managers "measured" response should be to constant questions re. the protests / owners (his bosses) etc., at the time of his appointment is obviously very subjective.
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The bills have to be paid and the mortgage has to be met. This is true of the vast majority of football managers too. Let’s face it, can any one of us say we entirely agree with the ethics, morality, ideas and systems of our employers? I doubt it. The vast majority of us ordinary mortals put up and shut up, we do what it takes to keep the job.
Each season there are about 800 out of work professional footballers looking for a club. Football managers? I don’t know, but there can only be one at each club which makes the vacant roles highly sought after. There seems little point in taking the role at Charlton and then immediately going toe to toe with the person who can fire you. I quite like the spirit of KR he seems genuine in his love of Charlton and his desire for us and himself to succeed. It is a very fine line he has to tread between the owner and the fans. It can’t be easy.
For me, Robinson nailed his colours to the mast from the day he arrived by taking every available column inch and radio show slot to tell the world how great our owner and CEO are and that they are misunderstood.
He’s admitted he knew what he was getting in to and allegedly, whilst MK Dons manager, told our club MC at the time that we were a ‘basketcase of a club’.
Now the reality has hit home and he’s behaving like a worm trying to wriggle off the hook. That’s before we remind ourselves this is he 3rd transfer window in a row he’s reeled out the ‘I know what we need’ line.
I don’t doubt for a second that he’s frustrated but some of his issues are entirely self inflicted.
Anyway, it seems a pretty strange way to go about things on KR’s part, but then things are pretty bizarre at Charlton Athletic in recent times.
Whilst it is good in some ways to hear Karl have a moan about Roland, as it suggests the wheels are slowly coming off the bus, in my view, it hardly seems the best or most professional way to go about your management of the team, which is his job, however pissed off he may be.
He said he did his research before joining the club, he has stood by RD and KM publicly on several occasions, as would be required of him in his role. But now he wants to have a pop at his boss to fans in the car park.
I am not sure it does him any favours to be honest, but irrespective of all that, what it does do, at least, is give the impression that Rome is smouldering and may be about to fall at some point in the near future.
And that can surely only be viewed as a positive, at the moment.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36364264
BTW, that's an answer to your question, not the latest edict from the Director of Moderation
He loved Meire when he started and was very vocal about how he got his pick of players last summer. Now he's had some shit results and whispers are there's a new owner coming in, it's suddenly all Roland's fault.
Covering his own back imo, whether it be for the new owners or for his next employer.
Some fans are buying it, some of us just have a longer memory.
1: Gets sacked and gets paid off
2: RD lets him sign players
3: RD lets him carry on without signing players before he sells the club
Obviousky KR would have preferences to each of these scenarios, he either has a big payout, improves the squad AND keeps his job, or just keeps his job anyway and hopes new owners keep him (again, a payout if they don’t)
This might be simplistic, but he would get another job quite easily IMO, I believe he cares about CAFC, but ultimately has a family and career to consider first.
I would be pretty cross if I was one of the players he talked about as would the owning club if they hear about it and the atmosphere amongst the squad we have will not be improved at a time when our form is abysmal.
As for calling RD an idiot, well I have no problem with that. Although as one poster has said above, cancelling these purchasers if the sale of the club is anywhere near is one of the few non idiotic things he has done.
Players are commodities of football clubs and are treated as such for anyone to think they actually care like fans do is madness ,
With KR fair play to him for saying it and as said above he can’t lose
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