This Cros talk broke in the German press today but is something a few people had heard in the days earlier. Left Back who has also played in the French 5th division I believe. I'm sure he is top of Robbo's list for 'six figure transfers'.
Interestingly, the Ostthuringer Zeitung below picks up on the prospect of Duchatelet effectively paying himself....
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Guillaume Cros, full-back at FC Carl Zeiss Jena, is said to be close to trade with Charlton Athletic according to information from our media house. A middle six-figure sum is to bring in a transfer for Jena.
The Frenchman is also courted by the German Bundesliga club FC Augsburg - but apparently a change within the Duchâtelet empire is desired. The Belgian minority shareholder of the FC is the owner of the South East London club and would end up transferring the transfer fee almost by itself, as he would also be represented on both sides of the negotiating table.
I'm sure he is Robinson's choice because everything has changed, Slade was never sacked for not wanting O'Loughlin and we started the season with plenty of strikers.
Surely we're not going to spend 6 figures on a left back who plays in the 3rd division German league?!
As I intimated it could be bait for other interested parties to snatch him from under our nose . Even if we did sign Cros it'll be RD paying himself effectively whilst increasing his debt pile unless of course it comes out of any Konsa transfer fee
This Cros talk broke in the German press today but is something a few people had heard in the days earlier. Left Back who has also played in the French 5th division I believe. I'm sure he is top of Robbo's list for 'six figure transfers'.
Interestingly, the Ostthuringer Zeitung below picks up on the prospect of Duchatelet effectively paying himself....
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Guillaume Cros, full-back at FC Carl Zeiss Jena, is said to be close to trade with Charlton Athletic according to information from our media house. A middle six-figure sum is to bring in a transfer for Jena.
The Frenchman is also courted by the German Bundesliga club FC Augsburg - but apparently a change within the Duchâtelet empire is desired. The Belgian minority shareholder of the FC is the owner of the South East London club and would end up transferring the transfer fee almost by itself, as he would also be represented on both sides of the negotiating table.
This Cros talk broke in the German press today but is something a few people had heard in the days earlier. Left Back who has also played in the French 5th division I believe. I'm sure he is top of Robbo's list for 'six figure transfers'.
Interestingly, the Ostthuringer Zeitung below picks up on the prospect of Duchatelet effectively paying himself....
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Guillaume Cros, full-back at FC Carl Zeiss Jena, is said to be close to trade with Charlton Athletic according to information from our media house. A middle six-figure sum is to bring in a transfer for Jena.
The Frenchman is also courted by the German Bundesliga club FC Augsburg - but apparently a change within the Duchâtelet empire is desired. The Belgian minority shareholder of the FC is the owner of the South East London club and would end up transferring the transfer fee almost by itself, as he would also be represented on both sides of the negotiating table.
I will be pretty cros if we don’t get him.
That's up there with the gags from Jack and the Beanstalks at the New Wimbledon Theatre.
"Charlton boss Karl Robinson met two agents earlier in the week to discuss potential transfers in January.
The Addicks board are keen that any strikers brought in are in-form – with the plan that they carry on scoring streaks.
Robinson said: “It is the first transfer window I’ve gone into that I know who we want and what we need."
I know Robinson talks a lot but what does this mean? In previois windows he DIDN'T know who he wanted and needed?
"“I hope we can get a deal done in the next two weeks. It’s got to be sooner rather than later."
We'd all like to see this but again why does Robinson say these things? Two weeks in and Golfie will be going ape that we haven't signed a striker. Bit like saying the takeover might be imminent. A wish becomes a promise in some people's minds.
karl says a lot more than other managers human beings, and the issue is where he does it a lot people take his words as gospel, he wants to be loved by the masses but when you have our owner its hard to, on paper our squad isn't that bad all be it thin as a poppadom, we should be playing better than we are.
Aren't we going to give it a right go in the January transfer window if we are still in contention? I like Robinson, but he can speak to as many agents as he likes but I don't think he will be backed by RD. I can see Konsa and another one going out and a Prem loan coming in. Robinson should not be making these big statements. I like his honesty, but you shouldn't be making promises you can't keep.
Aren't we going to give it a right go in the January transfer window if we are still in contention? I like Robinson, but he can speak to as many agents as he likes but I don't think he will be backed by RD. I can see Konsa and another one going out and a Prem loan coming in. Robinson should not be making these big statements. I like his honesty, but you shouldn't be making promises you can't keep.
I don't think he's making promises, he's setting out what he wants, and indeed expects...
I'm sure it will be the same old story, lots of huffing and puffing with plenty of end product... we are still talking about transfer rumours... arnt we?
Given our track record, if you were an agent contemplating the forthcoming churn, and you had a couple of fringe players to place, wouldn't you have Katrien Meire on speed dial?
if still here can't see Roly backing KR at all. I mean a couple of weeks ago he wouldn't even fund Best's wages for eight weeks. No signings except freebies, three sales is my guess.
If the Aussies are in the hot seat then the game changes.
I wouldn’t get too excited. We will probably extend the Loan of Joe PooPoo, give Best a contact until the end of the season and sign Dean Lewington - he’s 33 now, so a 6 year contract should suffice.
Do we even want Godden? Hasn't had a good season so far (not looking too much into it just basing it from goals scored) Stevenage main forward seems to be a player called Danny Newton. I would like better tbh, we need a finisher up front not another 'hard worker'
He's got 9 goals so far this season - how many has Magennis got ??? Yes, he may have to make the step up, but he would be playing in a better team & one that (should) create more chances for him. Put me in Man City or Liverpool's team & I reckon I could score a few, even at my age.
He scored a hatrick against Nantwich in the FA cup mate which has boosted up his tally, he only has 6 league goals, hardly the finisher type we need unless he has not been playing? Otherwise those aren't good stats
Checking the stats, Will Grigg only has 4 league goals this season!
Don't know how many games he's played but he started the season injured and the game against us was his first start. Also, Wigan play a 4-2-3-1 similar to us looking to get goals from all over.
"Charlton boss Karl Robinson met two agents earlier in the week to discuss potential transfers in January.
The Addicks board are keen that any strikers brought in are in-form – with the plan that they carry on scoring streaks.
Robinson said: “It is the first transfer window I’ve gone into that I know who we want and what we need."
I know Robinson talks a lot but what does this mean? In previois windows he DIDN'T know who he wanted and needed?
"“I hope we can get a deal done in the next two weeks. It’s got to be sooner rather than later."
We'd all like to see this but again why does Robinson say these things? Two weeks in and Golfie will be going ape that we haven't signed a striker. Bit like saying the takeover might be imminent. A wish becomes a promise in some people's minds.
Hard to know what he wanted and who when there's big gaps in the squad. Guess that's been minimised now so easier to see the weaknesses.
Here's the Google translation from kicker @Callumcafc
2 days ago
Jena's French left-wing defender Guillaume Cros (22) is looking for kicker information in talks with the English third-party club Charlton Athletic. ...
4 Club career
Guillaume Cros is on the list of high-class clubs. The left-wing defender of FC Carl Zeiss Jena is interested in the federal Ligist FC Augsburg and second Ligist Jahn Regensburg among others. The Frenchman should also have played a role in the focus of racing Strasbourg and FC Basel. Jena would probably call a transfer sum in the middle six-digit range
If he's good enough then fair enough. I just don't know that left back is a huge priority. Obviously just because we've heard about this doesn't mean there aren't other targets in positions we need that we just haven't heard about.
Apart from striker, where else do people think we need reinforcements, assuming we keep everyone in the squad?
For me it's a tough one because somewhere like left back you have Jamie Mascoll who looks just about up to the level. Plus Sarr has covered well there. In theory we also have Lewis Page.
Right back you have Konsa and Dijksteel, though I think Solly desperately needs some competition/respite. If a potential first choice right back comes along then great (this is assuming Konsa stays, if he leaves we need a RB). But we should really only be looking at someone who could come in and put Solly's position under threat.
Central midfield, we're never going to know just how good Dijksteel is at this level until he's played there. It's ridiculous that he hasn't played in midfield in the league yet, and I'd dare say he's never played in midfield for the first team full stop. He looks to have the ability to cover for Kashi, with Aribo the natural back up to JFC. One more in there might not hurt, but again they'd need to be immediate first team quality if they're going to jump ahead of the young players.
It's a tough one. And obviously January isn't the best time to be buying.
Evening, SDAddick.
Please excuse my naivety but as, I believe, you are based in the US, how does it appear that you know more than those of us that attend most matches, home & away, from your overseas base ?
I presume you are able to watch every 1st team match via some kind of stream but Jamie Mascoll , who you state" looks just about up to the level" ? Although I now fail to attend U23 matches due to moving further away from the area, I do follow the reports of others but have zilch opinion on this player as I've never seen him kick a ball...
Of course, this forum is all about opinions & that's what makes it so successful.
But, whilst I rarely comment on formations on the pitch, or indeed the strengths & weaknesses of individuals, as I've never played the game, I often wonder how informed you can be when you clearly don't see the team play in person.
Without meaning to be rude or offensive, isn't viewing games from afar, how a certain M.Dreissen formed his opinions ....and we know how valid most of those were.
Curious Fanny. x
You bring up some very good points.
I've seen him (Mascoll) once in a U-23 game that was streamed, and once in the Checkatrade against Portsmouth. He looks a decent player from that but that is a very small sample size. I think a better phrasing would have been "he looks like he could be given a chance from what I've seen."
As far as the concept of not being able to judge players from afar, first off, I'm not the head scout of a football club (or series of football clubs) and never purport to be, But I think it's worth noting that just because Thomas Driessen does something doesn't make it wrong, be that the use of statistics or the use of "tapes" of games to scout players. I suspect the way he does them is what's wrong. And I wouldn't say you should judge players based solely on stats and videos if you're the scout of a football club. But I'm sure that every major football club uses statistics and videos of players to gauge them.
Here's a really interesting article from FFT on how clubs scout players. I think something they talk extensively about that Driessen clearly doesn't do is building a "personal profile" of a player. It's clear that we have signed a fair few players who either don't speak the language (Ba, Bergdich, Kashi), aren't suited to the team, aren't suited to the English style, or all of the above.
Secondly, there are things you can see on streams that you can't see in the ground, and vice versa. When I go to The Valley I sit in the East Stand about halfway down. It means that I can see certain things because I'm close to the pitch that I can't see on the stream. But it's very, very difficult to get a tactical perspective of the game that you can get from the stream where the camera is mounted high up on the East Stand (or atop it, I don't know exactly where the camera fixture is).
I don't know how to say this without it sounding patronizing, and it's not meant to be, but can I recommend watching a few games on streams? I do think you'd notice things you don't notice in the ground. Absolutely I miss out on things not being at matches (and for what it's worth I desperately wish I could go more), but I have seen every game the first team has played this season.
I'd also be really curious to hear from those who both watch games on iFollow and go to games. What are the differences you see and feel (apart from the obvious you're not in your living room in your pajamas) in terms of how you judge the team and performances?
Something I've long wondered but haven't brought up with LL yet because I don't want to give him more work: but I'm curious to know how the average player marks differ between those at the games and those watching on the stream. Obviously because the numbers are relativistic it would be an inexact science. But I wonder if one is consistently higher.
Here's the Google translation from kicker @Callumcafc
2 days ago
Jena's French left-wing defender Guillaume Cros (22) is looking for kicker information in talks with the English third-party club Charlton Athletic. ...
4 Club career
Guillaume Cros is on the list of high-class clubs. The left-wing defender of FC Carl Zeiss Jena is interested in the federal Ligist FC Augsburg and second Ligist Jahn Regensburg among others. The Frenchman should also have played a role in the focus of racing Strasbourg and FC Basel. Jena would probably call a transfer sum in the middle six-digit range
If he's good enough then fair enough. I just don't know that left back is a huge priority. Obviously just because we've heard about this doesn't mean there aren't other targets in positions we need that we just haven't heard about.
Apart from striker, where else do people think we need reinforcements, assuming we keep everyone in the squad?
For me it's a tough one because somewhere like left back you have Jamie Mascoll who looks just about up to the level. Plus Sarr has covered well there. In theory we also have Lewis Page.
Right back you have Konsa and Dijksteel, though I think Solly desperately needs some competition/respite. If a potential first choice right back comes along then great (this is assuming Konsa stays, if he leaves we need a RB). But we should really only be looking at someone who could come in and put Solly's position under threat.
Central midfield, we're never going to know just how good Dijksteel is at this level until he's played there. It's ridiculous that he hasn't played in midfield in the league yet, and I'd dare say he's never played in midfield for the first team full stop. He looks to have the ability to cover for Kashi, with Aribo the natural back up to JFC. One more in there might not hurt, but again they'd need to be immediate first team quality if they're going to jump ahead of the young players.
It's a tough one. And obviously January isn't the best time to be buying.
Evening, SDAddick.
Please excuse my naivety but as, I believe, you are based in the US, how does it appear that you know more than those of us that attend most matches, home & away, from your overseas base ?
I presume you are able to watch every 1st team match via some kind of stream but Jamie Mascoll , who you state" looks just about up to the level" ? Although I now fail to attend U23 matches due to moving further away from the area, I do follow the reports of others but have zilch opinion on this player as I've never seen him kick a ball...
Of course, this forum is all about opinions & that's what makes it so successful.
But, whilst I rarely comment on formations on the pitch, or indeed the strengths & weaknesses of individuals, as I've never played the game, I often wonder how informed you can be when you clearly don't see the team play in person.
Without meaning to be rude or offensive, isn't viewing games from afar, how a certain M.Dreissen formed his opinions ....and we know how valid most of those were.
Curious Fanny. x
Wow that was incredibly patronizing. Nevertheless, you bring up some very good points.
I've seen him (Mascoll) once in a U-23 game that was streamed, and once in the Checkatrade against Portsmouth. He looks a decent player from that but that is a very small sample size. I think a better phrasing would have been "he looks like he could be given a chance from what I've seen."
Sorry but I disagree You have seen him twice and think he is ready.
This is what happend to KAG and Pig, He could be fantastic for the future, lets no ruin him by throwing him into the first team, he is not ready to push us to promotion
Here's the Google translation from kicker @Callumcafc
2 days ago
Jena's French left-wing defender Guillaume Cros (22) is looking for kicker information in talks with the English third-party club Charlton Athletic. ...
4 Club career
Guillaume Cros is on the list of high-class clubs. The left-wing defender of FC Carl Zeiss Jena is interested in the federal Ligist FC Augsburg and second Ligist Jahn Regensburg among others. The Frenchman should also have played a role in the focus of racing Strasbourg and FC Basel. Jena would probably call a transfer sum in the middle six-digit range
If he's good enough then fair enough. I just don't know that left back is a huge priority. Obviously just because we've heard about this doesn't mean there aren't other targets in positions we need that we just haven't heard about.
Apart from striker, where else do people think we need reinforcements, assuming we keep everyone in the squad?
For me it's a tough one because somewhere like left back you have Jamie Mascoll who looks just about up to the level. Plus Sarr has covered well there. In theory we also have Lewis Page.
Right back you have Konsa and Dijksteel, though I think Solly desperately needs some competition/respite. If a potential first choice right back comes along then great (this is assuming Konsa stays, if he leaves we need a RB). But we should really only be looking at someone who could come in and put Solly's position under threat.
Central midfield, we're never going to know just how good Dijksteel is at this level until he's played there. It's ridiculous that he hasn't played in midfield in the league yet, and I'd dare say he's never played in midfield for the first team full stop. He looks to have the ability to cover for Kashi, with Aribo the natural back up to JFC. One more in there might not hurt, but again they'd need to be immediate first team quality if they're going to jump ahead of the young players.
It's a tough one. And obviously January isn't the best time to be buying.
Evening, SDAddick.
Please excuse my naivety but as, I believe, you are based in the US, how does it appear that you know more than those of us that attend most matches, home & away, from your overseas base ?
I presume you are able to watch every 1st team match via some kind of stream but Jamie Mascoll , who you state" looks just about up to the level" ? Although I now fail to attend U23 matches due to moving further away from the area, I do follow the reports of others but have zilch opinion on this player as I've never seen him kick a ball...
Of course, this forum is all about opinions & that's what makes it so successful.
But, whilst I rarely comment on formations on the pitch, or indeed the strengths & weaknesses of individuals, as I've never played the game, I often wonder how informed you can be when you clearly don't see the team play in person.
Without meaning to be rude or offensive, isn't viewing games from afar, how a certain M.Dreissen formed his opinions ....and we know how valid most of those were.
Curious Fanny. x
Wow that was incredibly patronizing. Nevertheless, you bring up some very good points.
I've seen him (Mascoll) once in a U-23 game that was streamed, and once in the Checkatrade against Portsmouth. He looks a decent player from that but that is a very small sample size. I think a better phrasing would have been "he looks like he could be given a chance from what I've seen."
Sorry but I disagree You have seen him twice and think he is ready.
This is what happend to KAG and Pig, He could be fantastic for the future, lets no ruin him by throwing him into the first team, he is not ready to push us to promotion
So to go back to the context of the original post, I was talking about potential left back cover. I have him behind DaSilva, Sarr, the theoretical Lewis Page, Lennon, and maybe the skipper. I'm not saying he's ready to be first choice left back or even consistent back-up. What I'm talking about would require an injury crisis, and more broadly, the fact that I don't think left back is an area that desperately needs strengthening. Certainly not when compared to other parts of the squad.
But I definitely agree with you about not throwing him in too early. It's why I think loaning Hanlan and Umerah out were such good moves. Both had been around the first team, played a few games here and there. But neither is ready to be the second choice center forward. So instead of doing what we did with KAG, which is go into the season with 3 fit strikers and Igor with a manager who only played 4-4-2 (not to mention the fact that Watt and Makienok were not well suited to playing together), we sent Umerah and Hanlan out on loan to play senior football consistently. They've dropped down a level to play regularly and both have scored goals, which I'm sure will help them grow.
I actually think that in January if Page is anywhere near a footballer, Mascoll would be a good candidate for such an approach (along with Reeco, assuming we get two strikers in as cover).
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Interestingly, the Ostthuringer Zeitung below picks up on the prospect of Duchatelet effectively paying himself....
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Guillaume Cros, full-back at FC Carl Zeiss Jena, is said to be close to trade with Charlton Athletic according to information from our media house. A middle six-figure sum is to bring in a transfer for Jena.
The Frenchman is also courted by the German Bundesliga club FC Augsburg - but apparently a change within the Duchâtelet empire is desired. The Belgian minority shareholder of the FC is the owner of the South East London club and would end up transferring the transfer fee almost by itself, as he would also be represented on both sides of the negotiating table.
Just sell the club
"Charlton boss Karl Robinson met two agents earlier in the week to discuss potential transfers in January.
The Addicks board are keen that any strikers brought in are in-form – with the plan that they carry on scoring streaks.
Robinson said: “It is the first transfer window I’ve gone into that I know who we want and what we need."
I know Robinson talks a lot but what does this mean? In previois windows he DIDN'T know who he wanted and needed?
"“I hope we can get a deal done in the next two weeks. It’s got to be sooner rather than later."
We'd all like to see this but again why does Robinson say these things? Two weeks in and Golfie will be going ape that we haven't signed a striker. Bit like saying the takeover might be imminent. A wish becomes a promise in some people's minds.
managershuman beings, and the issue is where he does it a lot people take his words as gospel, he wants to be loved by the masses but when you have our owner its hard to, on paper our squad isn't that bad all be it thin as a poppadom, we should be playing better than we are.Other than the League Cup and Europa League he's not really featured since that Norwich game
If the Aussies are in the hot seat then the game changes.
Still strange wording from Robinson.
How long will this thread be by the end of the window? I'm going for 147 pages
I've seen him (Mascoll) once in a U-23 game that was streamed, and once in the Checkatrade against Portsmouth. He looks a decent player from that but that is a very small sample size. I think a better phrasing would have been "he looks like he could be given a chance from what I've seen."
As far as the concept of not being able to judge players from afar, first off, I'm not the head scout of a football club (or series of football clubs) and never purport to be, But I think it's worth noting that just because Thomas Driessen does something doesn't make it wrong, be that the use of statistics or the use of "tapes" of games to scout players. I suspect the way he does them is what's wrong. And I wouldn't say you should judge players based solely on stats and videos if you're the scout of a football club. But I'm sure that every major football club uses statistics and videos of players to gauge them.
Here's a really interesting article from FFT on how clubs scout players. I think something they talk extensively about that Driessen clearly doesn't do is building a "personal profile" of a player. It's clear that we have signed a fair few players who either don't speak the language (Ba, Bergdich, Kashi), aren't suited to the team, aren't suited to the English style, or all of the above.
https://www.fourfourtwo.com/us/performance/skills/what-do-scouts-look-footballers
Secondly, there are things you can see on streams that you can't see in the ground, and vice versa. When I go to The Valley I sit in the East Stand about halfway down. It means that I can see certain things because I'm close to the pitch that I can't see on the stream. But it's very, very difficult to get a tactical perspective of the game that you can get from the stream where the camera is mounted high up on the East Stand (or atop it, I don't know exactly where the camera fixture is).
I don't know how to say this without it sounding patronizing, and it's not meant to be, but can I recommend watching a few games on streams? I do think you'd notice things you don't notice in the ground. Absolutely I miss out on things not being at matches (and for what it's worth I desperately wish I could go more), but I have seen every game the first team has played this season.
I'd also be really curious to hear from those who both watch games on iFollow and go to games. What are the differences you see and feel (apart from the obvious you're not in your living room in your pajamas) in terms of how you judge the team and performances?
Something I've long wondered but haven't brought up with LL yet because I don't want to give him more work: but I'm curious to know how the average player marks differ between those at the games and those watching on the stream. Obviously because the numbers are relativistic it would be an inexact science. But I wonder if one is consistently higher.
You have seen him twice and think he is ready.
This is what happend to KAG and Pig,
He could be fantastic for the future, lets no ruin him by throwing him into the first team, he is not ready to push us to promotion
But I definitely agree with you about not throwing him in too early. It's why I think loaning Hanlan and Umerah out were such good moves. Both had been around the first team, played a few games here and there. But neither is ready to be the second choice center forward. So instead of doing what we did with KAG, which is go into the season with 3 fit strikers and Igor with a manager who only played 4-4-2 (not to mention the fact that Watt and Makienok were not well suited to playing together), we sent Umerah and Hanlan out on loan to play senior football consistently. They've dropped down a level to play regularly and both have scored goals, which I'm sure will help them grow.
I actually think that in January if Page is anywhere near a footballer, Mascoll would be a good candidate for such an approach (along with Reeco, assuming we get two strikers in as cover).