Does this not wind people up? I get we’re a mess off the field but the players themselves are the ones who have underperformed lately. No club gets promoted when they throw their toys out of the pram when it gets tough.
Yeah it does a bit, I already said that although we have got a shit owner etc and a fragile squad, we played a full strength team against Plymouth, Gillingham and Bury, all when we were 'in form' and they were at the bottom and we picked up 1 point. That's down to the players and Robinson. If we had took all 9 we would sit comfortably in the play offs and be chasing an auto slot, so the players really can't complain imo. They're not good enough, simples
Those getting pissed off with Karl I don’t blame them I’m one of them, the guy seriously needs to shut his gob as mentioned before fans of clubs take direction from there manager and if we’re annoyed and confused by him how the fuck are the players meant to understand.
3 weeks ago “ no one will be going out unless I have suitable replacements” Last night “Not able to say that players won’t be going out this month”
And the feeling sorry for him, Na plenty before him were puppets wasn’t going to be any different for him, aim For me now is get to end of season hopefully a takeover, just another year down the drain with a mid table finish and pray to fucking god that the new owners have a bit more ambition that the current prick that owns us.
So it seems Karl can’t win . The guy is telling the fans how it is . Why would you want him to keep his gob shut ?
neil harris was at the game last night according to twitter watching ricky holmes and josh ruffels of oxford.
Didn't know this.
Part of me would love him at our place and another part wouldn't. It'd be great for us but, for me, would be another kick in your teeth from your owner. This time selling to your closest geographical rival.
1) Charlton in chaos. Full of uncertainty, everything crumbling. No one knows what's happening.
2) If no more strengthening of the Charlton team this window, promotion is unlikely to happen.
3) He signed an extended contract in the summer, because his manager convinced him this season he would win promotion - and get his chance to play in the Champ next season.
4) Sheffield Utd gives him a chance to play at that higher level.
5) At approaching 31 years old, this could very well be last chance saloon to achieve his ambition.
6) £££££££ ...... as a family man and end of career just over the horizon, he has a duty to do the best for his family.
7) He's just f*cked off. But unlike everyone else, he's got an opportunity to escape the asylum.
He may have also liked playing for Robbo as it suits his game and now suspects he maybe on his way if takeover happens so now wants to move.
Anyway, wanting out and getting out are two different things. Can Sheffield Utd match our valuation and is there anyone that can or want to sanction a move?
I don’t accept this career thing though. If this is what he really wanted he had his chance in the summer and did not take it.
He has secured his financial future with a long term contract with us, and maybe Utd are now offering a similar deal which was not on offer then. Who knows.
Either way, hard cheese. There are more important things to worry about at the moment than Homes and I think him asking for a move now after just signing an extension with us is disrespectful to us fans given the injury plight we have at the moment. Selfish git.
Does this not wind people up? I get we’re a mess off the field but the players themselves are the ones who have underperformed lately. No club gets promoted when they throw their toys out of the pram when it gets tough.
Yes, it's not as is he's been playing brilliantly all this time himself
Does this not wind people up? I get we’re a mess off the field but the players themselves are the ones who have underperformed lately. No club gets promoted when they throw their toys out of the pram when it gets tough.
Yeah it does a bit, I already said that although we have got a shit owner etc and a fragile squad, we played a full strength team against Plymouth, Gillingham and Bury, all when we were 'in form' and they were at the bottom and we picked up 1 point. That's down to the players and Robinson. If we had took all 9 we would sit comfortably in the play offs and be chasing an auto slot, so the players really can't complain imo. They're not good enough, simples
This. I was at all 3 games & didn't look like a team chasing promotion. Let in the first goal in the 2 away games & then spent the entire 2nd halves trying to pass our way through or behind them to no avail. No plan B at all.
The only way Holmes leaving would be ok was if ALL the money was spent on players. It wont be of course.
PS. Can we do the deal & then send them Reeves instead.
He's approaching the end of his career, maybe has 3 seasons left after this one at the most, probably 1/2 where he'll remain a 1st choice player (at this level or above). It's also his last few years of earnings as a player so understandably he wants to maximise that.
He re-signed as he was led to believe we'd have a great chance of promotion. That is now looking flakey at best.
On the assumption we didn't go up this year AND didn't sell him, then his chance of playing anywhere but League 1 or below has all but gone as has any serious pay rise for those last couple of years.
Sheffield want him for their push to the play off's - oddly he could find that he goes there, does well along with the rest of the team and they get promoted to the premier league, if they did I suspect he'd at best be a bench warmer.
He's always given 100% for us which is a hell of a lot more than a number of players these past 4 years.
If he goes I wish him well, all thanks to Roland.......
1) Charlton in chaos. Full of uncertainty, everything crumbling. No one knows what's happening.
2) If no more strengthening of the Charlton team this window, promotion is unlikely to happen.
3) He signed an extended contract in the summer, because his manager convinced him this season he would win promotion - and get his chance to play in the Champ next season.
4) Sheffield Utd gives him a chance to play at that higher level.
5) At approaching 31 years old, this could very well be last chance saloon to achieve his ambition.
6) £££££££ ...... as a family man and end of career just over the horizon, he has a duty to do the best for his family.
7) He's just f*cked off. But unlike everyone else, he's got an opportunity to escape the asylum.
He may have also liked playing for Robbo as it suits his game and now suspects he maybe on his way if takeover happens so now wants to move.
Anyway, wanting out and getting out are two different things. Can Sheffield Utd match our valuation and is there anyone that can or want to sanction a move?
I don’t accept this career thing though. If this is what he really wanted he had his chance in the summer and did not take it.
He has secured his financial future with a long term contract with us, and maybe Utd are now offering a similar deal which was not on offer then. Who knows.
Either way, hard cheese. There are more important things to worry about at the moment than Homes and I think him asking for a move now after just signing an extension with us is disrespectful to us fans given the injury plight we have at the moment. Selfish git.
Oh, I don't know ....... you're in the position of a fan; so am I, so understand what you're saying from that perspective. But I may feel differently if I was a player of his age, in the circumstances.
It's all turned to ratshit at Charlton and in football it's a precarious career. I can't really blame a player for wanting to better himself and play at a higher level - hey, he might even get a chance to feature in the Prem should Sheff Utd win the playoffs!
Anyway, are you telling me you wouldn't be interested if another employer head-hunted you, with much better prospects and generous increase in salary? If you might take it, then why shouldn't Ricky?
Sure, he won himself a better contract last summer, but the club also did it to protect their investment - otherwise Ricky could have left for nothing this coming summer at the end of his contract. Now the club can get a hefty fee if they sell him.
Also talk that he may recall Ajose back from his loan.
I wouldn't mind if we actually played with two up top, bit more proven then KAG & RHF. admittedly he hasn't done well but again mainly as we play a formation that doesn't suit the team.
Holmes goes, we have pretty much no hope of promotion. At present its a small chance with him, Need to sort out Magdennis and Co as we all know.
Polite answer to a question from Robbo. Did not sound enthusiastic about the prospect to me.
Who would be enthusiastic about him coming back.
I think enthusiastic is a bit extreme, but i feel he would offer something if we changed formation... however that is very unlikely, he might even make Magdennis look good if he has someone to knock down to when he actually wins a header.
"The idea with Ezri was always that there would be that sale and we'd get him back on loan," said Robinson. "The good thing is about this situation [takeover talk, no CEO] there's nobody here for anyone to contact about it.
"It's almost like we've got into bunkers hiding and they can't catch us."
Polite answer to a question from Robbo. Did not sound enthusiastic about the prospect to me.
Who would be enthusiastic about him coming back.
SHOULD be an upgrade on Karlan Ahearne-Grant in my opinion
Sadly either could easily replace Magennis yet the tactics will remain the same (i.e. hoof it up to Ajose or KAG rather than trying to thread a pass) - As neither of those two can jump their efforts will look less impressive
"The idea with Ezri was always that there would be that sale and we'd get him back on loan," said Robinson. "The good thing is about this situation [takeover talk, no CEO] there's nobody here for anyone to contact about it.
"It's almost like we've got into bunkers hiding and they can't catch us."
Those large ditches at the training ground are there for a reason then!
It's all becoming embarassing but the players have to take some of the responsibility for the performances.
As has already been said - if you don't want to be here then go.
It's the same players that were in the promotion mix as there are now. Nothing's changed. Katrien going hasn't impacted the players. Roland being a massive prick and pulling the carpet out from the manager shouldn't have changed anything from the players perspective.
We are still a point from a play off spot so all isn't lost.
This takeover needs to happen ASAFP because it's not just the season that is disappearing on a daily basis - but it sounds like the squad isn't far behind. Time for Jacko, Robbo and Bowyer to earn their corn, rally the troops and create a siege mentality and get the best from each and every player each and every day.
Looks like a complete rebuild in the summer though. It's never dull being a Charlton fan is it!
It's all becoming embarassing but the players have to take some of the responsibility for the performances.
As has already been said - if you don't want to be here then go.
It's the same players that were in the promotion mix as there are now. Nothing's changed. Katrien going hasn't impacted the players. Roland being a massive prick and pulling the carpet out from the manager shouldn't have changed anything from the players perspective.
We are still a point from a play off spot so all isn't lost.
This takeover needs to happen ASAFP because it's not just the season that is disappearing on a daily basis - but it sounds like the squad isn't far behind. Time for Jacko, Robbo and Bowyer to earn their corn, rally the troops and create a siege mentality and get the best from each and every player each and every day.
Looks like a complete rebuild in the summer though. It's never dull being a Charlton fan is it!
Given how profligate we are in front if goal, I would have thought KR would have been a little more certain regarding the loan terms if he had any genuine interest in him coming back.
I hate to say it, but personally I think this thread is a waste of time, we have been told no transfers while RD owns club. How many of us really believe he will sell the club before the end of this month, he may sell players maybe, but not buy
Not sure you understand a transfer there Ross - outs are as much a transfer as ins.
Does this not wind people up? I get we’re a mess off the field but the players themselves are the ones who have underperformed lately. No club gets promoted when they throw their toys out of the pram when it gets tough.
The players need to drop their attitudes, pull up their socks and pull a finger out. They're the ones not performing. I'd accept Karl's formation isn't working if we weren't creating 20 plus chances a game and only having 2 on targets... that's the players failing.
Sell Holmes and we might aswel shut the club down .
Alright mate, put the ovaries away. This is no time for an overieaction.
Genuinely though i'd let him go if it means we can get someone who wants to try in.
We will not sign anyone regardless of whether we let him go. Roland is gonna try make as much cash before he sells up at a lower price than he really wants
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Part of me would love him at our place and another part wouldn't. It'd be great for us but, for me, would be another kick in your teeth from your owner. This time selling to your closest geographical rival.
Maybe that will be his parting shot?!
Anyway, wanting out and getting out are two different things. Can Sheffield Utd match our valuation and is there anyone that can or want to sanction a move?
I don’t accept this career thing though. If this is what he really wanted he had his chance in the summer and did not take it.
He has secured his financial future with a long term contract with us, and maybe Utd are now offering a similar deal which was not on offer then. Who knows.
Either way, hard cheese. There are more important things to worry about at the moment than Homes and I think him asking for a move now after just signing an extension with us is disrespectful to us fans given the injury plight we have at the moment. Selfish git.
The only way Holmes leaving would be ok was if ALL the money was spent on players. It wont be of course.
PS. Can we do the deal & then send them Reeves instead.
He's approaching the end of his career, maybe has 3 seasons left after this one at the most, probably 1/2 where he'll remain a 1st choice player (at this level or above). It's also his last few years of earnings as a player so understandably he wants to maximise that.
He re-signed as he was led to believe we'd have a great chance of promotion. That is now looking flakey at best.
On the assumption we didn't go up this year AND didn't sell him, then his chance of playing anywhere but League 1 or below has all but gone as has any serious pay rise for those last couple of years.
Sheffield want him for their push to the play off's - oddly he could find that he goes there, does well along with the rest of the team and they get promoted to the premier league, if they did I suspect he'd at best be a bench warmer.
He's always given 100% for us which is a hell of a lot more than a number of players these past 4 years.
If he goes I wish him well, all thanks to Roland.......
But I may feel differently if I was a player of his age, in the circumstances.
It's all turned to ratshit at Charlton and in football it's a precarious career. I can't really blame a player for wanting to better himself and play at a higher level - hey, he might even get a chance to feature in the Prem should Sheff Utd win the playoffs!
Anyway, are you telling me you wouldn't be interested if another employer head-hunted you, with much better prospects and generous increase in salary? If you might take it, then why shouldn't Ricky?
Sure, he won himself a better contract last summer, but the club also did it to protect their investment - otherwise Ricky could have left for nothing this coming summer at the end of his contract. Now the club can get a hefty fee if they sell him.
Holmes goes, we have pretty much no hope of promotion. At present its a small chance with him, Need to sort out Magdennis and Co as we all know.
"The idea with Ezri was always that there would be that sale and we'd get him back on loan," said Robinson. "The good thing is about this situation [takeover talk, no CEO] there's nobody here for anyone to contact about it.
"It's almost like we've got into bunkers hiding and they can't catch us."
Sadly either could easily replace Magennis yet the tactics will remain the same (i.e. hoof it up to Ajose or KAG rather than trying to thread a pass) - As neither of those two can jump their efforts will look less impressive
As has already been said - if you don't want to be here then go.
It's the same players that were in the promotion mix as there are now. Nothing's changed. Katrien going hasn't impacted the players. Roland being a massive prick and pulling the carpet out from the manager shouldn't have changed anything from the players perspective.
We are still a point from a play off spot so all isn't lost.
This takeover needs to happen ASAFP because it's not just the season that is disappearing on a daily basis - but it sounds like the squad isn't far behind. Time for Jacko, Robbo and Bowyer to earn their corn, rally the troops and create a siege mentality and get the best from each and every player each and every day.
Looks like a complete rebuild in the summer though. It's never dull being a Charlton fan is it!
Robinson answering a random question from a reporter.
Non-story at the mo.
Given how profligate we are in front if goal, I would have thought KR would have been a little more certain regarding the loan terms if he had any genuine interest in him coming back.
Genuinely though i'd let him go if it means we can get someone who wants to try in.
We will not sign anyone regardless of whether we let him go. Roland is gonna try make as much cash before he sells up at a lower price than he really wants