Delighted we rescued a point, even more delighted it was KAG who got the goal. Now we find out I guess if those of us who have defended him will be proven right and he will kick on to score more from here.
Hilarious end to the game given the pant wetting on the match thread at 2-0. Whatever limitations there may be to the team and its management, I'm glad it doesn't give up as quickly as some of our fans.
When was the last time we scored twice in injury time? Not sure I remember us ever doing it.
While I'm with you generally, I do think some of that is due to the abysmal performances from the team over the last two or three years - it's been a while since we've had a bit of fight in our team. Going back four or five I think the majority would've stayed with them until the end.
Powell won with a recognised formation, people coached to do the simple things well and a bit of extra class in the budget. We have a complicated system with diminuitive players that are easily bullied.
It's 2017, not 1987. Most if not all of the players will have played in a possession-based (in theory) 4-2-3-1 before. For many of them it was probably the preferred system growing up.
Thought all their front line looked off side for their first goal, but none of the defence appealed so must've been on. Defence looked dodgy all match and worse when Bauer got crocked. Holmes needed to play a few quicker balls tonight, rather than taking loads of touches, which just allowed their defence to get set. Nice point, but missed the injured players badly. Posh will be kicking themselves.
This 'team' doesnt play as a team, it just tries to operate as 10 individuals and see how far up the pitch it can get. We are now getting sussed out by 'real' teams who play as a unit, maybe they have less skill, but they play together. It operates so distant from each other that there is no real cohesion, Magennis and Best , well, if you had asked me if they had played at the end of the game, then i would have had to check - this is a regular occurrence with Magennis. Another season of mediocrity beckons, and another season of dog shit performances.
You sir are weird sir.
Explain why. please clarify your point.
How long ya got
I think your comment is unfair. Yes we were poor tonight, but we were decent on Saturday and got nothing. I don't agree that we don't play as a team, though we're not as disciplined as I would like. One bad night doesn't make us shit. Before Saturday we were 8 games unbeaten and up to 4th.
We're also missing Reeves, Pearce, Solly, Clarke, and Fosu, and Bauer came off injured. Plus Page and Lennon who are reserves at best. Any team in this league would struggle with those many absences.
Nah, i dont get that. For starters, some people would say that we are maybe a stronger team without Reeves,Solly on recent performances , (including yourself) and Pearce might struggle to get back in the team . Yes, losing someone like Fosu and , maybe, Clark might affect us. Bauer going off maybe upset us tonight , but it had little difference considering PBoro had little attacking ambition. Yes, we didnt deserve to lose on Saturday, but on the other hand , we hardly threatened, did we? I dont think that anyone can deny that we were dreadful tonight in second half - absolute shit, one of the worst performances ive seen for this season.
I couldn't believe some of the shite being talked on the match thread in the first half. Yes we gave away another sloppy goal, but the response was very positive. Isaw more good attacking football in that half than in the sum total of games I watched last season.
Second half was a very different matter. We were being turned over by a far more professional cohesive team.
And yet, even when the match thread had gone into complete suicide mode, (presumably, I gave up reading) the team kept going forward, and look what happened.
Conclusions:
Of course Leon Best was rubbish. Did anyone expect anything much better? Do you really think Robinson thinks he is the answer? Of course not. It's all he can get. It might get a bit better once he works out how to play him and Josh together.
It's true that we tend to overplay to Holmes. There was a point late on where da Silva held the ball, in play, while he waited for Ricky to get to his feet, and then gave him the ball. But feck me, there isn't a team in this division that wouldn't love to have Ricky Holmes in their team.
Something isn't right with our back four as a unit, and it isn't the quality of the players. I'll leave that one to better footballing brains like @SDAddick . Having said that, I am adding Naby Sarr to the growing list of players in this team that I enjoy watching. And frankly if you told me 12 months ago that I would be writing that, I would tell you that there's more chance of me voting Brexit.
I am now a fan of this team, and of Robinson. I am not sure we can stay in the top 6 without strengthening. And I am sure, neither is Robinson. But I like the style he is trying to create as the team's trademark.
And I need to stay off match threads when we are losing. It's just the way they are. The way we are.:-)
Daylight robbery. Without Clarke/Reeves we have no outlet in central midfield as JFK and Kashi sit too deep. Consequently we are forced out to the wings all the time and end up with a succession of crosses for their deenders to eat up.
This 'team' doesnt play as a team, it just tries to operate as 10 individuals and see how far up the pitch it can get. We are now getting sussed out by 'real' teams who play as a unit, maybe they have less skill, but they play together. It operates so distant from each other that there is no real cohesion, Magennis and Best , well, if you had asked me if they had played at the end of the game, then i would have had to check - this is a regular occurrence with Magennis. Another season of mediocrity beckons, and another season of dog shit performances.
You sir are weird sir.
Explain why. please clarify your point.
How long ya got
I think your comment is unfair. Yes we were poor tonight, but we were decent on Saturday and got nothing. I don't agree that we don't play as a team, though we're not as disciplined as I would like. One bad night doesn't make us shit. Before Saturday we were 8 games unbeaten and up to 4th.
We're also missing Reeves, Pearce, Solly, Clarke, and Fosu, and Bauer came off injured. Plus Page and Lennon who are reserves at best. Any team in this league would struggle with those many absences.
Nah, i dont get that. For starters, some people would say that we are maybe a stronger team without Reeves,Solly on recent performances , (including yourself) and Pearce might struggle to get back in the team . Yes, losing someone like Fosu and , maybe, Clark might affect us. Bauer going off maybe upset us tonight , but it had little difference considering PBoro had little attacking ambition. Yes, we didnt deserve to lose on Saturday, but on the other hand , we hardly threatened, did we? I dont think that anyone can deny that we were dreadful tonight in second half - absolute shit, one of the worst performances ive seen for this season.
True I argued we were better without Solly and on tonight's evidence that looks wrong. And I also agree that Pearce would struggle to get into the team. But that doesn't mean they're not missed, and the other three are crucial players.
On Saturday Magennis hit the inside of the post and and Marshall misses a 1-v-1 in the first half. We were not very good going forward, but we did threaten early doors (also, see above).
I absolutely agree we were awful in the second half. I just don't agree that we're a team that plays like individuals. There is a lot of work to be done, no doubt.
This 'team' doesnt play as a team, it just tries to operate as 10 individuals and see how far up the pitch it can get. We are now getting sussed out by 'real' teams who play as a unit, maybe they have less skill, but they play together. It operates so distant from each other that there is no real cohesion, Magennis and Best , well, if you had asked me if they had played at the end of the game, then i would have had to check - this is a regular occurrence with Magennis. Another season of mediocrity beckons, and another season of dog shit performances.
You sir are weird sir.
Explain why. please clarify your point.
How long ya got
I think your comment is unfair. Yes we were poor tonight, but we were decent on Saturday and got nothing. I don't agree that we don't play as a team, though we're not as disciplined as I would like. One bad night doesn't make us shit. Before Saturday we were 8 games unbeaten and up to 4th.
We're also missing Reeves, Pearce, Solly, Clarke, and Fosu, and Bauer came off injured. Plus Page and Lennon who are reserves at best. Any team in this league would struggle with those many absences.
Nah, i dont get that. For starters, some people would say that we are maybe a stronger team without Reeves,Solly on recent performances , (including yourself) and Pearce might struggle to get back in the team . Yes, losing someone like Fosu and , maybe, Clark might affect us. Bauer going off maybe upset us tonight , but it had little difference considering PBoro had little attacking ambition. Yes, we didnt deserve to lose on Saturday, but on the other hand , we hardly threatened, did we? I dont think that anyone can deny that we were dreadful tonight in second half - absolute shit, one of the worst performances ive seen for this season.
True I argued we were better without Solly and on tonight's evidence that looks wrong. And I also agree that Pearce would struggle to get into the team. But that doesn't mean they're not missed, and the other three are crucial players.
On Saturday Magennis hit the inside of the post and and Marshall misses a 1-v-1 in the first half. We were not very good going forward, but we did threaten early doors (also, see above).
I absolutely agree we were awful in the second half. I just don't agree that we're a team that plays like individuals. There is a lot of work to be done, no doubt.
He hit the inside of the post when he had 75 per cent of the goal to aim at - he should have scored - thats his job ! Marshall is already one of those players where the jury is out - i have my doubts, he did eff all tonight. To me, we play like a team that could be coached by Karel Fraeye - spread out, and pass the ball to each other - of that we are reasonable, but sometimes you have to get the ball to one of your own players in the box ffs - how many saves did their goalie have to make in the game ?
This 'team' doesnt play as a team, it just tries to operate as 10 individuals and see how far up the pitch it can get. We are now getting sussed out by 'real' teams who play as a unit, maybe they have less skill, but they play together. It operates so distant from each other that there is no real cohesion, Magennis and Best , well, if you had asked me if they had played at the end of the game, then i would have had to check - this is a regular occurrence with Magennis. Another season of mediocrity beckons, and another season of dog shit performances.
Awful second half - midfield very poor for most of the game and 442 didn't work. We kept going and somehow managed two goals in injury time despite creating next to nothing prior to that.
Our crosses and corners need to be worked on as most lacked pace and too many were just lobbed into the box.
Fantastic end to the game - most exciting finish for some time.
@President I disagree mate that Josh had 75% of the goal to aim at Saturday from the angle he was at and the keeper spreading himself, who incidentally made a save, I'd say it was less than 50% because I was there. He would have been gutted he never buried it though.
I couldn't believe some of the shite being talked on the match thread in the first half. Yes we gave away another sloppy goal, but the response was very positive. Isaw more good attacking football in that half than in the sum total of games I watched last season.
Second half was a very different matter. We were being turned over by a far more professional cohesive team.
And yet, even when the match thread had gone into complete suicide mode, (presumably, I gave up reading) the team kept going forward, and look what happened.
Conclusions:
Of course Leon Best was rubbish. Did anyone expect anything much better? Do you really think Robinson thinks he is the answer? Of course not. It's all he can get. It might get a bit better once he works out how to play him and Josh together.
It's true that we tend to overplay to Holmes. There was a point late on where da Silva held the ball, in play, while he waited for Ricky to get to his feet, and then gave him the ball. But feck me, there isn't a team in this division that wouldn't love to have Ricky Holmes in their team.
Something isn't right with our back four as a unit, and it isn't the quality of the players. I'll leave that one to better footballing brains like @SDAddick . Having said that, I am adding Naby Sarr to the growing list of players in this team that I enjoy watching. And frankly if you told me 12 months ago that I would be writing that, I would tell you that there's more chance of me voting Brexit.
I am now a fan of this team, and of Robinson. I am not sure we can stay in the top 6 without strengthening. And I am sure, neither is Robinson. But I like the style he is trying to create as the team's trademark.
And I need to stay off match threads when we are losing. It's just the way they are. The way we are.:-)
Agree with all of this, and don't sell yourself short fella. I'm just a wanna football hipster.
My quick and dirty thing on the defense would be that we rely on Bauer and Solly to marshal the back four, and that Solly was obviously out and I have a sneaking suspicion Bauer has been carrying a knock for a couple weeks. It would be why he didn't start against Rochdale and why he came off at the weekend (though that was probably at least tactical, but might explain why he was first off). Prior to him missing MK Dons, we'd conceded 2 goals in 5 games (Fleetwood: 1, Doncaster: 0, Oxford: 1, Bradford: 0, Wimbledon: 0).
I think there are other things, including us losing the ball sloppily and in bad positions, not pressing as much or as quickly as we did early in the season, individual mistakes, all that. It's never just one thing.
Completely agree on Sarr. Thought he was solid tonight again, and his reading of the game is getting better. I also really enjoy watching him play, he's got all the tools a modern center half needs. Plus it was a really nice knock down for KAG's goal.
canters, why do you keep saying that? its so cringeworthy.
Haha it was a joke on the match thread from the Cardiff 5-4 game. Every time someone said it we scored.
I was reminded of it from the thread being bumped earlier so when we went 2 down I thought I'd try and invoke some of the spirit from that day seems the footballing gods were listening.
@President I disagree mate that Josh had 75% of the goal to aim at Saturday from the angle he was at and the keeper spreading himself, who incidentally made a save, I'd say it was less than 50% because I was there.
Maybe its just my general apathy towards Magennis - tonight was probably about the 7/8th time ive seen him play, and i am coming to the conclusion that he just simply isnt a very good player . Never seems to have much impact in a game, doesnt score very many goals, and has no link up skills and seems to go missing for long periods (whether thats a result of our lineup, maybe).
I wish we could get a central attacking midfielder who would take it down the centre a bit like Scottie Parker used to now and again. We are so predictable always attacking down Ricky Holmes wing ( its not a pop at him) but nearly every team in league knows thats whats coming and he and now Dasilva are getting surrounded by opposition players doubling up. All we seem to get from the middle now again is a skocking hit and hope shot from Kashi which seems nearer to row z than the goal. How many times has he recklessly given the ball away recently, thats a big concern because he has been such a massive player for us. Robinson needs to get someone other than Holmes to take the corners. Magennis needs to adopt a bit more of a poachers instinct in front of goal. There were balls coming into their box quite a few times tonight and i cant help thinking that had he put himself in there quickly he might have nicked one. Lastly we need to play it on the floor more and get our passing game back together. Well done though for the lads digging in and getting something out of the game. It may only have been a point but psychologically it was massive because had we of lost we could of gone on a right old wobble.
Powell won with a recognised formation, people coached to do the simple things well and a bit of extra class in the budget. We have a complicated system with diminuitive players that are easily bullied.
It's 2017, not 1987. Most if not all of the players will have played in a possession-based (in theory) 4-2-3-1 before. For many of them it was probably the preferred system growing up.
SDA, CP's side was this division 5 years ago and at least 2 of the current squad played. How many of the sides we face set-up 4-2-3-1? Few of the ones we struggle against.
This 'team' doesnt play as a team, it just tries to operate as 10 individuals and see how far up the pitch it can get. We are now getting sussed out by 'real' teams who play as a unit, maybe they have less skill, but they play together. It operates so distant from each other that there is no real cohesion, Magennis and Best , well, if you had asked me if they had played at the end of the game, then i would have had to check - this is a regular occurrence with Magennis. Another season of mediocrity beckons, and another season of dog shit performances.
You sir are weird sir.
Explain why. please clarify your point.
Cant explain?
Another season of dog shit performances !!!!!!
I’ll leave my explanation at that. Poor tonight but this season has seen some of our best football for seasons.
This 'team' doesnt play as a team, it just tries to operate as 10 individuals and see how far up the pitch it can get. We are now getting sussed out by 'real' teams who play as a unit, maybe they have less skill, but they play together. It operates so distant from each other that there is no real cohesion, Magennis and Best , well, if you had asked me if they had played at the end of the game, then i would have had to check - this is a regular occurrence with Magennis. Another season of mediocrity beckons, and another season of dog shit performances.
You sir are weird sir.
Explain why. please clarify your point.
How long ya got
I think your comment is unfair. Yes we were poor tonight, but we were decent on Saturday and got nothing. I don't agree that we don't play as a team, though we're not as disciplined as I would like. One bad night doesn't make us shit. Before Saturday we were 8 games unbeaten and up to 4th.
We're also missing Reeves, Pearce, Solly, Clarke, and Fosu, and Bauer came off injured. Plus Page and Lennon who are reserves at best. Any team in this league would struggle with those many absences.
Nah, i dont get that. For starters, some people would say that we are maybe a stronger team without Reeves,Solly on recent performances , (including yourself) and Pearce might struggle to get back in the team . Yes, losing someone like Fosu and , maybe, Clark might affect us. Bauer going off maybe upset us tonight , but it had little difference considering PBoro had little attacking ambition. Yes, we didnt deserve to lose on Saturday, but on the other hand , we hardly threatened, did we? I dont think that anyone can deny that we were dreadful tonight in second half - absolute shit, one of the worst performances ive seen for this season.
True I argued we were better without Solly and on tonight's evidence that looks wrong. And I also agree that Pearce would struggle to get into the team. But that doesn't mean they're not missed, and the other three are crucial players.
On Saturday Magennis hit the inside of the post and and Marshall misses a 1-v-1 in the first half. We were not very good going forward, but we did threaten early doors (also, see above).
I absolutely agree we were awful in the second half. I just don't agree that we're a team that plays like individuals. There is a lot of work to be done, no doubt.
He hit the inside of the post when he had 75 per cent of the goal to aim at - he should have scored - thats his job ! Marshall is already one of those players where the jury is out - i have my doubts, he did eff all tonight. To me, we play like a team that could be coached by Karel Fraeye - spread out, and pass the ball to each other - of that we are reasonable, but sometimes you have to get the ball to one of your own players in the box ffs - how many saves did their goalie have to make in the game ?
Oh that's harsh, he had a tight angle and the keeper made a save!
Again, agreed we weren't good tonight, but it's been in the last couple games (sans Reeves, Fosu, Clarke, etc) that we've really lost a cutting edge and a way to break teams down. Tonight was especially bad as our tactic seemed to be to just put crosses in despite it being 1-v-3 or 2-v-4 in the box. It was incredibly frustrating, and Best never looked like winning any of them. As Prague said, what do we expect?
Obviously, we're not perfect, and I think that once we get players back fit we should expect to kick it up another couple of gears--even a gear above October. We've been hit with a cluster of injuries all in the same positions this season, which is unfortunate but happens. I have serious doubts about Robinson, Bowyer, and Jackson being able to take us up to that 4th or 5th gear (I can't drive stick I don't know why I've continued with this metaphor). To over-simplify (because there are a lot of mitigating factors), that could be the difference between play-offs and automatic promotion. Or maybe even a decent League One manager and one who gets considered for Championship jobs. But I think that's hard to judge with the injuries we currently have, and the trouble we've had much of the season.
How long do we need to keep debating until you turn up at my parents', because, seriously, they'd love to hear from...well anyone really . (I have great respect for you fella please take that as a loving joke).
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Yes, we didnt deserve to lose on Saturday, but on the other hand , we hardly threatened, did we?
I dont think that anyone can deny that we were dreadful tonight in second half - absolute shit, one of the worst performances ive seen for this season.
I couldn't believe some of the shite being talked on the match thread in the first half. Yes we gave away another sloppy goal, but the response was very positive. Isaw more good attacking football in that half than in the sum total of games I watched last season.
Second half was a very different matter. We were being turned over by a far more professional cohesive team.
And yet, even when the match thread had gone into complete suicide mode, (presumably, I gave up reading) the team kept going forward, and look what happened.
Conclusions:
Of course Leon Best was rubbish. Did anyone expect anything much better? Do you really think Robinson thinks he is the answer? Of course not. It's all he can get. It might get a bit better once he works out how to play him and Josh together.
It's true that we tend to overplay to Holmes. There was a point late on where da Silva held the ball, in play, while he waited for Ricky to get to his feet, and then gave him the ball. But feck me, there isn't a team in this division that wouldn't love to have Ricky Holmes in their team.
Something isn't right with our back four as a unit, and it isn't the quality of the players. I'll leave that one to better footballing brains like @SDAddick . Having said that, I am adding Naby Sarr to the growing list of players in this team that I enjoy watching. And frankly if you told me 12 months ago that I would be writing that, I would tell you that there's more chance of me voting Brexit.
I am now a fan of this team, and of Robinson. I am not sure we can stay in the top 6 without strengthening. And I am sure, neither is Robinson. But I like the style he is trying to create as the team's trademark.
And I need to stay off match threads when we are losing. It's just the way they are. The way we are.:-)
On Saturday Magennis hit the inside of the post and and Marshall misses a 1-v-1 in the first half. We were not very good going forward, but we did threaten early doors (also, see above).
I absolutely agree we were awful in the second half. I just don't agree that we're a team that plays like individuals. There is a lot of work to be done, no doubt.
Marshall is already one of those players where the jury is out - i have my doubts, he did eff all tonight.
To me, we play like a team that could be coached by Karel Fraeye - spread out, and pass the ball to each other - of that we are reasonable, but sometimes you have to get the ball to one of your own players in the box ffs - how many saves did their goalie have to make in the game ?
Our crosses and corners need to be worked on as most lacked pace and too many were just lobbed into the box.
Fantastic end to the game - most exciting finish for some time.
My quick and dirty thing on the defense would be that we rely on Bauer and Solly to marshal the back four, and that Solly was obviously out and I have a sneaking suspicion Bauer has been carrying a knock for a couple weeks. It would be why he didn't start against Rochdale and why he came off at the weekend (though that was probably at least tactical, but might explain why he was first off). Prior to him missing MK Dons, we'd conceded 2 goals in 5 games (Fleetwood: 1, Doncaster: 0, Oxford: 1, Bradford: 0, Wimbledon: 0).
I think there are other things, including us losing the ball sloppily and in bad positions, not pressing as much or as quickly as we did early in the season, individual mistakes, all that. It's never just one thing.
Completely agree on Sarr. Thought he was solid tonight again, and his reading of the game is getting better. I also really enjoy watching him play, he's got all the tools a modern center half needs. Plus it was a really nice knock down for KAG's goal.
I was reminded of it from the thread being bumped earlier so when we went 2 down I thought I'd try and invoke some of the spirit from that day seems the footballing gods were listening.
SISS
We are so predictable always attacking down Ricky Holmes wing ( its not a pop at him) but nearly every team in league knows thats whats coming and he and now Dasilva are getting surrounded by opposition players doubling up.
All we seem to get from the middle now again is a skocking hit and hope shot from Kashi which seems nearer to row z than the goal.
How many times has he recklessly given the ball away recently, thats a big concern because he has been such a massive player for us.
Robinson needs to get someone other than Holmes to take the corners.
Magennis needs to adopt a bit more of a poachers instinct in front of goal. There were balls coming into their box quite a few times tonight and i cant help thinking that had he put himself in there quickly he might have nicked one.
Lastly we need to play it on the floor more and get our passing game back together.
Well done though for the lads digging in and getting something out of the game.
It may only have been a point but psychologically it was massive because had we of lost we could of gone on a right old wobble.
Stopped paying attention at about 87 minutes. That's funny.
I’ll leave my explanation at that. Poor tonight but this season has seen some of our best football for seasons.
Again, agreed we weren't good tonight, but it's been in the last couple games (sans Reeves, Fosu, Clarke, etc) that we've really lost a cutting edge and a way to break teams down. Tonight was especially bad as our tactic seemed to be to just put crosses in despite it being 1-v-3 or 2-v-4 in the box. It was incredibly frustrating, and Best never looked like winning any of them. As Prague said, what do we expect?
Obviously, we're not perfect, and I think that once we get players back fit we should expect to kick it up another couple of gears--even a gear above October. We've been hit with a cluster of injuries all in the same positions this season, which is unfortunate but happens. I have serious doubts about Robinson, Bowyer, and Jackson being able to take us up to that 4th or 5th gear (I can't drive stick I don't know why I've continued with this metaphor). To over-simplify (because there are a lot of mitigating factors), that could be the difference between play-offs and automatic promotion. Or maybe even a decent League One manager and one who gets considered for Championship jobs. But I think that's hard to judge with the injuries we currently have, and the trouble we've had much of the season.
How long do we need to keep debating until you turn up at my parents', because, seriously, they'd love to hear from...well anyone really