The divisions within the party have reached breaking point. Rees-Mogg wants Hammond sacked because he’s the only senior obstacle to the loonies getting their hard Brexit and telling the 27 to do one once May is ousted which looks increasingly likely now.
Who on earth will take her place. The runners and riders are like the muppet show.
Believe me Shooters, Hammond isn't the only obstacle in the cabinet opposed to a hard Brexit.
The divisions within the party have reached breaking point. Rees-Mogg wants Hammond sacked because he’s the only senior obstacle to the loonies getting their hard Brexit and telling the 27 to do one once May is ousted which looks increasingly likely now.
Who on earth will take her place. The runners and riders are like the muppet show.
Part of me wants the likes of Rees Mogg and the rest of his knights Templar to have their opportunity to take their place at head of the table and realise it’s not the medieval ages anymore
These are the Tories that still want believe in colonialism and all that came of it
Rees Mogg leading Britain would be our equivalent of Trump
We are a bunch of idiots in this country sometimes, but I don’t think we have sunk that low yet
The divisions within the party have reached breaking point. Rees-Mogg wants Hammond sacked because he’s the only senior obstacle to the loonies getting their hard Brexit and telling the 27 to do one once May is ousted which looks increasingly likely now.
Who on earth will take her place. The runners and riders are like the muppet show.
Part of me wants the likes of Rees Mogg and the rest of his knights Templar to have their opportunity to take their place at head of the table and realise it’s not the medieval ages anymore
These are the Tories that still want believe in colonialism and all that came of it
Rees Mogg leading Britain would be our equivalent of Trump
We are a bunch of idiots in this country sometimes, but I don’t think we have sunk that low yet
I fear you are lulled by the new "apparent" equality of Britain based on the fearless attacks on the "establishment" by anonymous keyboard warriors. In reality the old deferential attitude of many Brits is still in place and can be seen in remarks on here. For example @Chippycafc , a good working man, isa fan of "jacob". Aren't you, Chips?
The car forum is for British Leyland...... nuff said
No way will Mogg become PM, sadly I think Boris is more likely and not sure who is worse, what a choice.
I'm not convinced Auntie Theresa will go anytime soon, they'll let Brexit play out for a while longer yet and see how the Polls do by the end of the year. If she's fallen majorly behind they'll out her then in early 2019.
The car forum is for British Leyland...... nuff said
No way will Mogg become PM, sadly I think Boris is more likely and not sure who is worse, what a choice.
I'm not convinced Auntie Theresa will go anytime soon, they'll let Brexit play out for a while longer yet and see how the Polls do by the end of the year. If she's fallen majorly behind they'll out her then in early 2019.
I thought this until quite recently but the recent Brexit noises are unsettling many of the rabid leavers within the party and don’t like what they are hearing from Juncker and Tusk about Britain still being able to change its mind. Theresa Villiers has said that the government are selling out on Brexit. That alone, despite May’s Brexit means Brexit means that at some point the leave faction will want a committed leaver as PM.
It only takes 48 letters to be sent before a challenge is mounted and I listened to the BBC over the weekend where it was suggested that more will be sent over the weekend and early this week. Nobody knows how many at this point but it’s getting close.
Quite who replaces her is very worrying. Mogg is very popular at grass roots as is Boris. Gove is a bird shit of a man who is deluded enough he is in with a shot.
I suppose it’s possible that May wins any challenge. Interesting times.
The car forum is for British Leyland...... nuff said
No way will Mogg become PM, sadly I think Boris is more likely and not sure who is worse, what a choice.
I'm not convinced Auntie Theresa will go anytime soon, they'll let Brexit play out for a while longer yet and see how the Polls do by the end of the year. If she's fallen majorly behind they'll out her then in early 2019.
I thought this until quite recently but the recent Brexit noises are unsettling many of the rabid leavers within the party and don’t like what they are hearing from Juncker and Tusk about Britain still being able to change its mind. Theresa Villiers has said that the government are selling out on Brexit. That alone, despite May’s Brexit means Brexit means that at some point the leave faction will want a committed leaver as PM.
It only takes 48 letters to be sent before a challenge is mounted and I listened to the BBC over the weekend where it was suggested that more will be sent over the weekend and early this week. Nobody knows how many at this point but it’s getting close.
Quite who replaces her is very worrying. Mogg is very popular at grass roots as is Boris. Gove is a bird shit of a man who is deluded enough he is in with a shot.
I suppose it’s possible that May wins any challenge. Interesting times.
Mogg to the Foreign Office. He can re-establish the East India company and get the Colonies back in line. Boris (Al to the family) as a Trump type Presidential PM. Redwood as Chancellor, Gove to (Re) Education, Villiers to Home Office. Lilley, Lansley and Mitchell as advisers to Fox. Sorted
Dunno but if this game was played on june 22nd 2016 score would be 1-0 to spurs... Be careful seth will say brexit has made spurs be shit. And its all my fault.
If you're going to mention me, then perhaps you can apologise for calling me a liar...but then again that would take a bit of class on your part so would represent a massive challenge for you.
I had a handshake with you a while ago not to comment or tick the little tags at the bottom. Despite the fact that you continued to break "our agreement" I refrained from joining in. Then I thought if he cant be honourable and that's how he behaves when he handshakes with someone, I would join in. Now, who lacks class.
Dunno but if this game was played on june 22nd 2016 score would be 1-0 to spurs... Be careful seth will say brexit has made spurs be shit. And its all my fault.
If you're going to mention me, then perhaps you can apologise for calling me a liar...but then again that would take a bit of class on your part so would represent a massive challenge for you.
I had a handshake with you a while ago not to comment or tick the little tags at the bottom. Despite the fact that you continued to break "our agreement" I refrained from joining in. Then I thought if he cant be honourable and that's how he behaves when he handshakes with someone, I would join in. Now, who lacks class.
This would be a way you justify whatever to yourself, except we kind of agreed to ignore each other but you persisted with your continual lol's on my posts (which in themselves I don't care about, but as a point of order I haven't 'ticked' you), and your continual indirect responses which didn't include quotes of my posts but were comments on them. Classless. I have accepted your responses however you framed them, but you called me a liar directly and have failed to either justify that, or apologise. Not a matter of honour, a simple matter of classlessness, calling me out as a liar just like that is the internet equivalent of a footballer spitting on an opponent, and it is low grade unimaginative classlessness at that.
As suggested last year, if May and Hammond are pushed and hard Brexiteers takeover then we may find that the likes of Clarke, Heseltine and others cross the floor to bring down the government. They detest the duplicity that has brought us to this point and simply do not believe that the EU is the problem. They have hinted that they will place the interests of the country above Party in pursuit of EFTA membership aka a "soft" Brexit. The likes of Rees Mogg have their moment in the limelight but the fact remains that they represent just 1/3 of the electorate.
Those peddling the Clegg / Blair line about fighting the referendum are missing the point. The battleground is "Canada vs Norway" for 2018. Only when that dispute is settled ca n the nation consider the details. If May and Hammond cannot deliver a Norway option then they should fall on their swords if the economic models are true re. the impact of a Canada option.
We either stay in the SM and CU or not. Latest polls suggest a landslide in favour of Labour policy to stay as a Scandi style semi-detached nation.
Those in favour of leaving have have provided no vision except to drop membership of the largest trade bloc in the world and pursue random opportunities elsewhere.
As suggested last year, if May and Hammond are pushed and hard Brexiteers takeover then we may find that the likes of Clarke, Heseltine and others cross the floor to bring down the government. They detest the duplicity that has brought us to this point and simply do not believe that the EU is the problem. They have hinted that they will place the interests of the country above Party in pursuit of EFTA membership aka a "soft" Brexit. The likes of Rees Mogg have their moment in the limelight but the fact remains that they represent just 1/3 of the electorate.
Those peddling the Clegg / Blair line about fighting the referendum are missing the point. The battleground is "Canada vs Norway" for 2018. Only when that dispute is settled ca n the nation consider the details. If May and Hammond cannot deliver a Norway option then they should fall on their swords if the economic models are true re. the impact of a Canada option.
We either stay in the SM and CU or not. Latest polls suggest a landslide in favour of Labour policy to stay as a Scandi style semi-detached nation.
Those in favour of leaving have have provided no vision except to drop membership of the largest trade bloc in the world and pursue random opportunities elsewhere.
The Labour Party is in a complete shambles as far as Brexit is concerned. They are so desperate, led by the swivel eyed Momentum lunatics, to keep their northern base that they have assumed they can ignore their other base in London and the South east. I know I am not alone in being a life long Labour voter who did not vote Labour at the last election solely because of their failure to fight against any kind of Brexit. I think Labour will lose some seats in London in the next election if they continue to treat their London supporters like they were moronic Brexit voters.
Meanwhile the EU assume they are dealing with the UK not a particular political party, and they rightly expect the UK to state their requirements. The EU have been consistent and clear, the UK clueless.
As suggested last year, if May and Hammond are pushed and hard Brexiteers takeover then we may find that the likes of Clarke, Heseltine and others cross the floor to bring down the government. They detest the duplicity that has brought us to this point and simply do not believe that the EU is the problem. They have hinted that they will place the interests of the country above Party in pursuit of EFTA membership aka a "soft" Brexit. The likes of Rees Mogg have their moment in the limelight but the fact remains that they represent just 1/3 of the electorate.
Those peddling the Clegg / Blair line about fighting the referendum are missing the point. The battleground is "Canada vs Norway" for 2018. Only when that dispute is settled ca n the nation consider the details. If May and Hammond cannot deliver a Norway option then they should fall on their swords if the economic models are true re. the impact of a Canada option.
We either stay in the SM and CU or not. Latest polls suggest a landslide in favour of Labour policy to stay as a Scandi style semi-detached nation.
Those in favour of leaving have have provided no vision except to drop membership of the largest trade bloc in the world and pursue random opportunities elsewhere.
The Labour Party are in a complete shambles as far as Brexit is concerned. They are so desperate, led by the swivel eyed Momentum lunatics, to keep their northern base that they have assumed they can ignore their other base in London and the South east. I know I am not alone in being a life long Labour voter who did not vote Labour at the last election solely because of their failure to fight against any kind of Brexit. I think Labour will lose some seats in London in the next election if they continue to treat their London supporters like they were moronic Brexit voters.
This is where timing is so important in politics, if the Lib Dems had someone like Nick Clegg leading them now they could, as you suggest, be picking up a substantial number of seats in the south-east.
Unfortunately for them - and him - Clegg was badly burned in government and having got rid of the hopeless Farron the Lib Dems are now stuck with the well meaning but ineffectual Vince Cable.
That lack of a genuine third force makes it much easier for Corbyn to continue to hedge his bets.
Dunno but if this game was played on june 22nd 2016 score would be 1-0 to spurs... Be careful seth will say brexit has made spurs be shit. And its all my fault.
If you're going to mention me, then perhaps you can apologise for calling me a liar...but then again that would take a bit of class on your part so would represent a massive challenge for you.
I had a handshake with you a while ago not to comment or tick the little tags at the bottom. Despite the fact that you continued to break "our agreement" I refrained from joining in. Then I thought if he cant be honourable and that's how he behaves when he handshakes with someone, I would join in. Now, who lacks class.
This would be a way you justify whatever to yourself, except we kind of agreed to ignore each other but you persisted with your continual lol's on my posts (which in themselves I don't care about, but as a point of order I haven't 'ticked' you), and your continual indirect responses which didn't include quotes of my posts but were comments on them. Classless. I have accepted your responses however you framed them, but you called me a liar directly and have failed to either justify that, or apologise. Not a matter of honour, a simple matter of classlessness, calling me out as a liar just like that is the internet equivalent of a footballer spitting on an opponent, and it is low grade unimaginative classlessness at that.
I don't have to justify anything to anybody especially myself. I hand shake on deals every week with honourable people who like me, stick to what they agree on. You broke that bond on an internet forum, classless, and the equivalent of the above.
As suggested last year, if May and Hammond are pushed and hard Brexiteers takeover then we may find that the likes of Clarke, Heseltine and others cross the floor to bring down the government. They detest the duplicity that has brought us to this point and simply do not believe that the EU is the problem. They have hinted that they will place the interests of the country above Party in pursuit of EFTA membership aka a "soft" Brexit. The likes of Rees Mogg have their moment in the limelight but the fact remains that they represent just 1/3 of the electorate.
Those peddling the Clegg / Blair line about fighting the referendum are missing the point. The battleground is "Canada vs Norway" for 2018. Only when that dispute is settled ca n the nation consider the details. If May and Hammond cannot deliver a Norway option then they should fall on their swords if the economic models are true re. the impact of a Canada option.
We either stay in the SM and CU or not. Latest polls suggest a landslide in favour of Labour policy to stay as a Scandi style semi-detached nation.
Those in favour of leaving have have provided no vision except to drop membership of the largest trade bloc in the world and pursue random opportunities elsewhere.
The Labour Party is in a complete shambles as far as Brexit is concerned. They are so desperate, led by the swivel eyed Momentum lunatics, to keep their northern base that they have assumed they can ignore their other base in London and the South east. I know I am not alone in being a life long Labour voter who did not vote Labour at the last election solely because of their failure to fight against any kind of Brexit. I think Labour will lose some seats in London in the next election if they continue to treat their London supporters like they were moronic Brexit voters.
I think your 'answer' may be correct but that your 'workings out' might be a bit harsh. I think (maybe it is hope!) that the Labour Party are on a journey with Brexit. At the last election they risked annihilation and were too cautious, since then they have gradually moved their position, reflecting what it would seem the electorate want. Of course they want to keep their Northern heartlands, look what happened when they didn't listen to their Scottish heartlands. That is politics.
Like you I would rather that they led more on the issue but understand that there are subtle arguments to win along the way. Their movement has been significant since the election and I think there is more to come.
"High levels of immigration into the UK from the EU, one of the key drivers of Brexit, are coming to an end because of higher growth in the EU."
Is a really interpreting point - if that can be verified surely Brexit is the answer to yesterday's "problem" (for those that interpret freedom of movement as such).
Dunno but if this game was played on june 22nd 2016 score would be 1-0 to spurs... Be careful seth will say brexit has made spurs be shit. And its all my fault.
If you're going to mention me, then perhaps you can apologise for calling me a liar...but then again that would take a bit of class on your part so would represent a massive challenge for you.
I had a handshake with you a while ago not to comment or tick the little tags at the bottom. Despite the fact that you continued to break "our agreement" I refrained from joining in. Then I thought if he cant be honourable and that's how he behaves when he handshakes with someone, I would join in. Now, who lacks class.
This would be a way you justify whatever to yourself, except we kind of agreed to ignore each other but you persisted with your continual lol's on my posts (which in themselves I don't care about, but as a point of order I haven't 'ticked' you), and your continual indirect responses which didn't include quotes of my posts but were comments on them. Classless. I have accepted your responses however you framed them, but you called me a liar directly and have failed to either justify that, or apologise. Not a matter of honour, a simple matter of classlessness, calling me out as a liar just like that is the internet equivalent of a footballer spitting on an opponent, and it is low grade unimaginative classlessness at that.
I don't have to justify anything to anybody especially myself. I hand shake on deals every week with honourable people who like me, stick to what they agree on. You broke that bond on an internet forum, classless, and the equivalent of the above.
I never established any 'bond' of any kind with you. For reasons that are crystal clear to anybody with any self awareness. I wouldn't trust you to be steadfast about anything, a point you reenforce daily judging by what you write on this thread.
I see Liam Fox is now trying to cover his back in an article in the Scum today. He knows ‘the shit is about to hit the fan’ about the lack of progress with these wonderful trade deals we have been promised. Just like Davis he will be looking for an out soon.
Only the self serving Johnson and Gove hanging in there. Surprise, surprise.
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These are the Tories that still want believe in colonialism and all that came of it
Rees Mogg leading Britain would be our equivalent of Trump
We are a bunch of idiots in this country sometimes, but I don’t think we have sunk that low yet
In reality the old deferential attitude of many Brits is still in place and can be seen in remarks on here. For example @Chippycafc , a good working man, isa fan of "jacob". Aren't you, Chips?
and see this tweet
No way will Mogg become PM, sadly I think Boris is more likely and not sure who is worse, what a choice.
I'm not convinced Auntie Theresa will go anytime soon, they'll let Brexit play out for a while longer yet and see how the Polls do by the end of the year. If she's fallen majorly behind they'll out her then in early 2019.
It only takes 48 letters to be sent before a challenge is mounted and I listened to the BBC over the weekend where it was suggested that more will be sent over the weekend and early this week. Nobody knows how many at this point but it’s getting close.
Quite who replaces her is very worrying. Mogg is very popular at grass roots as is Boris. Gove is a bird shit of a man who is deluded enough he is in with a shot.
I suppose it’s possible that May wins any challenge. Interesting times.
Instead, I think it is most appropriate to appropriate the words of 3blokes. She's still here, oh fuck!
I have accepted your responses however you framed them, but you called me a liar directly and have failed to either justify that, or apologise. Not a matter of honour, a simple matter of classlessness, calling me out as a liar just like that is the internet equivalent of a footballer spitting on an opponent, and it is low grade unimaginative classlessness at that.
They detest the duplicity that has brought us to this point and simply do not believe that the EU is the problem. They have hinted that they will place the interests of the country above Party in pursuit of EFTA membership aka a "soft" Brexit.
The likes of Rees Mogg have their moment in the limelight but the fact remains that they represent just 1/3 of the electorate.
Those peddling the Clegg / Blair line about fighting the referendum are missing the point. The battleground is "Canada vs Norway" for 2018. Only when that dispute is settled ca n the nation consider the details. If May and Hammond cannot deliver a Norway option then they should fall on their swords if the economic models are true re. the impact of a Canada option.
We either stay in the SM and CU or not. Latest polls suggest a landslide in favour of Labour policy to stay as a Scandi style semi-detached nation.
Those in favour of leaving have have provided no vision except to drop membership of the largest trade bloc in the world and pursue random opportunities elsewhere.
The EU have been consistent and clear, the UK clueless.
Unfortunately for them - and him - Clegg was badly burned in government and having got rid of the hopeless Farron the Lib Dems are now stuck with the well meaning but ineffectual Vince Cable.
That lack of a genuine third force makes it much easier for Corbyn to continue to hedge his bets.
Like you I would rather that they led more on the issue but understand that there are subtle arguments to win along the way. Their movement has been significant since the election and I think there is more to come.
He gets it.
Is a really interpreting point - if that can be verified surely Brexit is the answer to yesterday's "problem" (for those that interpret freedom of movement as such).
https://www.ft.com/content/b3d35136-0543-11e8-9650-9c0ad2d7c5b5
And confirmed by Sky News Political editor:
Only the self serving Johnson and Gove hanging in there. Surprise, surprise.