In the increasingly likely event of a "no deal" outcome in 2019...
"...thousands of new customs officers will have to be hired and trained, for instance, if goods which currently move freely are to be checked.
Some 130,000 British businesses will have to make customs declarations for the first time – something the Port of Dover has suggested could mean 17-mile tailbacks.
Supermarkets have predicted food shortages and a 22 per cent tariff on food imported from the EU.
The Confederation of British Industry has estimated that 90 per cent of EU goods exports, by value, would face tariffs. World Trade Organisation terms would mean an average tariff of 4.3 per cent, or a total increase in costs of exports to the EU of up to £6bn.
Bilateral trade agreements with other countries that have been struck through the EU will fall away. And if we unilaterally dropped tariffs to zero, in the expectation that the EU would have to follow suit, we would have to do the same for all trade agreements anywhere in the world, something that would devastate agriculture and manufacturing industries..."
Ends by pushing for a transitional deal for however long it takes, which is what any sensible person would do.
Nothing new perhaps but since he was former Head of Staff at the Dept for Exiting the EU and Director of Comms at HM Treasury one assumes he's got at least half an idea about the reality of the situation.
In the increasingly likely event of a "no deal" outcome in 2019...
"...thousands of new customs officers will have to be hired and trained, for instance, if goods which currently move freely are to be checked.
Some 130,000 British businesses will have to make customs declarations for the first time – something the Port of Dover has suggested could mean 17-mile tailbacks.
Supermarkets have predicted food shortages and a 22 per cent tariff on food imported from the EU.
The Confederation of British Industry has estimated that 90 per cent of EU goods exports, by value, would face tariffs. World Trade Organisation terms would mean an average tariff of 4.3 per cent, or a total increase in costs of exports to the EU of up to £6bn.
Bilateral trade agreements with other countries that have been struck through the EU will fall away. And if we unilaterally dropped tariffs to zero, in the expectation that the EU would have to follow suit, we would have to do the same for all trade agreements anywhere in the world, something that would devastate agriculture and manufacturing industries..."
Ends by pushing for a transitional deal for however long it takes, which is what any sensible person would do.
Nothing new perhaps but since he was former Head of Staff at the Dept for Exiting the EU and Director of Comms at HM Treasury one assumes he's got at least half an idea about the reality of the situation.
This might be seen as a version of operation fear but operation fear has never existed, it has always been a case of operation we voted for it we pay for it. Blue passports are worth any amount of money.
A bit confused (as usual). I thought the idea was to have this volunteer Homeguard set up (possibly led by some ex military type like Iain Duncan Smith) who would stop these chaps from crossing the borders at minimum cost. Tell the French they don’t need all the costly fences etc.
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
"We give £44million a year to British patients on the NHS"
"Lets take that and give it to the French to spend on illegal migrants."
No lets give the billions they already waste or let the 900 billion defrauded every year pay for it. What a lovely club to be in. Good to see why the experts never answer that question. Wonder if the guardian has it in their headlines.
"We give £44million a year to British patients on the NHS"
"Lets take that and give it to the French to spend on illegal migrants."
No lets give the billions they already waste or let the 900 billion defrauded every year pay for it. What a lovely club to be in. Good to see why the experts never answer that question. Wonder if the guardian has it in their headlines.
900 billion a year? Is that in Euros or Pounds? I mean I know it is a completely made-up number but interesting to know how these lies you tell us are supposed to be calculated?
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.
"We give £44million a year to British patients on the NHS"
"Lets take that and give it to the French to spend on illegal migrants."
No lets give the billions they already waste or let the 900 billion defrauded every year pay for it. What a lovely club to be in. Good to see why the experts never answer that question. Wonder if the guardian has it in their headlines.
The agreement with the French is absolutely nothing to do with the EU. No doubt it will be spun by the nut jobs to suggest it does but why let facts get in the way of sensible debate.
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.
That’s a bit ageist, but I’ll bite, what changes being 38 to being 42 when it comes to voting.....
"We give £44million a year to British patients on the NHS"
"Lets take that and give it to the French to spend on illegal migrants."
No lets give the billions they already waste or let the 900 billion defrauded every year pay for it. What a lovely club to be in. Good to see why the experts never answer that question. Wonder if the guardian has it in their headlines.
900 billion a year? Is that in Euros or Pounds? I mean I know it is a completely made-up number but interesting to know how these lies you tell us are supposed to be calculated?
Was on a link that was posted on the last thread... Maybe you read it as your other half before.
"We give £44million a year to British patients on the NHS"
"Lets take that and give it to the French to spend on illegal migrants."
No lets give the billions they already waste or let the 900 billion defrauded every year pay for it. What a lovely club to be in. Good to see why the experts never answer that question. Wonder if the guardian has it in their headlines.
The agreement with the French is absolutely nothing to do with the EU. No doubt it will be spun by the nut jobs to suggest it does but why let facts get in the way of sensible debate.
Give over the remain spin everything when it suits just like the ridiculous assumption on the 17 mile tailbacks, course there wont be any on the other side as they wont want to deal with us anymore.
"We give £44million a year to British patients on the NHS"
"Lets take that and give it to the French to spend on illegal migrants."
No lets give the billions they already waste or let the 900 billion defrauded every year pay for it. What a lovely club to be in. Good to see why the experts never answer that question. Wonder if the guardian has it in their headlines.
900 billion a year? Is that in Euros or Pounds? I mean I know it is a completely made-up number but interesting to know how these lies you tell us are supposed to be calculated?
Was also on a EU funded study...... So you could multiply the real cost as many times as you choose to get the actual cost.
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.
That’s a bit ageist, but I’ll bite, what changes being 38 to being 42 when it comes to voting.....
It isn't to say anything changes with the person so much than the circumstances facing them. Although its a useful milestone especially since that seems to be the cut-off point for how people voted in the referendum (under 40 overwhelmingly vote to Remain and over 40 voted to Leave). That isn't to say that you definitely voted Remain or Leave based on your age but your age is a factor in determining your values and priorities.
As this is a Brexit thread I won't go into too much detail on why under 40s have no reason to vote Tory but it basically comes down to the fact that those born from 1975 onwards are more likely to hold values and opinions that are simply incompatible with Tory ideology, and that losers from Tory policies have generally been younger people. I have gone into detail in the past over specific policies and why younger people are much worse off as a result of those policies, they are most likely in either the 2017 election thread or the Tories thread.
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.
That’s a bit ageist, but I’ll bite, what changes being 38 to being 42 when it comes to voting.....
It isn't to say anything changes with the person so much than the circumstances facing them. Although its a useful milestone especially since that seems to be the cut-off point for how people voted in the referendum (under 40 overwhelmingly vote to Remain and over 40 voted to Leave). That isn't to say that you definitely voted Remain or Leave based on your age but your age is a factor in determining your values and priorities.
As this is a Brexit thread I won't go into too much detail on why under 40s have no reason to vote Tory but it basically comes down to the fact that those born from 1975 onwards are more likely to hold values and opinions that are simply incompatible with Tory ideology, and that losers from Tory policies have generally been younger people. I have gone into detail in the past over specific policies and why younger people are much worse off as a result of those policies, they are most likely in either the 2017 election thread or the Tories thread.
And you accuse me of bullshit... About time you went out to the real world and got a life...
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.
That’s a bit ageist, but I’ll bite, what changes being 38 to being 42 when it comes to voting.....
It isn't to say anything changes with the person so much than the circumstances facing them. Although its a useful milestone especially since that seems to be the cut-off point for how people voted in the referendum (under 40 overwhelmingly vote to Remain and over 40 voted to Leave). That isn't to say that you definitely voted Remain or Leave based on your age but your age is a factor in determining your values and priorities.
As this is a Brexit thread I won't go into too much detail on why under 40s have no reason to vote Tory but it basically comes down to the fact that those born from 1975 onwards are more likely to hold values and opinions that are simply incompatible with Tory ideology, and that losers from Tory policies have generally been younger people. I have gone into detail in the past over specific policies and why younger people are much worse off as a result of those policies, they are most likely in either the 2017 election thread or the Tories thread.
And you accuse me of bullshit... About time you went out to the real world and got a life...
Says the liar who spent the last few hours posting total shit on a football forum.
"We give £44million a year to British patients on the NHS"
"Lets take that and give it to the French to spend on illegal migrants."
No lets give the billions they already waste or let the 900 billion defrauded every year pay for it. What a lovely club to be in. Good to see why the experts never answer that question. Wonder if the guardian has it in their headlines.
The agreement with the French is absolutely nothing to do with the EU. No doubt it will be spun by the nut jobs to suggest it does but why let facts get in the way of sensible debate.
Give over the remain spin everything when it suits just like the ridiculous assumption on the 17 mile tailbacks, course there wont be any on the other side as they wont want to deal with us anymore.
I’ll agree that both sides of the debate are capable of spin but facts are facts. The EU has nothing to do with the agreement in question and I doubt it could care less about it with the exception of Macron of course.
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
News night a few weeks ago ran a piece about how many deaths occur in the U.K. each year and the generational divide re: older voters voting out versus younger voters staying. I can’t remember the exact numbers but they reckon by about 2020/21, the leave/remain balance would’ve shifted back in remain’s favour because the older voters would’ve died. Not for one second suggesting that that this is a reason not to honour brexit etc or that because once you get to a certain age you are no longer allowed a say on the future of the country, just found it fascinating that from a numbers and statistics point of view, we’ve got a decision that statistically only reflects a very short period of 5 years or so, and the majority of people that will remain and live in Britain for a long time after we leave, wanted to remain
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.
That’s a bit ageist, but I’ll bite, what changes being 38 to being 42 when it comes to voting.....
It isn't to say anything changes with the person so much than the circumstances facing them. Although its a useful milestone especially since that seems to be the cut-off point for how people voted in the referendum (under 40 overwhelmingly vote to Remain and over 40 voted to Leave). That isn't to say that you definitely voted Remain or Leave based on your age but your age is a factor in determining your values and priorities.
As this is a Brexit thread I won't go into too much detail on why under 40s have no reason to vote Tory but it basically comes down to the fact that those born from 1975 onwards are more likely to hold values and opinions that are simply incompatible with Tory ideology, and that losers from Tory policies have generally been younger people. I have gone into detail in the past over specific policies and why younger people are much worse off as a result of those policies, they are most likely in either the 2017 election thread or the Tories thread.
And you accuse me of bullshit... About time you went out to the real world and got a life...
Says the liar who spent the last few hours posting total shit on a football forum.
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.
That’s a bit ageist, but I’ll bite, what changes being 38 to being 42 when it comes to voting.....
It isn't to say anything changes with the person so much than the circumstances facing them. Although its a useful milestone especially since that seems to be the cut-off point for how people voted in the referendum (under 40 overwhelmingly vote to Remain and over 40 voted to Leave). That isn't to say that you definitely voted Remain or Leave based on your age but your age is a factor in determining your values and priorities.
As this is a Brexit thread I won't go into too much detail on why under 40s have no reason to vote Tory but it basically comes down to the fact that those born from 1975 onwards are more likely to hold values and opinions that are simply incompatible with Tory ideology, and that losers from Tory policies have generally been younger people. I have gone into detail in the past over specific policies and why younger people are much worse off as a result of those policies, they are most likely in either the 2017 election thread or the Tories thread.
And you accuse me of bullshit... About time you went out to the real world and got a life...
Says the liar who spent the last few hours posting total shit on a football forum.
And we both know where you are being fraudulent don't we.
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.
That’s a bit ageist, but I’ll bite, what changes being 38 to being 42 when it comes to voting.....
It isn't to say anything changes with the person so much than the circumstances facing them. Although its a useful milestone especially since that seems to be the cut-off point for how people voted in the referendum (under 40 overwhelmingly vote to Remain and over 40 voted to Leave). That isn't to say that you definitely voted Remain or Leave based on your age but your age is a factor in determining your values and priorities.
As this is a Brexit thread I won't go into too much detail on why under 40s have no reason to vote Tory but it basically comes down to the fact that those born from 1975 onwards are more likely to hold values and opinions that are simply incompatible with Tory ideology, and that losers from Tory policies have generally been younger people. I have gone into detail in the past over specific policies and why younger people are much worse off as a result of those policies, they are most likely in either the 2017 election thread or the Tories thread.
And you accuse me of bullshit... About time you went out to the real world and got a life...
Says the liar who spent the last few hours posting total shit on a football forum.
Got any out of date links to post again.
Got any German cities to lie about visiting again?
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.
That’s a bit ageist, but I’ll bite, what changes being 38 to being 42 when it comes to voting.....
It isn't to say anything changes with the person so much than the circumstances facing them. Although its a useful milestone especially since that seems to be the cut-off point for how people voted in the referendum (under 40 overwhelmingly vote to Remain and over 40 voted to Leave). That isn't to say that you definitely voted Remain or Leave based on your age but your age is a factor in determining your values and priorities.
As this is a Brexit thread I won't go into too much detail on why under 40s have no reason to vote Tory but it basically comes down to the fact that those born from 1975 onwards are more likely to hold values and opinions that are simply incompatible with Tory ideology, and that losers from Tory policies have generally been younger people. I have gone into detail in the past over specific policies and why younger people are much worse off as a result of those policies, they are most likely in either the 2017 election thread or the Tories thread.
And you accuse me of bullshit... About time you went out to the real world and got a life...
Says the liar who spent the last few hours posting total shit on a football forum.
Got any out of date links to post again.
Got any German cities to lie about visiting again?
Where havent i visited then... Wheres chizz in his box.
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.
That’s a bit ageist, but I’ll bite, what changes being 38 to being 42 when it comes to voting.....
It isn't to say anything changes with the person so much than the circumstances facing them. Although its a useful milestone especially since that seems to be the cut-off point for how people voted in the referendum (under 40 overwhelmingly vote to Remain and over 40 voted to Leave). That isn't to say that you definitely voted Remain or Leave based on your age but your age is a factor in determining your values and priorities.
As this is a Brexit thread I won't go into too much detail on why under 40s have no reason to vote Tory but it basically comes down to the fact that those born from 1975 onwards are more likely to hold values and opinions that are simply incompatible with Tory ideology, and that losers from Tory policies have generally been younger people. I have gone into detail in the past over specific policies and why younger people are much worse off as a result of those policies, they are most likely in either the 2017 election thread or the Tories thread.
And you accuse me of bullshit... About time you went out to the real world and got a life...
Says the liar who spent the last few hours posting total shit on a football forum.
And we both know where you are being fraudulent don't we.
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.
That’s a bit ageist, but I’ll bite, what changes being 38 to being 42 when it comes to voting.....
It isn't to say anything changes with the person so much than the circumstances facing them. Although its a useful milestone especially since that seems to be the cut-off point for how people voted in the referendum (under 40 overwhelmingly vote to Remain and over 40 voted to Leave). That isn't to say that you definitely voted Remain or Leave based on your age but your age is a factor in determining your values and priorities.
As this is a Brexit thread I won't go into too much detail on why under 40s have no reason to vote Tory but it basically comes down to the fact that those born from 1975 onwards are more likely to hold values and opinions that are simply incompatible with Tory ideology, and that losers from Tory policies have generally been younger people. I have gone into detail in the past over specific policies and why younger people are much worse off as a result of those policies, they are most likely in either the 2017 election thread or the Tories thread.
And you accuse me of bullshit... About time you went out to the real world and got a life...
Says the liar who spent the last few hours posting total shit on a football forum.
And we both know where you are being fraudulent don't we.
Time to log off and go outside Mr Lying Trollboy.
Truth hurts mate.. Surprised the others never sussed you earlier... Maybe they did but were being kind. Love exposing fraudsters.
Justine Greening speaks the Brexit truth that few Tories will admit Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
There simply is zero reason for anyone under 40 to vote Tory. They have been the target of Tory venom for the past 8 years and Brexit is simply the greatest of all betrayals of those who prop up the ageing population. Their values are simply incompatible with anyone born after the baby boom. Whether or not voters will remember the way they have been treated remains to be seen, but also all those loyal Brexit voters will eventually realise once the house of cards collapses what a con Brexit was. Just depends whether they believe the lies from the Sun and the Mail as well as UKIP that the failures of Brexit are because of Remainer saboteurs as opposed to the utter reprehensibility of those who orchestrated Brexit in the first place.
That’s a bit ageist, but I’ll bite, what changes being 38 to being 42 when it comes to voting.....
It isn't to say anything changes with the person so much than the circumstances facing them. Although its a useful milestone especially since that seems to be the cut-off point for how people voted in the referendum (under 40 overwhelmingly vote to Remain and over 40 voted to Leave). That isn't to say that you definitely voted Remain or Leave based on your age but your age is a factor in determining your values and priorities.
As this is a Brexit thread I won't go into too much detail on why under 40s have no reason to vote Tory but it basically comes down to the fact that those born from 1975 onwards are more likely to hold values and opinions that are simply incompatible with Tory ideology, and that losers from Tory policies have generally been younger people. I have gone into detail in the past over specific policies and why younger people are much worse off as a result of those policies, they are most likely in either the 2017 election thread or the Tories thread.
And you accuse me of bullshit... About time you went out to the real world and got a life...
Says the liar who spent the last few hours posting total shit on a football forum.
And we both know where you are being fraudulent don't we.
Time to log off and go outside Mr Lying Trollboy.
Truth hurts mate.. Surprised the others never sussed you earlier... Maybe they did but were being kind. Love exposing fraudsters.
The truth here is you've been exposed multiple times as a lying far-right troll. Not a single thing you have posted has been a positive contribution or remotely true. No surprise every reply to you is either mocking or contempt.
Comments
"...thousands of new customs officers will have to be hired and trained, for instance, if goods which currently move freely are to be checked.
Some 130,000 British businesses will have to make customs declarations for the first time – something the Port of Dover has suggested could mean 17-mile tailbacks.
Supermarkets have predicted food shortages and a 22 per cent tariff on food imported from the EU.
The Confederation of British Industry has estimated that 90 per cent of EU goods exports, by value, would face tariffs. World Trade Organisation terms would mean an average tariff of 4.3 per cent, or a total increase in costs of exports to the EU of up to £6bn.
Bilateral trade agreements with other countries that have been struck through the EU will fall away. And if we unilaterally dropped tariffs to zero, in the expectation that the EU would have to follow suit, we would have to do the same for all trade agreements anywhere in the world, something that would devastate agriculture and manufacturing industries..."
And so on...
https://inews.co.uk/opinion/james-chapman-take-no-deal-brexit-off-table/
Ends by pushing for a transitional deal for however long it takes, which is what any sensible person would do.
Nothing new perhaps but since he was former Head of Staff at the Dept for Exiting the EU and Director of Comms at HM Treasury one assumes he's got at least half an idea about the reality of the situation.
"We give £44million a year to British patients on the NHS"
"Lets take that and give it to the French to spend on illegal migrants."
Blue passports are worth any amount of money.
All pretty simple. No blue passport, no entry!
Going to be interesting to see how this turns out.
Brexit hurt the Conservatives badly at the last election and could well have long-run implications on their ability to form future majority governments.
STEPHEN BUSH
In a surprise to absolutely no-one but Theresa May, Justine Greening used her new-found freedom from the Cabinet to sound a warning on Brexit (which her constituency largely opposes) and its impact on the young (which her constituency contains in large number).
It's easy to be cynical about her motives and it seems unlikely that the twin attraction of being a thorn in the side of a PM who treated Greening shabbily and whose allies briefed against her while maximising her hopes of holding onto her Putney seat don't play a role.
But she's also right. A great deal of sound and fury is being expended on the prospect of a second referendum before Brexit takes place. Absent a compelling plan to replace half of the Conservative parliamentary party and the Labour leadership too, that debate simply isn't worth anyone's time, as you can't get to 325 votes for a second referendum in the current House of Commons. (And as I explain in my column this week, the Labour leadership is well entrenched and likely in it for the long haul.)
The problem for Brexiteers is not that Brexit won't happen but that it will either be a failure economically and/or it will never expunge the cultural taint it carries among voters under 40. (Actually a Brexit which hits longterm growth is probably safe as it's always hard to argue a hypothetical. A Brexit that is identified with everything people dislike about the Tory party is going to struggle to maintain the support of 50 per cent + 1 of people even if it delivers blockbuster economic growth.)
Greening's intervention also speaks to a truth that few Conservatives have publicly acknowledged: which is that Brexit hurt them badly at the last election and there is a good chance that it will have long-run implications on their ability to form stable majority governments in future. Of the things May has done well since the election is publicly acknowledging the fears of Remainers, which helps to heal that particular Tory wound.
A great deal of faith is invested in the idea that Brexit will be “resolved” at the time of the next election and the Conservatives won't still have difficulties in Remain country. But the continuing impact of Nafta in the United States, a quarter of a century after it was signed shows that Tory difficulties wherever the 48 per cent gather in great numbers are unlikely to vanish simply as a result of the passage of time.
As this is a Brexit thread I won't go into too much detail on why under 40s have no reason to vote Tory but it basically comes down to the fact that those born from 1975 onwards are more likely to hold values and opinions that are simply incompatible with Tory ideology, and that losers from Tory policies have generally been younger people. I have gone into detail in the past over specific policies and why younger people are much worse off as a result of those policies, they are most likely in either the 2017 election thread or the Tories thread.
Quite an interesting way of thinking about it