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Charlton v Norwich - PSF - Match Thread

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  • edited July 2017
    Is there a WSE block in the west stand? The stewards didn't seem to know. Not that it mattered

    Unless that is just West Stand Block E...
  • Phillips made a couple of good saves. No chance with either.
    Dijksteel was the standout player, playing out of position. Destroyed Murphy 3 times by turning inside.
    Barnes was a little at sea on the left against a good winger and will learn from it. Got better as the game went on and more than capable as Solly's understudy.
    Sarr was solid. Some good passes. Gave the ball away for their second but out back 4 were all over the place as Norwich had 3 quick free kicks prior to the goal in quick succession.

    The ref was poor. Didn't let the game flow at all.

    A good run out against a decent Norwich side who should finish in the top half of the league above this season. We are still a long way off from Bristol Rovers. We need a new keeper to compete with Phillips, another CB as we only have 3 if you don't include Lennon who has been out for almost 12 months. Another winger, maybe even 2 if Marshall is out long term and another striker. Ideally someone who will actually score some goals. Ipswich will be interesting as the squad will no doubt be stronger but we have no depth to our name.

  • cabbles said:

    chappers said:

    Unbelievable! Coming out the ground tonight. Three blokes slagging off Clarke! Typical of some of our fans! GIVE THEM A CHANCE!!!!

    There's always a fall guy early on and I fear Clarke may become that guy

    FYI - I agree with you about giving him a chance, just commenting on what I've picked up across twitter etc
    Not to quote myself but....

    Okay I'm too lazy to look up what exactly I said. But I'm pretty sure it was after the first game in Ireland I said Clarke would be a Marmite player. I don't think he's bad, and I think he could be useful with his movement and his running at defenses in the last 20 minutes of a game when defenses tire, but I don't know that he has the end product to be a regular starter.

    Also, there's talk on upgrading various positions and players, but Novak and Crofts are usually the names thrown around. I don't particularly rate either of them as individuals. But I think we would be really hard pressed to drastically improve on either given their roles in the squad in this league.

    Crofts is probably our fourth choice central midfielder, and I'm glad to hear Dijksteel had a good game, I thought he looked good in Ireland and the last few minutes against Dover. I hope he and RCC put pressure on Crofts in that role. On his bad days Crofts looks nowhere near mobile enough, not technically gifted, and gives the ball away cheaply. But on his better days, against Dover in the second half for example, he breaks up play and starts attacks. I think we'll struggle to find a player who is a huge upgrade on hi,, and I think our best bet is hoping that Dijksteel is ready to make the step up to fourth choice central midfielder.

    Regarding Novak, he has scored goals in this league, and he had the reputation of working hard before he came to us. He showed neither last season. But he's big and at least at one point was mobile, the type who can, at least in theory, play the lone forward role. Again, I struggle to see where we would go to make a huge improvement on him. I feel like any player with the technique and athleticism required to play that role would be able to go to a club at a higher level. To me the best option would probably be a youngster from a big club (I think I've mentioned David Faupala of Manchester City before).

    Right now we're in a comparatively good position where it's not just that we need bodies, but we need players of a certain quality.
  • Is there a WSE block in the west stand? The stewards didn't seem to know. Not that it mattered

    Unless that is just West Stand Block E...

    Yep, you've nailed it.
  • edited July 2017
    Just a few thoughts! Had we just signed Sarr, people would be raving about him. In terms of Dijikstel, seeing him play in a few youth games, he stood out as something special.

    In relation to Novak. I don't see the point of a big player if they are not dominant in the same way Magennis is. But Novak has scored goals and played at a higher level, and if I was his manager, I would like to know what has changed.
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  • seth plum said:

    There was some kind of big deal thing going on with people in front of the stand at half time, but whatever was being said I found inaudible, as was the substitute announcements, as was the colour contrast on the big screen (and font size) when trying to see the names of the players.
    Whatever Brian Cole was saying was undermined by the technology, but also undermined by his lack of skill in making clear announcements.
    Enunciation pace and diction is nothing to do with being posh, but everything to do with clarity of communication. I think that even with a properly functioning PA system Brian Cole is a failure vocally.
    if there had been an emergency at the ground this evening I dread to think what would have happened because communication generally was sub standard. Maybe the head of communications Tom Rubashow could sort it, or maybe it is a safety issue and somebody else's responsibility.
    My advice is to test the system, get people with clear speaking voices, and have a plan to deal with getting in and getting out of the stadium safely.

    Can he pronounce Crystal Palace yet? ;-)
  • Anyone who was there wish to offer up some player marks?
  • Phillips 6
    Dijksteel 8.5
    Bauer 7
    Sarr 8
    Barnes 5
    Fosu 7
    Crofts 5
    Forster-Caskey 7
    Holmes 7
    Clarke 6
    Magennis 6.5

    Charles-Cook 7

    others subs 6
  • What position does Dijksteel play?
  • edited July 2017
    Phillips 6
    Dijksteel 8
    Bauer 6.5
    Sarr 8
    Barnes 5.5
    Fosu 7
    Crofts 5.5
    Forster-Caskey 7
    Holmes 7
    Clarke 5.5
    Magennis 7

    Charles-Cook 6.5
  • What position does Dijksteel play?

    I have only seen him on the odd occasion in midfield, but last night he was excellent at full back
  • Phillips 6 nothing wrong with the goals, alert and quick distribution.
    Dijksteel 8.5 Welcome to first team football. A star in the making. Gangly, strong, fast, determined. Not to mention played out of position! Probably my man of the match. Got caught a few times but there's now a lot of fans who have seen him and will be excited.
    Bauer 7 Pretty solid but should have scored with his header
    Sarr 8 Really good. His distribution is very good and looked calm and assured. Likely to surprise a few this season
    Barnes 6 Got caught out a few times by their winger (who tbf cost more than our team) but I've seen him cynically grab someone who has beaten him 4 times in pre season so is going to pick up a lot of bookings until he eradicates that.
    Fosu 7 Tricky but kind of on the periphery of things. Still think he'll prove to be a great signing.
    Crofts 5 Can be great at breaking up play but his passing is just not good enough. This season is likely to see him on the bench and coming on to shore things up for the last 20-30 mins I think
    Forster-Caskey 7.5 Tidy. Effective. Looks to be the one that can unlock the door - if he can stay fit
    Holmes 6.5 Get your head down and work hard sunshine. You had a great season, have been subject to loads of media attention but don't take your eye off the ball. Not seen much to write home about in pre season yet. Not convinced he looked after himself sufficiently before pre season....
    Clarke 6 Best I've seen of him...but still not much to get excited about. Some nice twists and turns but little end product
    Magennis 7 Lonely up top on your own. One classic Josh moment where he chased down his own flick-on but his cross wasn't good enough. Best ive seen in pre season from him which is understandable as he was a couple of weeks behind. We definitely need another striker because he isn't prolific enough yet

    Charles-Cook 7 Mr utility was in all sorts of positions and did what he does. Lots of pace, brave, wins the ball back. Up until this season I've not really "got" him but now I do. Bundles of energy too. I like him a lot after pre season. Lovely chap too

    others subs 6

    Reeco had a decent shot late on but all i've seen him do so far is score a couple of goals. Literally nothing memorable bar goals - not a bad trait tbf. One impressive display of his pace last night as he tried to recover a ball he'd lost. Looks like he needs to fill out a bit as he's very wiry.
    Novak - Meh Couple of lay-offs and knock downs. Needs minutes.

    That's all I can think of really. Not disheartened to be honest - lots of regulars didn't play and it was a decent run-out. We won't come up against many teams as strong as Norwich and we held our own for large periods. Some lovely football. Much better than the dross of the last couple of season but goals still appear to be a problem.
  • Can only echo what others have said about Dijksteel - really hope he gets a look-in in the the first team when the season starts. He's got both the intelligence and the strength to make it at this level.

    Playing Barnes at left-back was tough on him. He was skinned a number of times in the first half, though he did do rather better in the second.

    Don't get the logic of playing Crofts for the whole game (that sentence could probably have ended after 'Crofts').

    Clarke's an interesting one. At times he was dropping very deep, which means that Magennis is isolated as he was so often last season. There were some nice touches from him, but he also misplaced a number of lay-offs and was shrugged off the ball a few times. Got visibly and audibly frustrated later on. Don't think he'll score too many this season, so I'm not sure where the goals are going to come from.

    As for Sarr - a couple of nice passes do not a defender make. I though he was caught out for their second when the winger nipped in ahead of him and laid it across for Naismith, but that may be unfair. Our defending from corners was a bit wobbly, and that's surely his (and Bauer's) domain. I assume two of Bauer/Pearce/Konsa will be our first choice partnership.

    Having read the rave reviews of Fosu at Stevenage, I was a tad disappointed with him tonight, but all wingers blow hot and cold I suppose. Stewart didn't take the brief chance he had either when he came on.

    Overall we had nothing to feel embarrassed about, but the lack of firepower is a big worry and we don't seem to be a particularly physically strong team either. In League 1, that can take you quite a long way.
  • Essex_Al said:

    What position does Dijksteel play?

    I have only seen him on the odd occasion in midfield, but last night he was excellent at full back
    Thanks. So that's RB cover taken care of then.

    Just need a keeper, winger and a striker then.
  • Can only echo what others have said about Dijksteel - really hope he gets a look-in in the the first team when the season starts. He's got both the intelligence and the strength to make it at this level.

    Playing Barnes at left-back was tough on him. He was skinned a number of times in the first half, though he did do rather better in the second.

    Don't get the logic of playing Crofts for the whole game (that sentence could probably have ended after 'Crofts').

    Clarke's an interesting one. At times he was dropping very deep, which means that Magennis is isolated as he was so often last season. There were some nice touches from him, but he also misplaced a number of lay-offs and was shrugged off the ball a few times. Got visibly and audibly frustrated later on. Don't think he'll score too many this season, so I'm not sure where the goals are going to come from.

    As for Sarr - a couple of nice passes do not a defender make. I though he was caught out for their second when the winger nipped in ahead of him and laid it across for Naismith, but that may be unfair. Our defending from corners was a bit wobbly, and that's surely his (and Bauer's) domain. I assume two of Bauer/Pearce/Konsa will be our first choice partnership.

    Having read the rave reviews of Fosu at Stevenage, I was a tad disappointed with him tonight, but all wingers blow hot and cold I suppose. Stewart didn't take the brief chance he had either when he came on.

    Overall we had nothing to feel embarrassed about, but the lack of firepower is a big worry and we don't seem to be a particularly physically strong team either. In League 1, that can take you quite a long way.

    Fosu played centrally against Stevenage
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  • Swisdom said:

    Phillips 6 nothing wrong with the goals, alert and quick distribution.
    Dijksteel 8.5 Welcome to first team football. A star in the making. Gangly, strong, fast, determined. Not to mention played out of position! Probably my man of the match. Got caught a few times but there's now a lot of fans who have seen him and will be excited.
    Bauer 7 Pretty solid but should have scored with his header
    Sarr 8 Really good. His distribution is very good and looked calm and assured. Likely to surprise a few this season
    Barnes 6 Got caught out a few times by their winger (who tbf cost more than our team) but I've seen him cynically grab someone who has beaten him 4 times in pre season so is going to pick up a lot of bookings until he eradicates that.
    Fosu 7 Tricky but kind of on the periphery of things. Still think he'll prove to be a great signing.
    Crofts 5 Can be great at breaking up play but his passing is just not good enough. This season is likely to see him on the bench and coming on to shore things up for the last 20-30 mins I think
    Forster-Caskey 7.5 Tidy. Effective. Looks to be the one that can unlock the door - if he can stay fit
    Holmes 6.5 Get your head down and work hard sunshine. You had a great season, have been subject to loads of media attention but don't take your eye off the ball. Not seen much to write home about in pre season yet. Not convinced he looked after himself sufficiently before pre season....
    Clarke 6 Best I've seen of him...but still not much to get excited about. Some nice twists and turns but little end product
    Magennis 7 Lonely up top on your own. One classic Josh moment where he chased down his own flick-on but his cross wasn't good enough. Best ive seen in pre season from him which is understandable as he was a couple of weeks behind. We definitely need another striker because he isn't prolific enough yet

    Charles-Cook 7 Mr utility was in all sorts of positions and did what he does. Lots of pace, brave, wins the ball back. Up until this season I've not really "got" him but now I do. Bundles of energy too. I like him a lot after pre season. Lovely chap too

    others subs 6

    Reeco had a decent shot late on but all i've seen him do so far is score a couple of goals. Literally nothing memorable bar goals - not a bad trait tbf. One impressive display of his pace last night as he tried to recover a ball he'd lost. Looks like he needs to fill out a bit as he's very wiry.
    Novak - Meh Couple of lay-offs and knock downs. Needs minutes.

    That's all I can think of really. Not disheartened to be honest - lots of regulars didn't play and it was a decent run-out. We won't come up against many teams as strong as Norwich and we held our own for large periods. Some lovely football. Much better than the dross of the last couple of season but goals still appear to be a problem.

    I think your last 7 words sum up why I'm nervous about Sarr. He has demonstrated in every game I've seen that he has two or three mistakes a game in him and when we're not prolific the other end, that's ultimately going to cost us points.
  • edited July 2017
    Before Saturday the club need to arrange to employ staff to sell tickets and to open North Lower.
    The club need to fix and test the PA System.
    The club need to get an announcer that can announce and for announcements generally to be crystal clear, and if for crowd management or safety reasons the announcements need to be thought through properly and repeated.
    There were about 2.5k people in last night and if there were something like 3.5k in on Saturday the club can't run things as they did yesterday. It was unsafe.
  • Swisdom said:

    Phillips 6 nothing wrong with the goals, alert and quick distribution.
    Dijksteel 8.5 Welcome to first team football. A star in the making. Gangly, strong, fast, determined. Not to mention played out of position! Probably my man of the match. Got caught a few times but there's now a lot of fans who have seen him and will be excited.
    Bauer 7 Pretty solid but should have scored with his header
    Sarr 8 Really good. His distribution is very good and looked calm and assured. Likely to surprise a few this season
    Barnes 6 Got caught out a few times by their winger (who tbf cost more than our team) but I've seen him cynically grab someone who has beaten him 4 times in pre season so is going to pick up a lot of bookings until he eradicates that.
    Fosu 7 Tricky but kind of on the periphery of things. Still think he'll prove to be a great signing.
    Crofts 5 Can be great at breaking up play but his passing is just not good enough. This season is likely to see him on the bench and coming on to shore things up for the last 20-30 mins I think
    Forster-Caskey 7.5 Tidy. Effective. Looks to be the one that can unlock the door - if he can stay fit
    Holmes 6.5 Get your head down and work hard sunshine. You had a great season, have been subject to loads of media attention but don't take your eye off the ball. Not seen much to write home about in pre season yet. Not convinced he looked after himself sufficiently before pre season....
    Clarke 6 Best I've seen of him...but still not much to get excited about. Some nice twists and turns but little end product
    Magennis 7 Lonely up top on your own. One classic Josh moment where he chased down his own flick-on but his cross wasn't good enough. Best ive seen in pre season from him which is understandable as he was a couple of weeks behind. We definitely need another striker because he isn't prolific enough yet

    Charles-Cook 7 Mr utility was in all sorts of positions and did what he does. Lots of pace, brave, wins the ball back. Up until this season I've not really "got" him but now I do. Bundles of energy too. I like him a lot after pre season. Lovely chap too

    others subs 6

    Reeco had a decent shot late on but all i've seen him do so far is score a couple of goals. Literally nothing memorable bar goals - not a bad trait tbf. One impressive display of his pace last night as he tried to recover a ball he'd lost. Looks like he needs to fill out a bit as he's very wiry.
    Novak - Meh Couple of lay-offs and knock downs. Needs minutes.

    That's all I can think of really. Not disheartened to be honest - lots of regulars didn't play and it was a decent run-out. We won't come up against many teams as strong as Norwich and we held our own for large periods. Some lovely football. Much better than the dross of the last couple of season but goals still appear to be a problem.

    I think your last 7 words sum up why I'm nervous about Sarr. He has demonstrated in every game I've seen that he has two or three mistakes a game in him and when we're not prolific the other end, that's ultimately going to cost us points.
    Will he be a lot more assured and better alongside Pearce though.

    The latter is more of a leader and is probably our calmest Centre-Back, whilst Bauer is good he can also be very error prone
  • Phillips made a couple of good saves. No chance with either.
    Dijksteel was the standout player, playing out of position. Destroyed Murphy 3 times by turning inside.
    Barnes was a little at sea on the left against a good winger and will learn from it. Got better as the game went on and more than capable as Solly's understudy.
    Sarr was solid. Some good passes. Gave the ball away for their second but out back 4 were all over the place as Norwich had 3 quick free kicks prior to the goal in quick succession.

    The ref was poor. Didn't let the game flow at all.

    A good run out against a decent Norwich side who should finish in the top half of the league above this season. We are still a long way off from Bristol Rovers. We need a new keeper to compete with Phillips, another CB as we only have 3 if you don't include Lennon who has been out for almost 12 months. Another winger, maybe even 2 if Marshall is out long term and another striker. Ideally someone who will actually score some goals. Ipswich will be interesting as the squad will no doubt be stronger but we have no depth to our name.

    We have four centre backs without Lennon. Baeur, Pearce, Konsa. Sarr.
  • Going by the reviews for Billy Clarke I wonder if in the League he'll be one of these players a lot of fans dont notice but will be doing a lot of hard work that goes unrewarded from the stands.

    i.e. When he plays and we win, people will think that he'll probably be the player who'll cost us if we're playing against stronger opposition... If he doesnt play and we lose it'll be because we werent strong enough going forward.
  • Clarke will be very good one game in seven, even the reason for a good result. He will be caught in possession and intimidated a lot, but then produce great specific moments of skill and vision. I can't see him being consistent. Hope I am wrong.
  • BTW anyone who was there is a real fan, the rest of you are plastics
    SDAddick said:

    BTW anyone who was there is a real fan, the rest of you are plastics

    I looked to fly over just for this match then return by the closest flight got me in at 21:20.

    Oh well, I'll try for one day turnaround against Ipswich on Saturday. Can't miss a home pre-season friendly. This commute is really going to wear on me though...
    Excuses, excuses. Stop moaning and bring negative and support the club.
  • Phillips 7
    Dijksteel 8.5
    Bauer 7
    Sarr 8
    Barnes 6
    Fosu 7.5
    Crofts 5.5
    Forster-Caskey 7
    Holmes 7.5
    Clarke 6
    Magennis 6

    Charles-Cook 7
  • BTW anyone who was there is a real fan, the rest of you are plastics

    SDAddick said:

    BTW anyone who was there is a real fan, the rest of you are plastics

    I looked to fly over just for this match then return by the closest flight got me in at 21:20.

    Oh well, I'll try for one day turnaround against Ipswich on Saturday. Can't miss a home pre-season friendly. This commute is really going to wear on me though...
    Excuses, excuses. Stop moaning and bring negative and support the club.
    No you're right, I let the side down.
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