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    edited October 2018

    Cannabis can have medical benefits but also has effects on mental health. Research suggests a link between cannabis and psychosis/schizophrenia.

    If it's going to be used by people regardless of whether it's legal or not then legalising it at least allows it to be regulated and taxed.

    Personally can't stand the stuff but it does seem to work for chronic pain relief.

    Cannabis oil does not have the THC part of the cannabis plant. The part associated with addiction and mental health issues. It contains CBD the cannabidiols which are thought in certain uses to have a therapeutic effect.

    The danger for me at this point regarding the use of oil is that it appears to be viewed to be a cure all from Cancer to autism. It’s certainly not. Don’t like the idea of the oil being unregulated as self medicating for people with conditions where other drugs are being prescribed can have a reactive effect. Cannabis raises the heart rate and would not be advisable for someone with a heart condition for example. Pharmacology is way outside the realms of most people and yet a lot of people believe everything they read on the internet about how wonderful cannabis oil is. Proceed with caution is my advice.

    As for recreational cannabis. I think Canada are bang on the money. Personally I hate the stink.

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    you can get cannabis for the vapes i know someone that uses it for there arthritis in there knees.

    It's still illegal though.
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    Cannabis can have medical benefits but also has effects on mental health. Research suggests a link between cannabis and psychosis/schizophrenia.

    If it's going to be used by people regardless of whether it's legal or not then legalising it at least allows it to be regulated and taxed.

    Personally can't stand the stuff but it does seem to work for chronic pain relief.

    Cannabis oil does not have the THC part of the cannabis plant. The part associated with addiction and mental health issues. It contains CBD the cannabidiols which are thought in certain uses to have a therapeutic effect.

    The danger for me at this point regarding the use of oil is that it appears to be viewed to be a cure all from Cancer to autism. It’s certainly not. Don’t like the idea of the oil being unregulated as self medicating for people with conditions where other drugs are being prescribed can have a reactive effect. Cannabis raises the heart rate and would not be advisable for someone with a heart condition for example. Pharmacology is way outside the realms of most people and yet a lot of people believe everything they read on the internet about how wonderful cannabis oil is. Proceed with caution is my advice.

    As for recreational cannabis. I think Canada are bang on the money. Personally I hate the stink.


    Theres 2 types of oil, CBD and THC. CBD can be extracted from hemp and is legal... actual cannabis oil (or RSO 'Rick simpson oil') is illegal.

    You can buy CBD oil from Holland and Barrats, but its very poor strength


    https://cbdbrothers.com/shop/
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    edited October 2018

    you can get cannabis for the vapes i know someone that uses it for there arthritis in there knees.

    It's still illegal though.
    What? Having bad knees is illegal?
    Pass me a spliff, I don't want to get old.
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    Cannabis can have medical benefits but also has effects on mental health. Research suggests a link between cannabis and psychosis/schizophrenia.

    If it's going to be used by people regardless of whether it's legal or not then legalising it at least allows it to be regulated and taxed.

    Personally can't stand the stuff but it does seem to work for chronic pain relief.

    Cannabis oil does not have the THC part of the cannabis plant. The part associated with addiction and mental health issues. It contains CBD the cannabidiols which are thought in certain uses to have a therapeutic effect.

    The danger for me at this point regarding the use of oil is that it appears to be viewed to be a cure all from Cancer to autism. It’s certainly not. Don’t like the idea of the oil being unregulated as self medicating for people with conditions where other drugs are being prescribed can have a reactive effect. Cannabis raises the heart rate and would not be advisable for someone with a heart condition for example. Pharmacology is way outside the realms of most people and yet a lot of people believe everything they read on the internet about how wonderful cannabis oil is. Proceed with caution is my advice.

    As for recreational cannabis. I think Canada are bang on the money. Personally I hate the stink.

    I agree that self medication is dangerous but if you are in chronic pain you will try anything. If it does work better than most of the prescribed pain relief then there does need to be research in the area.

    The mental health link to me is very worrying - I think people don't take this seriously enough.
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    yes, we should.......
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    Cannabis can have medical benefits but also has effects on mental health. Research suggests a link between cannabis and psychosis/schizophrenia.

    If it's going to be used by people regardless of whether it's legal or not then legalising it at least allows it to be regulated and taxed.

    Personally can't stand the stuff but it does seem to work for chronic pain relief.

    Cannabis oil does not have the THC part of the cannabis plant. The part associated with addiction and mental health issues. It contains CBD the cannabidiols which are thought in certain uses to have a therapeutic effect.

    The danger for me at this point regarding the use of oil is that it appears to be viewed to be a cure all from Cancer to autism. It’s certainly not. Don’t like the idea of the oil being unregulated as self medicating for people with conditions where other drugs are being prescribed can have a reactive effect. Cannabis raises the heart rate and would not be advisable for someone with a heart condition for example. Pharmacology is way outside the realms of most people and yet a lot of people believe everything they read on the internet about how wonderful cannabis oil is. Proceed with caution is my advice.

    As for recreational cannabis. I think Canada are bang on the money. Personally I hate the stink.

    I agree that self medication is dangerous but if you are in chronic pain you will try anything. If it does work better than most of the prescribed pain relief then there does need to be research in the area.

    The mental health link to me is very worrying - I think people don't take this seriously enough.
    Good thing there are no negative sides to alcohol or cigarettes or some might suggest the law is completely hypocritical and was originally put in place to protect the American paper industry.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor_Wears_No_Clothes - A fantastic book on the subject.
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    Cannabis only became illegal in the 1930s in much of the western world. The policies deployed to stop/control its use have failed spectacularly.

    Skunk based high THC weed is now so widely available. Alcohol consumption by young adults is in decline - why, because its hard to buy now due to age limit controls?

    Weed is available pretty much on every street corner and accessible to children and young people who often are sucked into dealing, if its just "sorting" for their mates. They have all, in the words of Nickleback, "got a drug dealer on speed dial"

    Yes there are mental health implications in its use but better to legalise and control it, make help available. At the moment young people are reluctant to ask for help due to its criminality.

    Why do I know about this? Because my son was big user and suffered from psychosis as a result. I got him some help.

    If we always do what we do, we will always get what we get. There will always be those who oppose or say they agree something has to be done but now is not right time. Prevarication is ruining lives and putting money in the hands of criminals.

    Time to legalise is now.
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    you can get cannabis for the vapes i know someone that uses it for there arthritis in there knees.

    It's still illegal though.
    If Cannabis helped my skin and/ or helped with sleep that would be a moot point.
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    you can get cannabis for the vapes i know someone that uses it for there arthritis in there knees.

    It's still illegal though.
    If Cannabis helped my skin and/ or helped with sleep that would be a moot point.
    One of my best friends here has some of worst skin / eczema I've ever seen in my life, he has a 2gram a day habit, although that's smoking, rather than oil.
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    Certainly shouldn't be arrestable. If it ain't legal at worst just confiscation and an on the spot fine and we all move on.
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    I would monitor Canada over the next 5 - 10 years, see what the impacts are socially and from a mental health perspective and the see what the benefit has been from a tax perspective (I’m assuming the Canadians are slapping a massive tax on it) and then weigh up the pros and cons.
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    se9addick said:

    I would monitor Canada over the next 5 - 10 years, see what the impacts are socially and from a mental health perspective and the see what the benefit has been from a tax perspective (I’m assuming the Canadians are slapping a massive tax on it) and then weigh up the pros and cons.

    'How weed won the west' highlights how well medicinal cannabis supported various US states via the tax income in the early days.
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    Read the book Good Cop Bad War. It's a very interesting read about an undercover cop who worked in drugs squads all around UK from villages in Derbyshire to large towns like Brighton. Even as a well informed employee in NHS who sees addiction daily it opened my eyes. I used weed in 20's but none for around 20 years now. I see dealers driving to my quiet backstreet to sell their stuff. Police do nothing and so it sends a message
    they have lost the fight. All they follow up is the muggings and burglaries which are almost always as part of the crimes which are to fund drug use. Make the drugs free or very cheap and the industry is dead.
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    se9addick said:

    I would monitor Canada over the next 5 - 10 years, see what the impacts are socially and from a mental health perspective and the see what the benefit has been from a tax perspective (I’m assuming the Canadians are slapping a massive tax on it) and then weigh up the pros and cons.

    'How weed won the west' highlights how well medicinal cannabis supported various US states via the tax income in the early days.
    It’s more the mental health aspects that I think we need to be careful around, and I’m guessing they might take a few years to manifest.

    Raking in an extra £1bn in tax each year would be great, but not at the expense of the well being of a large number of our people.
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    edited October 2018
    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    I would monitor Canada over the next 5 - 10 years, see what the impacts are socially and from a mental health perspective and the see what the benefit has been from a tax perspective (I’m assuming the Canadians are slapping a massive tax on it) and then weigh up the pros and cons.

    'How weed won the west' highlights how well medicinal cannabis supported various US states via the tax income in the early days.
    It’s more the mental health aspects that I think we need to be careful around, and I’m guessing they might take a few years to manifest.

    Raking in an extra £1bn in tax each year would be great, but not at the expense of the well being of a large number of our people.
    People are already smoking though, in huge numbers, not just in the UK, across the world, I've not visited a country where it wasn't easily available.

    I'm not sure legalisation would lead to an increase of tokers, just a safer environment to do it. Although what happened in Portugal might suggest I'm wrong.

    Edit: Qatar is an exception,
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    edited October 2018
    I would prefer my son did not smoke it - the real issue is one of pragmatism. Everybody who wants to smoke it can get it - the quality of the product is not assured, the direction of travel in getting the product may lead being able to get stronger drugs. If you smoke it, nobody does anything to you. I recall there being a distinct smell of it in the Upper North Stand when I sat (or stood) there in our Premiership days.

    Regulate it - tax it and use the revenues to address drug related issues. Either that or lock everybody up who smokes it. But don't create a wealth stream for criminals.
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    It will be legalised one day, but I have a feeling we'll be one of the last western countries to do it.
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    you can get cannabis for the vapes i know someone that uses it for there arthritis in there knees.

    It's still illegal though.
    If Cannabis helped my skin and/ or helped with sleep that would be a moot point.
    One of my best friends here has some of worst skin / eczema I've ever seen in my life, he has a 2gram a day habit, although that's smoking, rather than oil.
    Has it helped?

    My skin is very temperamental, i have gone years in the past and you wouldn't know but flares up and when i go to the doctors they say sometimes there is no definitive cause. I have seen specialists a few times and again we are no further, i self manage it most of the time but sometimes it has got really bad. Eg. a few years ago, maybe 4 i was in hospital for a few days on a drip, it clears up then out of nowhere 6 months/ years later its bad again.

    I have always had bad eczema since young but have gone years where it isn't a factor then it is, no explanation. Sometimes going out wont affect it, sometimes it will, not sure if things i eat as i eat pretty much the same stuff.

    a few months ago i had a flare up and today its semi ok but still get quite itchy/ irritant working in an office.
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    edited October 2018

    you can get cannabis for the vapes i know someone that uses it for there arthritis in there knees.

    It's still illegal though.
    If Cannabis helped my skin and/ or helped with sleep that would be a moot point.
    One of my best friends here has some of worst skin / eczema I've ever seen in my life, he has a 2gram a day habit, although that's smoking, rather than oil.
    Has it helped?

    My skin is very temperamental, i have gone years in the past and you wouldn't know but flares up and when i go to the doctors they say sometimes there is no definitive cause. I have seen specialists a few times and again we are no further, i self manage it most of the time but sometimes it has got really bad. Eg. a few years ago, maybe 4 i was in hospital for a few days on a drip, it clears up then out of nowhere 6 months/ years later its bad again.

    I have always had bad eczema since young but have gone years where it isn't a factor then it is, no explanation. Sometimes going out wont affect it, sometimes it will, not sure if things i eat as i eat pretty much the same stuff.

    a few months ago i had a flare up and today its semi ok but still get quite itchy/ irritant working in an office.
    I would say no, as it's pretty bad, although in the 6 years I've known him he's never gone more than a few days without smoking, so it's hard to know with nothing to compare it to.
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    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    I would monitor Canada over the next 5 - 10 years, see what the impacts are socially and from a mental health perspective and the see what the benefit has been from a tax perspective (I’m assuming the Canadians are slapping a massive tax on it) and then weigh up the pros and cons.

    'How weed won the west' highlights how well medicinal cannabis supported various US states via the tax income in the early days.
    It’s more the mental health aspects that I think we need to be careful around, and I’m guessing they might take a few years to manifest.

    Raking in an extra £1bn in tax each year would be great, but not at the expense of the well being of a large number of our people.
    The stuff is being used in huge quantities anyway as it stands and as others have said the police are failing to deal with the trade.

    If it's legalised and regulated to me it's the lesser of two evils. The mental health issues from it exist anyway and I'm not convinced that this will get much worse when it's legalised.

    Drugs are not going to go away and we need to face up to the level of usage.
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    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    I would monitor Canada over the next 5 - 10 years, see what the impacts are socially and from a mental health perspective and the see what the benefit has been from a tax perspective (I’m assuming the Canadians are slapping a massive tax on it) and then weigh up the pros and cons.

    'How weed won the west' highlights how well medicinal cannabis supported various US states via the tax income in the early days.
    It’s more the mental health aspects that I think we need to be careful around, and I’m guessing they might take a few years to manifest.

    Raking in an extra £1bn in tax each year would be great, but not at the expense of the well being of a large number of our people.
    People are already smoking though, in huge numbers, not just in the UK, across the world, I've not visited a country where it wasn't easily available.

    I'm not sure legalisation would lead to an increase of tokers, just a safer environment to do it. Although what happened in Portugal might suggest I'm wrong.

    Edit: Qatar is an exception,

    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    I would monitor Canada over the next 5 - 10 years, see what the impacts are socially and from a mental health perspective and the see what the benefit has been from a tax perspective (I’m assuming the Canadians are slapping a massive tax on it) and then weigh up the pros and cons.

    'How weed won the west' highlights how well medicinal cannabis supported various US states via the tax income in the early days.
    It’s more the mental health aspects that I think we need to be careful around, and I’m guessing they might take a few years to manifest.

    Raking in an extra £1bn in tax each year would be great, but not at the expense of the well being of a large number of our people.
    The stuff is being used in huge quantities anyway as it stands and as others have said the police are failing to deal with the trade.

    If it's legalised and regulated to me it's the lesser of two evils. The mental health issues from it exist anyway and I'm not convinced that this will get much worse when it's legalised.

    Drugs are not going to go away and we need to face up to the level of usage.
    Good points well made.
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    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    I would monitor Canada over the next 5 - 10 years, see what the impacts are socially and from a mental health perspective and the see what the benefit has been from a tax perspective (I’m assuming the Canadians are slapping a massive tax on it) and then weigh up the pros and cons.

    'How weed won the west' highlights how well medicinal cannabis supported various US states via the tax income in the early days.
    It’s more the mental health aspects that I think we need to be careful around, and I’m guessing they might take a few years to manifest.

    Raking in an extra £1bn in tax each year would be great, but not at the expense of the well being of a large number of our people.
    People are already smoking though, in huge numbers, not just in the UK, across the world, I've not visited a country where it wasn't easily available.

    I'm not sure legalisation would lead to an increase of tokers, just a safer environment to do it. Although what happened in Portugal might suggest I'm wrong.

    Edit: Qatar is an exception,

    se9addick said:

    se9addick said:

    I would monitor Canada over the next 5 - 10 years, see what the impacts are socially and from a mental health perspective and the see what the benefit has been from a tax perspective (I’m assuming the Canadians are slapping a massive tax on it) and then weigh up the pros and cons.

    'How weed won the west' highlights how well medicinal cannabis supported various US states via the tax income in the early days.
    It’s more the mental health aspects that I think we need to be careful around, and I’m guessing they might take a few years to manifest.

    Raking in an extra £1bn in tax each year would be great, but not at the expense of the well being of a large number of our people.
    The stuff is being used in huge quantities anyway as it stands and as others have said the police are failing to deal with the trade.

    If it's legalised and regulated to me it's the lesser of two evils. The mental health issues from it exist anyway and I'm not convinced that this will get much worse when it's legalised.

    Drugs are not going to go away and we need to face up to the level of usage.
    Good points well made.
    I hope we can cut down on the level of crime caused by the drug trade.
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    you can get cannabis for the vapes i know someone that uses it for there arthritis in there knees.

    it's actually where vaping as we know it comes from, vaporisers for cannabis have existed for years. Some genius realised you can do the same for tobacco and make a bomb.
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    Cannabis can have medical benefits but also has effects on mental health. Research suggests a link between cannabis and psychosis/schizophrenia.

    If it's going to be used by people regardless of whether it's legal or not then legalising it at least allows it to be regulated and taxed.

    Personally can't stand the stuff but it does seem to work for chronic pain relief.

    Cannabis oil does not have the THC part of the cannabis plant. The part associated with addiction and mental health issues. It contains CBD the cannabidiols which are thought in certain uses to have a therapeutic effect.

    The danger for me at this point regarding the use of oil is that it appears to be viewed to be a cure all from Cancer to autism. It’s certainly not. Don’t like the idea of the oil being unregulated as self medicating for people with conditions where other drugs are being prescribed can have a reactive effect. Cannabis raises the heart rate and would not be advisable for someone with a heart condition for example. Pharmacology is way outside the realms of most people and yet a lot of people believe everything they read on the internet about how wonderful cannabis oil is. Proceed with caution is my advice.

    As for recreational cannabis. I think Canada are bang on the money. Personally I hate the stink.

    I agree that self medication is dangerous but if you are in chronic pain you will try anything. If it does work better than most of the prescribed pain relief then there does need to be research in the area.

    The mental health link to me is very worrying - I think people don't take this seriously enough.
    through my own use of the drug, some strains definitely have detrimental effects, others have really good effects on mental health. I'd say skunk (the strong stuff that you find from most dealers) is like getting smacked over the head with a plank of wood and awful for mental health. I've had some in amsterdam that make me feel great.
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    If people want it, can they get it? If the answer is yes, then it makes sense to legalise and have more control over it! It is irrelevant what you think of it.

    Especially as what they can get can be very dangerous, faeces in hash, glass sprayed on buds to increase the weight, dealers offering harder drugs as they're 'out of weed' the list is endless.

    Decriminalize it, tax it to high heaven and everyone wins.
    Yeah everyone wins. Including the dealers who will then sell cheaper weed to those who can’t afford/don’t want to pay the tax on the legal stuff.
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    My son tells me that smoking a cannabis joint is cheaper than buying a pint of beer in some pubs. That says a lot about the price of beer :open_mouth:
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    JaShea99 said:

    If people want it, can they get it? If the answer is yes, then it makes sense to legalise and have more control over it! It is irrelevant what you think of it.

    Especially as what they can get can be very dangerous, faeces in hash, glass sprayed on buds to increase the weight, dealers offering harder drugs as they're 'out of weed' the list is endless.

    Decriminalize it, tax it to high heaven and everyone wins.
    Yeah everyone wins. Including the dealers who will then sell cheaper weed to those who can’t afford/don’t want to pay the tax on the legal stuff.
    just like how i get my beer off of my beer dealer. Gotta avoid that tax.
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    JaShea99 said:

    If people want it, can they get it? If the answer is yes, then it makes sense to legalise and have more control over it! It is irrelevant what you think of it.

    Especially as what they can get can be very dangerous, faeces in hash, glass sprayed on buds to increase the weight, dealers offering harder drugs as they're 'out of weed' the list is endless.

    Decriminalize it, tax it to high heaven and everyone wins.
    Yeah everyone wins. Including the dealers who will then sell cheaper weed to those who can’t afford/don’t want to pay the tax on the legal stuff.
    Dealers deal already though, if legalisation became a thing its unlikely to see a huge increase in illegal dealing. The benefits of legalisation outweigh the negatives to me.
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    _MrDick said:

    My son tells me that smoking a cannabis joint is cheaper than buying a pint of beer in some pubs. That says a lot about the price of beer :open_mouth:

    yup, its why cannabis is a popular choice for students. I'd go round a mate's and we'd each chuck in a tenner and had enough weed to keep us going for a couple of nights or so.
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