The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
It is difficult to separate the team from the regime. During 90 minutes of play the team are supported. But from a personal level I feel the regime have a dislike or apathy towards us supporters so my previous total dedication is tainted. RD and KM, in my opinion, would be happy for the supporter base to stop attending, then their feeble minds expect to create a whole new supporter base who they can influence. The new crowd will not be dedicated Charlton supporters, they will accept whatever they are told, have a couple of pints a burger, then enjoy a dance after the game. They will watch a game of football and not really care about the result. Under those circumstances the ground will have little atmosphere, this will effect the team and therefore players will not want to be part of the club, apart from the mercenaries, and we have seen them. Now let's get ready for the insults- the above is whyRD and KM must go.
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
This thread is like a general election or a test match being played in Australia. It's been going on all night and you have to spend a while catching up with what you missed.
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
You're dodging the issue
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
You're dodging the issue
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
Have you bought a season ticket this year and do you buy tickets for games ?
Is it a fact you have seen more games than me this season ???
I think we're in danger of losing sight of the fact that the number of home fans in the ground has absolutely fuck all influence on how the team performs.
Loads of views. Mine is still that those that go to home games (whether to watch, commentate, work etc) are supporting the regime in its desire to be seen as having legitimate football intentions as they kill the club. Even CARD members go!
I know though that most of those go because they can't stay away and the support the team not the regime mantra eases their conscience. But clearly the club by manipulating attendance figures etc need people there, so by going you help them massively.
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
You're dodging the issue
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
Have you bought a season ticket this year and do you buy tickets for games ?
Is it a fact you have seen more games than me this season ???
More home games yes.
I see you haven't backed up your claim that I'm not supporting the team but have switched to how much I've paid or not paid when you know the answer.
I think we're in danger of losing sight of the fact that the number of home fans in the ground has absolutely fuck all influence on how the team performs.
I think it does Uboat atmosphere at most games shit ,next season will be worse less fans , season after less fans. Will we ever know if a player leaves or decides not to come because of all that's going on.
1. I think it's been proven many times before that support of the team has no impact on results over a significant period of time. If that were the case, those clubs with what's widely considered to be the best and most fanatical supports would be clearing up in each division every year.
2. Notwithstanding that, I think people have still backed the team when appropriate. The fact the management and team have been largely underachieving and shite has been the biggest issue, not the fans backing, or lack of in your opinions.
3. Once again a protest day has resulted in a positive result.
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
You're dodging the issue
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
Have you bought a season ticket this year and do you buy tickets for games ?
Is it a fact you have seen more games than me this season ???
More home games yes.
I see you haven't backed up your claim that I'm not supporting the team but have switched to how much I've paid or not paid when you know the answer.
The answer is in the question when you admit that when attending matches supporting the team is secondary.
So am I right in saying you haven't been to as many Charlton games this season as me ?
I think we're in danger of losing sight of the fact that the number of home fans in the ground has absolutely fuck all influence on how the team performs.
I think it does Uboat atmosphere at most games shit ,next season will be worse less fans , season after less fans. Will we ever know if a player leaves or decides not to come because of all that's going on.
I said during the game to my mate how much different it could be atmosphere wise with the boycotters back.
I don't blame anyone boycotting by the way just I hate the atmosphere at Chsrlton now days and long for it to return to a united fan base and club once again, basically pre Roland times.
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
You're dodging the issue
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
Have you bought a season ticket this year and do you buy tickets for games ?
Is it a fact you have seen more games than me this season ???
More home games yes.
I see you haven't backed up your claim that I'm not supporting the team but have switched to how much I've paid or not paid when you know the answer.
I may be wrong and I stand to be corrected, but I took the "you" from WIWALB's post as meaning everyone who opposes the regime as going too far down the road, and not you specifically mate.
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
You're dodging the issue
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
Have you bought a season ticket this year and do you buy tickets for games ?
Is it a fact you have seen more games than me this season ???
More home games yes.
I see you haven't backed up your claim that I'm not supporting the team but have switched to how much I've paid or not paid when you know the answer.
I may be wrong and I stand to be corrected, but I took the "you" from WIWALB's post as meaning everyone who opposes the regime as going too far down the road, and not you specifically mate.
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
You're dodging the issue
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
Have you bought a season ticket this year and do you buy tickets for games ?
Is it a fact you have seen more games than me this season ???
More home games yes.
I see you haven't backed up your claim that I'm not supporting the team but have switched to how much I've paid or not paid when you know the answer.
The answer is in the question when you admit that when attending matches supporting the team is secondary.
So am I right in saying you haven't been to as many Charlton games this season as me ?
But that's not true. You are desperately trying to cling unto your idea that you are a better fan. Your doing what you excuse others of ie being so entrenched in your position you won't back down.
I go to games to support the team and if there's a protest I join in but I've been to more home games than you this season. I know that because you told me.
No idea how many aways you've done which what you are pinning your hopes on now having realised I'm right about the homes.
Our support, even when we had the greatest of times , is lame and quiet in comparison to most clubs and as Organiser says it makes no difference because if it had Pompey would not been relegated to the 4th tier , Leeds and Man City in the 3rd tier , these are some of the loudest and passionate fans in England !
As someone once said just win games and produce a respectable team and fans will return , not all but they are entitled to be fucked off with the disrespectful clowns running our club and choose to do it from the outside rather the inside .
The club is a joke and if you can't see that then you really are lucky .
Edit : make no mistake those previous regulars choosing not to attend are making a big sacrifice and this is hurting them as much if not more than anyone
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
You're dodging the issue
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
Have you bought a season ticket this year and do you buy tickets for games ?
Is it a fact you have seen more games than me this season ???
More home games yes.
I see you haven't backed up your claim that I'm not supporting the team but have switched to how much I've paid or not paid when you know the answer.
I may be wrong and I stand to be corrected, but I took the "you" from WIWALB's post as meaning everyone who opposes the regime as going too far down the road, and not you specifically mate.
If so why didn't he say "Ben, I didn't mean you specifically" when I pulled him up on it?
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
You're dodging the issue
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
Have you bought a season ticket this year and do you buy tickets for games ?
Is it a fact you have seen more games than me this season ???
More home games yes.
I see you haven't backed up your claim that I'm not supporting the team but have switched to how much I've paid or not paid when you know the answer.
I may be wrong and I stand to be corrected, but I took the "you" from WIWALB's post as meaning everyone who opposes the regime as going too far down the road, and not you specifically mate.
If so why didn't he say "Ben, I didn't mean you specifically" when I pulled him up on it?
Because he was addressing other points you raised I think, but I don't want to be the victim of more aggression on here for trying to keep the peace, so I'll get me popcorn back out and stick me 3d glasses back on
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
You're dodging the issue
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
Have you bought a season ticket this year and do you buy tickets for games ?
Is it a fact you have seen more games than me this season ???
More home games yes.
I see you haven't backed up your claim that I'm not supporting the team but have switched to how much I've paid or not paid when you know the answer.
The answer is in the question when you admit that when attending matches supporting the team is secondary.
So am I right in saying you haven't been to as many Charlton games this season as me ?
But that's not true. You are desperately trying to cling unto your idea that you are a better fan. Your doing what you excuse others of ie being so entrenched in your position you won't back down.
I go to games to support the team and if there's a protest I join in but I've been to more home games than you this season. I know that because you told me.
No idea how many aways you've done which what you are pinning your hopes on now having realised I'm right about the homes.
I have never stated I am a better fan, or worse, it has also been pointed to you that it wasn't directed at you in which you have failed to recognise, and acknowledge. Loving the termanolgy "cling" and "pinning". You really do come across as someone who thinks they are far superior.
Our support, even when we had the greatest of times , is lame and quiet in comparison to most clubs and as Organiser says it makes no difference because if it had Pompey would not been relegated to the 4th tier , Leeds and Man City in the 3rd tier , these are some of the loudest and passionate fans in England !
As someone once said just win games and produce a respectable team and fans will return , not all but they are entitled to be fucked off with the disrespectful clowns running our club and choose to do it from the outside rather the inside .
The club is a joke and if you can't see that then you really are lucky .
Have a look what is going on at Orient. That's a sad situation in which has happened far quicker. My glass is half full never half empty.
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
You're dodging the issue
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
Have you bought a season ticket this year and do you buy tickets for games ?
Is it a fact you have seen more games than me this season ???
More home games yes.
I see you haven't backed up your claim that I'm not supporting the team but have switched to how much I've paid or not paid when you know the answer.
The answer is in the question when you admit that when attending matches supporting the team is secondary.
So am I right in saying you haven't been to as many Charlton games this season as me ?
But that's not true. You are desperately trying to cling unto your idea that you are a better fan. Your doing what you excuse others of ie being so entrenched in your position you won't back down.
I go to games to support the team and if there's a protest I join in but I've been to more home games than you this season. I know that because you told me.
No idea how many aways you've done which what you are pinning your hopes on now having realised I'm right about the homes.
I have never stated I am a better fan, or worse, it has also been pointed to you that it wasn't directed at you in which you have failed to recognise, and acknowledge. Loving the termanolgy "cling" and "pinning". You really do come across as someone who thinks they are far superior.
You never stated it but you 'certainly ' implied it.
The reason I ain't been going is for personal reasons. However I still had bought a season ticket.
Good, you're a fan.
But so am I and I didn't buy a season ticket after nearly 40 years of having one.
It's not a competition, we're all fans, lots of us have seen hard times and good times before but that doesn't mean we have to just accept this terrible owner.
You're letting your hatred of a few CARD activists effect your judgement on this. You know regime is no good and is killing the club but you don't want to admit it because you think that means you agree with the people you hate.
It doesn't, it just makes you a fan.
Not at all. It's all well and good saying sell up but do we know who to? What the new owners intentions would be? What sort of funding they have? Why not look at the money that has been spent and get behind the team? I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team.
Are you saying I don't support the team? What evidence do you have for that?
Fact is I do support the team at home and away so please don't pretend I don't or somehow your support is "better" because we can chat about Ricky Holmes if you like.
I don't know who the next owner will or how good they will be.
What I and most fans now realise is that this owner is no good. Hes hurting the club and the team and you said that yourself in the lib.
But if you are in a bad relationship you don't stick around because the next might be worst. You get out and find someone you hope will be better.
Did I say you don't support the team and if so where did I say it??
Did I say my support was better ??!
To compare a support for a team to relationship is lame however if you insist in doing so what you do do is work at it rather than walk away.
When you said to me
"I tell you why not, bexouse you have gone so far down a road and will not turn back and support the team."
So would you not accept that people have made a rod for their own backs and would rather focus on getting the owner out rather than the team ? Do you not also agree that regardless of what is done and who,they buy in the close season people will focus on the negative rather than the positive? The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
Not what I asked or what you asked
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
Over last forty years have you had a season ticket given where we playing and the ownership, facilities, as well as some of the players we had?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
You're dodging the issue
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
Have you bought a season ticket this year and do you buy tickets for games ?
Is it a fact you have seen more games than me this season ???
More home games yes.
I see you haven't backed up your claim that I'm not supporting the team but have switched to how much I've paid or not paid when you know the answer.
The answer is in the question when you admit that when attending matches supporting the team is secondary.
So am I right in saying you haven't been to as many Charlton games this season as me ?
But that's not true. You are desperately trying to cling unto your idea that you are a better fan. Your doing what you excuse others of ie being so entrenched in your position you won't back down.
I go to games to support the team and if there's a protest I join in but I've been to more home games than you this season. I know that because you told me.
No idea how many aways you've done which what you are pinning your hopes on now having realised I'm right about the homes.
I have never stated I am a better fan, or worse, it has also been pointed to you that it wasn't directed at you in which you have failed to recognise, and acknowledge. Loving the termanolgy "cling" and "pinning". You really do come across as someone who thinks they are far superior.
You never stated it but you 'certainly ' implied it.
And you have failed to answer my question.
It was not directed at Ben it is how he interpreted the comment i can't stop that the fact he misreads things.
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The reason for this is that people will not back down even if there is to be a change.
RD and KM, in my opinion, would be happy for the supporter base to stop attending, then their feeble minds expect to create a whole new supporter base who they can influence. The new crowd will not be dedicated Charlton supporters, they will accept whatever they are told, have a couple of pints a burger, then enjoy a dance after the game. They will watch a game of football and not really care about the result.
Under those circumstances the ground will have little atmosphere, this will effect the team and therefore players will not want to be part of the club, apart from the mercenaries, and we have seen them.
Now let's get ready for the insults- the above is whyRD and KM must go.
You said I wouldn't support the team.
You denied saying it.
I quoted you saying it
Where's your evidence that I'm not supporting the team?
When now attending matches this season when someone lends you there ticket rather than buying one, other than the MK Dons game, do you only go to the games when demonstrations are planned?
Ive been to all but two home league games IE more than you, this season.
Is it a fact you have seen more games than me this season ???
I know though that most of those go because they can't stay away and the support the team not the regime mantra eases their conscience. But clearly the club by manipulating attendance figures etc need people there, so by going you help them massively.
I see you haven't backed up your claim that I'm not supporting the team but have switched to how much I've paid or not paid when you know the answer.
Will we ever know if a player leaves or decides not to come because of all that's going on.
2. Notwithstanding that, I think people have still backed the team when appropriate. The fact the management and team have been largely underachieving and shite has been the biggest issue, not the fans backing, or lack of in your opinions.
3. Once again a protest day has resulted in a positive result.
So am I right in saying you haven't been to as many Charlton games this season as me ?
I go to games to support the team and if there's a protest I join in but I've been to more home games than you this season. I know that because you told me.
No idea how many aways you've done which what you are pinning your hopes on now having realised I'm right about the homes.
As someone once said just win games and produce a respectable team and fans will return , not all but they are entitled to be fucked off with the disrespectful clowns running our club and choose to do it from the outside rather the inside .
The club is a joke and if you can't see that then you really are lucky .
Edit : make no mistake those previous regulars choosing not to attend are making a big sacrifice and this is hurting them as much if not more than anyone
You really do come across as someone who thinks they are far superior.
It was not directed at Ben it is how he interpreted the comment i can't stop that the fact he misreads things.