I forgot that Theresa May did actually mention a specific detail. When talking about mental health i believe she actually said that the Conservatives would put a counsellor in every school. Will she pay for that by using a magic money tree?
Shame no one asked her about the mental health cuts over the last 7 years.
Theresa May pulls out the magic money tree for her pals but can't justify more than a 1% pay increase for nurses who she apparently recognises do a good job.
More than many in the private sector got. Times are tough - there are a lot of people across the public sector doing a good job. Personally I think the medical profession need to be towards the top of the list of priorities.
He is such a childish public school twat. This man is our foreign secretary!
What difference does it make where he went to school?
If someone referred to a politician as a Comp school twat that wouldn't go down well would it.
In my experience people who demonstrate that amount of rudeness, arrogance and sense of entitlement went to public school. Fact. So it was a very pertinent point to make.
I forgot that Theresa May did actually mention a specific detail. When talking about mental health i believe she actually said that the Conservatives would put a counsellor in every school. Will she pay for that by using a magic money tree?
No extra money for it, just shifting the costs and thereby stretching the already over-stretched school budgets on things that should remain within the NHS budget.
Missed the Theresa May part but I must say Corbyn at least believes in what he says which makes a change for politics. In my opinion if he didn't have himself surrounded with people like Abbott and McDonnell people would be much more inclined to vote for him.
He's thrown a bit of a wobbly on the nuclear weapons questions and as someone said earlier he answers every question in a vague way by expanding the answer in to other things, as I type this he's completely dodged the blokes questions about business' moving abroad (this is one of my big worries)
Corporation tax at 26% still lower than the other G7 countries. There, answered
And if you think businesses are seriously going to go to Outer Mongolia just for a better tax rate, you're wrong.
No but they will need to balance out the increased costs that their tax bill creates. Never mind minimum wage rises as well. And abolishment of zero hours contracts.
Can anyone honestly say there won't be business casualties?
We should have as much emphasis at least on creating jobs / wealth alongside supporting the welfare bill
Labours policies make no sense whatsoever! For example: £10 minimum wage sounds wonderful but it's unrealistic for small businesses and the cost of living would go higher. It won't help when Labour want to increase Corporation Tax so that'd place an extra burden on small and medium sized businesses.
Labour also want to put extra tax on the rich and their businesses- It's all very well doing this but the rich will end up moving to other countries which wouldn't help.
We need to encourage people to start a business and Labour will be doing the exact opposite.
But of course when the shit hits the fan from Labour's mad policies Brexit will be blamed by the hard lefties
Agree, it's totally nuts - £10ph on a 37.5hr week is equivalent to nearly £20k pa.....
OMG that's almost 1/6th of the earnings of several posters on this thread who are so keen to tell us about their largesse in keeping the economy ticking over by sending their kids to public school, spending £1000's annually on eating out or having nice houses. How the hell will we cope? Let's drop it to £5 an hour instead then we'll have a much more successful economy. Nah sod it, make it £3 instead!!!
Theresa May pulls out the magic money tree for her pals but can't justify more than a 1% pay increase for nurses who she apparently recognises do a good job.
stupid comment. any public servant pay increases need to be paid for. Paid for by a realistic proposal not a fantasy costing.
He is such a childish public school twat. This man is our foreign secretary!
What difference does it make where he went to school?
If someone referred to a politician as a Comp school twat that wouldn't go down well would it.
In my experience people who demonstrate that amount of rudeness, arrogance and sense of entitlement went to public school. Fact. So it was a very pertinent point to make.
That's like saying anyone who went to a comprehensive school spent their school days abusing members of the public around the clock tower in Bexleyheath, dossing on the B15, before kicking off versus Barnehurst in the evening.
The problem is Labours economic policies make perfect sense unless you believe the economics of nations is the same as household economics. There are winners from austerity - but it is never the nation or its people - never has been in the whole history of austerity. Why people don't take the time to research and study the economic issues is beyond me.
I think pushing the red button is Corbyn's weakness. He needs to just say the truth, that he doesn't believe Trident works so he doesn't believe he will ever have to push the button, but if he did have to - apart from the fact it would mean Trident would have failed by that simple fact - he would do so. Being a pacifist who has fought against nuclear weapons all of his life, it is hard for him to do so, but it does give him a weak spot against detractors. I think he needs to explain this to the electorate in simple terms, probably not to different too how I have above. It might hurt him to say it, but he has to.
The anti semetic question was answered well - because the temptation is to give the detailed answer, but this is not the environment for detail. The fact is, Ken Livingstone's defence is that his comment was strictly accurate and an independant commision within the which is looking at it (he is currently suspended whilst it does so) has a problem as it wants to find against him but the comment he made was historically accurate. I think it was not a wise comment and I don't like the use of the word supported - because whilst it is true the Nazis supported zionism at one point, it was fuelled with a desire to remove all jews from Germany and within the context of robbing them of their assets and possessions. The Nazis always hated Jews.
There has been a merging of anti zionism and anti semitism, which are two different things. Isreal was created by removing Palestinians from their country and giving it to Jews. This was done as a reaction to the atrocity done to jews and in the context of zionist terrorism,some of it aimed at this country. Corbyn and Livingstone accept that Isreal needs to exist but both are critical of the way it treats Palestinians and has grabbed even more of their land from them. Because there are very powerful pro zionist jews in the world in America and Europe, any critique is labelled as anti-semitism. But it must be remembered that there are Jews that are anti-zionist and merging two different things into one is done because of an agenda for some and ignorance for others. One of the major issues facing the world is to difuse the tensions around Isreal - Arab leaders like Egypts Sadat have tried. Pressure has to be brought to all sides, and the challenge is to create the environment where Isreal can live in peace with its neighbours. Possible, but challenging. The Corbyn approach is how you achieve it though.
He went to a polytechnic, which at the time was a kind of sub University form of further education. Anybody remember Thames Poly for example? A lot of those Poly's were combined with other institutions and rolled up into new Universities, like our very own University of Greenwich.
Missed the Theresa May part but I must say Corbyn at least believes in what he says which makes a change for politics. In my opinion if he didn't have himself surrounded with people like Abbott and McDonnell people would be much more inclined to vote for him.
He's thrown a bit of a wobbly on the nuclear weapons questions and as someone said earlier he answers every question in a vague way by expanding the answer in to other things, as I type this he's completely dodged the blokes questions about business' moving abroad (this is one of my big worries)
Corporation tax at 26% still lower than the other G7 countries. There, answered
And if you think businesses are seriously going to go to Outer Mongolia just for a better tax rate, you're wrong.
No but they will need to balance out the increased costs that their tax bill creates. Never mind minimum wage rises as well. And abolishment of zero hours contracts.
Can anyone honestly say there won't be business casualties?
We should have as much emphasis at least on creating jobs / wealth alongside supporting the welfare bill
In the shorter term, the tax increases will bring in more money to invest in vital public services. Over the longer term, businesses will look for tax loopholes that increase company profits. It's for the government to stay one step ahead and close those loopholes / make them unattractive. Rather than just slashing tax rates and be done with.
The current model with it's low tax rate creates wealth that largely stays at the top - "the rich get richer". The balance needs to be redressed.
The Labour model would create wealth from the middle out. Invest in people, qualifications and skilled workers. People have more in their pocket to spend (benefitting the richest), and have the ability to create their own businesses and employ others (benefitting the poorest).
Theresa May pulls out the magic money tree for her pals but can't justify more than a 1% pay increase for nurses who she apparently recognises do a good job.
More than many in the private sector got. Times are tough - there are a lot of people across the public sector doing a good job. Personally I think the medical profession need to be towards the top of the list of priorities.
Who are her pals anyway?
But there were a few in the private sector that did much better than everyone, the distribution of wealth has got worse.
Missed the Theresa May part but I must say Corbyn at least believes in what he says which makes a change for politics. In my opinion if he didn't have himself surrounded with people like Abbott and McDonnell people would be much more inclined to vote for him.
He's thrown a bit of a wobbly on the nuclear weapons questions and as someone said earlier he answers every question in a vague way by expanding the answer in to other things, as I type this he's completely dodged the blokes questions about business' moving abroad (this is one of my big worries)
Corporation tax at 26% still lower than the other G7 countries. There, answered
And if you think businesses are seriously going to go to Outer Mongolia just for a better tax rate, you're wrong.
No but they will need to balance out the increased costs that their tax bill creates. Never mind minimum wage rises as well. And abolishment of zero hours contracts.
Can anyone honestly say there won't be business casualties?
We should have as much emphasis at least on creating jobs / wealth alongside supporting the welfare bill
In the shorter term, the tax increases will bring in more money to invest in vital public services. Over the longer term, businesses will look for tax loopholes that increase company profits. It's for the government to stay one step ahead and close those loopholes / make them unattractive. Rather than just slashing tax rates and be done with.
The current model with it's low tax rate creates wealth that largely stays at the top - "the rich get richer". The balance needs to be redressed.
The Labour model would create wealth from the middle out. Invest in people, qualifications and skilled workers. People have more in their pocket to spend (benefitting the richest), and have the ability to create their own businesses and employ others (benefitting the poorest).
You haven't answered how businesses will be able to guarantee job security and prosperity when there outgoing will increase overnight.
You assume every business is sitting on a huge annual profit. That's most definitely not the case.
It is putting he job security at risk for the people Corbyn claims to be wanting to help. And ignoring the benefits that are created for the economy by people being encouraged to show entrepreneurial spirit to start companies that will create jobs in the long term.
Muttley - there are 2 real problems with your first para. Firstly I do wish people would stop talking about austerity. We have been continually overspending or years. One thing that is FACT is that the previous govt policies have NOT been austerity. A total myth. The second is the implication in your post. We had a strong period of growth and recovery setup by Thatcher policies and effectively continued by later conservative and labour govts. She described these as household economics although of course it was much more complicated than that.
Missed the Theresa May part but I must say Corbyn at least believes in what he says which makes a change for politics. In my opinion if he didn't have himself surrounded with people like Abbott and McDonnell people would be much more inclined to vote for him.
He's thrown a bit of a wobbly on the nuclear weapons questions and as someone said earlier he answers every question in a vague way by expanding the answer in to other things, as I type this he's completely dodged the blokes questions about business' moving abroad (this is one of my big worries)
Corporation tax at 26% still lower than the other G7 countries. There, answered
And if you think businesses are seriously going to go to Outer Mongolia just for a better tax rate, you're wrong.
No but they will need to balance out the increased costs that their tax bill creates. Never mind minimum wage rises as well. And abolishment of zero hours contracts.
Can anyone honestly say there won't be business casualties?
We should have as much emphasis at least on creating jobs / wealth alongside supporting the welfare bill
The Corporate Tax Rate in the United Kingdom stands at 19 percent. Corporate Tax Rate in the United Kingdom averaged 31.95 percent from 1981 until 2017, reaching an all time high of 52 percent in 1982 and a record low of 19 percent in 2017.
Current rates:
United States 38.90 India 34.61 Brazil 34.00 France 33.30 Japan 30.86 Australia 30.00 Mexico 30.00 Germany 29.72 Italy 27.90 Canada 26.50 China 25.00 Indonesia 25.00 Netherlands 25.00 Spain 25.00 South Korea 24.20 Russia 20.00 Turkey 20.00 United Kingdom 19.00 Switzerland 17.92
Can anybody say there will be business casualties?
Is £10 ph really too much to ask for? How the hell can a family live on £20k a year?
Is having guaranteed work really too much to ask for?
Muttley - there are 2 real problems with your first para. Firstly I do wish people would stop talking about austerity. We have been continually overspending or years. One thing that is FACT is that the previous govt policies have NOT been austerity. A total myth. The second is the implication in your post. We had a strong period of growth and recovery setup by Thatcher policies and effectively continued by later conservative and labour govts. She described these as household economics although of course it was much more complicated than that.
You are correct, it is the government talking about austerity, but even they realise you have to invest and borrow - it is just they implement illogical aspects of austerity like wage supression. Taking money from the poor and just about managing makes no economic sense. If you give a struggling person more money, say pay a nurse more money, they spend more money - that money works and grows the economy - whereas printing it and leaving it in a bank vault does very little.
You are right that it is much more complicated, but I am trying to raise the debate to a level where the pros and cons are discussed using economic arguments. The link the Tories portray to the population that the wider economy is like their household budgets is incorrect and I think backs the point you make. America has had a deficit since the 1800s that now stands at around 440 bn dollars. As their deficit has grown, so has their wealth! The weak argument being used would suggest this is impossible! As leading economists around the world have stated - not me - it is the economics of the nursery school playground. This is a football forum, so my encouragement is for people to study the economics of austerity and draw their own conclusions rather than me write an essay on it. But not to fall for the simplistic argument that seems logical until you undertsand how it all works.
I didn't mean to imply Thatcher set up growth. I am not a fan of hersalthough I accept she did some good things - but far more bad things that we are now suffering for. Economies want to grow - people want to make money - that is how capitalism works.
FFS interest rates are 0.25%. Borrowing to spend on capital projects is a wise decision unlike Thatcher/May and Tories in between doling money out to their mates. They have borrowed a trillion in 7 years without any discernable benefit. Whose Money Tree is that? Austerity has never worked for the vast majority of Brits or any other nation. Did any of you guys ever study economics? Have you heard of John Maynard Keynes? Do you know your way round a balance sheet? I can answer yes to all three.
Theresa May pulls out the magic money tree for her pals but can't justify more than a 1% pay increase for nurses who she apparently recognises do a good job.
stupid comment. any public servant pay increases need to be paid for. Paid for by a realistic proposal not a fantasy costing.
How about, instead of tearing the arse out of our public services on some failed premise of austerity to counteract the mythical overspending of the previous government, they actually try to stimulate some proper growth in the fecking economy?
The race to the bottom hasn't worked and won't work if they do it for another decade like the Tories are promising.
He is such a childish public school twat. This man is our foreign secretary!
What difference does it make where he went to school?
If someone referred to a politician as a Comp school twat that wouldn't go down well would it.
In my experience people who demonstrate that amount of rudeness, arrogance and sense of entitlement went to public school. Fact. So it was a very pertinent point to make.
That's like saying anyone who went to a comprehensive school spent their school days abusing members of the public around the clock tower in Bexleyheath, dossing on the B15, before kicking off versus Barnehurst in the evening.
That's about as much of a fact as yours.
I thought we were past generalisations
That is not a fact for me because I have never knowingly met a person who went to a comprehensive school in Bexleyheath or Barnehurst or who is guilty of abusing members of the public. Are you saying everyone who went to a comprehensive is guilty of abusing members of the public?
FFS interest rates are 0.25%. Borrowing to spend on capital projects is a wise decision unlike Thatcher/May and Tories in between doling money out to their mates. They have borrowed a trillion in 7 years without any discernable benefit. Whose Money Tree is that? Austerity has never worked for the vast majority of Brits or any other nation. Did any of you guys ever study economics? Have you heard of John Maynard Keynes? Do you know your way round a balance sheet? I can answer yes to all three.
Keynes said the time for austerity was the boom period. He used the term austerity for effect, but the logic behind his statement is that you pay back debt when you have high growth! I think people should study Keynes - he was the greatest economist of all time in my opinion and was a capitalist who regularly criticised socialism. But not the socialsim of the Labour manifesto - the Labour manifesto would be the only one I think he would back of all the poltical parties.
I'd probably put it at around #1000000000000000 of likely things to kill me in the future.
I'm probably old to you but what you need to remember is that "old people" lived through a world fucking war where another country wanted to kill you. That tends to make you look at having the option to defend yourself.
Yes, and Labour has committed more to defence spending than the Tories who have included paying pensions in their calculations! Those same old people voted for Labour immediately after the war. They wanted/demanded an NHS and a welfare state!
Tory says young people are stupid for disagreeing with him.
Isn't that guy one of the Prison_Planet style far-right trolls who've regrettably found a niche on Twitter?
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Who are her pals anyway?
Can anyone honestly say there won't be business casualties?
We should have as much emphasis at least on creating jobs / wealth alongside supporting the welfare bill
Tonight he said something about turning down the chance.
I think the chance was norfolk and chance.
Mind you they nearly all lie (so I'm not singling him out).
That's about as much of a fact as yours.
I thought we were past generalisations
I think pushing the red button is Corbyn's weakness. He needs to just say the truth, that he doesn't believe Trident works so he doesn't believe he will ever have to push the button, but if he did have to - apart from the fact it would mean Trident would have failed by that simple fact - he would do so. Being a pacifist who has fought against nuclear weapons all of his life, it is hard for him to do so, but it does give him a weak spot against detractors. I think he needs to explain this to the electorate in simple terms, probably not to different too how I have above. It might hurt him to say it, but he has to.
The anti semetic question was answered well - because the temptation is to give the detailed answer, but this is not the environment for detail. The fact is, Ken Livingstone's defence is that his comment was strictly accurate and an independant commision within the which is looking at it (he is currently suspended whilst it does so) has a problem as it wants to find against him but the comment he made was historically accurate. I think it was not a wise comment and I don't like the use of the word supported - because whilst it is true the Nazis supported zionism at one point, it was fuelled with a desire to remove all jews from Germany and within the context of robbing them of their assets and possessions. The Nazis always hated Jews.
There has been a merging of anti zionism and anti semitism, which are two different things. Isreal was created by removing Palestinians from their country and giving it to Jews. This was done as a reaction to the atrocity done to jews and in the context of zionist terrorism,some of it aimed at this country. Corbyn and Livingstone accept that Isreal needs to exist but both are critical of the way it treats Palestinians and has grabbed even more of their land from them. Because there are very powerful pro zionist jews in the world in America and Europe, any critique is labelled as anti-semitism. But it must be remembered that there are Jews that are anti-zionist and merging two different things into one is done because of an agenda for some and ignorance for others. One of the major issues facing the world is to difuse the tensions around Isreal - Arab leaders like Egypts Sadat have tried. Pressure has to be brought to all sides, and the challenge is to create the environment where Isreal can live in peace with its neighbours. Possible, but challenging. The Corbyn approach is how you achieve it though.
Anybody remember Thames Poly for example?
A lot of those Poly's were combined with other institutions and rolled up into new Universities, like our very own University of Greenwich.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polytechnic_(United_Kingdom)
The current model with it's low tax rate creates wealth that largely stays at the top - "the rich get richer". The balance needs to be redressed.
The Labour model would create wealth from the middle out. Invest in people, qualifications and skilled workers. People have more in their pocket to spend (benefitting the richest), and have the ability to create their own businesses and employ others (benefitting the poorest).
You assume every business is sitting on a huge annual profit. That's most definitely not the case.
It is putting he job security at risk for the people Corbyn claims to be wanting to help. And ignoring the benefits that are created for the economy by people being encouraged to show entrepreneurial spirit to start companies that will create jobs in the long term.
The second is the implication in your post. We had a strong period of growth and recovery setup by Thatcher policies and effectively continued by later conservative and labour govts. She described these as household economics although of course it was much more complicated than that.
Current rates:
United States 38.90
India 34.61
Brazil 34.00
France 33.30
Japan 30.86
Australia 30.00
Mexico 30.00
Germany 29.72
Italy 27.90
Canada 26.50
China 25.00
Indonesia 25.00
Netherlands 25.00
Spain 25.00
South Korea 24.20
Russia 20.00
Turkey 20.00
United Kingdom 19.00
Switzerland 17.92
Can anybody say there will be business casualties?
Is £10 ph really too much to ask for? How the hell can a family live on £20k a year?
Is having guaranteed work really too much to ask for?
No - it's all about profits and dividends.
CORPORATION TAX RATE IS 12.5%
This applies to all Irish corporate trading profits. A rate of 25% applies to non-trading (passive) income.
You are right that it is much more complicated, but I am trying to raise the debate to a level where the pros and cons are discussed using economic arguments. The link the Tories portray to the population that the wider economy is like their household budgets is incorrect and I think backs the point you make. America has had a deficit since the 1800s that now stands at around 440 bn dollars. As their deficit has grown, so has their wealth! The weak argument being used would suggest this is impossible! As leading economists around the world have stated - not me - it is the economics of the nursery school playground. This is a football forum, so my encouragement is for people to study the economics of austerity and draw their own conclusions rather than me write an essay on it. But not to fall for the simplistic argument that seems logical until you undertsand how it all works.
I didn't mean to imply Thatcher set up growth. I am not a fan of hersalthough I accept she did some good things - but far more bad things that we are now suffering for. Economies want to grow - people want to make money - that is how capitalism works.
The race to the bottom hasn't worked and won't work if they do it for another decade like the Tories are promising.
economicshelp.org/blog/7568/debt/government-debt-under-labour-1997-2010/
Don't dismiss it as an old person thing.
Tory says young people are stupid for disagreeing with him.