I am not a big fan of Red Bull drink, which is an unhealthy overly sugary & caffeinated drink. The undermining of the German model of ownership at Leipzig is not a good thing as the 51% ownership appears to be pretty good. The 51% rule Duchatelet found obstructive at the German club owns for eg.
A club owned by Red Bull appears to primarily a marketing tool subordinated to the needs of the main brand. Not sure whether that is what Charlton needs after Jimenez / Slater & Duchatelet / Meire.
Remind me of Red Bull Leipzig’s progress under Red Bull ownership
So if Serial killers are us *(see note) had the financial clout to get Charlton to the Premiership & had supported a club in a foreign league to rise a few divisions then you would be ok with that @ShootersHillGuru ? I know that is a bit of a crass response but it matches your answer.
(NB Not claiming Red Bull are serial killers).
Heavily sugared food & drinks have contributed to a series increase to levels of obesity & diabetes. Add in Red Bull Network & likely be Red Bull Uber alles *Note 2 & their undermining of a decent ownership structure. Don’t think that it would be a good fit.
(NB 2 Not claiming Red Bull are Fascists)
There will always be a consideration in terms of owners & how that fits in with the club values & history. After Meire & Duchatelet’s disrespect of Charlton’s history, it would be excellent if Charlton had some owners who respected that. It is not an unreasonable dream to think that success can be achieved without ditching all principle.
Sorry if I’m missing something here in your post but I really don’t get where you are coming from. As far as I’m aware Red Bull are a legitimate and lawful business. Are you suggesting that because they manufacture a sweet fizzy drink that they don’t fit the profile of suitable owners for CAFC ?
Pretty much every manufacturer of anything leaves a negative footprint in some way or another. Certainly if the new owners were connected to certain industries there might be cause to question but at this point I’m drawing the line at fizzy drinks.
As for undermining history, well I suppose that’s an argument and situation that some might find issue with should it occur.
Of course it’s only my personal opinion but I’d be grudgingly ok with RB Charlton Athletic and certainly wouldn’t bat an eyelid at The Red Bull Valley.
What on Earth you are going on about serial killers and fascists for I have no idea. I also find it hard to see your point about my “crass answer”
You kind of missed the point. It is not just about the fact that Red Bull sell an unhealthy sugary drink. They are a big corporate company & it would be more than just sponsorship of the stadium. There would be a risk that Charlton would serve the Corporate entity in terms of their structure of football clubs and lose its identity.
In the thread above, it was also described about Red Bull getting round the 51% ownership rule to the detriment of other German clubs. That rule is a decent rule which give supporters some says with more reasonable ticketing prices and some say in the clubs running. Is it good to ignore what Red Bull are trying to do ?
Having experienced Duchatelet & Meire, who did not put the needs of the club first, Is it good for Charlton to end up in a similar position with Red Bull, ?
This all getting to specific about Red Bull in any case as you like they say, they don't appear to be in the running, so it is pointless getting into any further big discussion about the merits of a Red Bull ownership.
The notes were just crap jokes about how literal Charlton Life can be sometimes whilst ignoring the main point made. The serial killer things was just drawing out your point about that it does matter how success is achieved and should Charlton sell its soul for success at any costs.
I am not a big fan of Red Bull drink, which is an unhealthy overly sugary & caffeinated drink. The undermining of the German model of ownership at Leipzig is not a good thing as the 51% ownership appears to be pretty good. The 51% rule Duchatelet found obstructive at the German club owns for eg.
A club owned by Red Bull appears to primarily a marketing tool subordinated to the needs of the main brand. Not sure whether that is what Charlton needs after Jimenez / Slater & Duchatelet / Meire.
Remind me of Red Bull Leipzig’s progress under Red Bull ownership
So if Serial killers are us *(see note) had the financial clout to get Charlton to the Premiership & had supported a club in a foreign league to rise a few divisions then you would be ok with that @ShootersHillGuru ? I know that is a bit of a crass response but it matches your answer.
(NB Not claiming Red Bull are serial killers).
Heavily sugared food & drinks have contributed to a series increase to levels of obesity & diabetes. Add in Red Bull Network & likely be Red Bull Uber alles *Note 2 & their undermining of a decent ownership structure. Don’t think that it would be a good fit.
(NB 2 Not claiming Red Bull are Fascists)
There will always be a consideration in terms of owners & how that fits in with the club values & history. After Meire & Duchatelet’s disrespect of Charlton’s history, it would be excellent if Charlton had some owners who respected that. It is not an unreasonable dream to think that success can be achieved without ditching all principle.
Sorry if I’m missing something here in your post but I really don’t get where you are coming from. As far as I’m aware Red Bull are a legitimate and lawful business. Are you suggesting that because they manufacture a sweet fizzy drink that they don’t fit the profile of suitable owners for CAFC ?
Pretty much every manufacturer of anything leaves a negative footprint in some way or another. Certainly if the new owners were connected to certain industries there might be cause to question but at this point I’m drawing the line at fizzy drinks.
As for undermining history, well I suppose that’s an argument and situation that some might find issue with should it occur.
Of course it’s only my personal opinion but I’d be grudgingly ok with RB Charlton Athletic and certainly wouldn’t bat an eyelid at The Red Bull Valley.
What on Earth you are going on about serial killers and fascists for I have no idea. I also find it hard to see your point about my “crass answer”
You kind of missed the point. It is not just about the fact that Red Bull sell an unhealthy sugary drink. They are a big corporate company & it would be more than just sponsorship of the stadium. There would be a risk that Charlton would serve the Corporate entity in terms of their structure of football clubs and lose its identity.
In the thread above, it was also described about Red Bull getting round the 51% ownership rule to the detriment of other German clubs. That rule is a decent rule which give supporters some says with more reasonable ticketing prices and some say in the clubs running. Is it good to ignore what Red Bull are trying to do ?
Having experienced Duchatelet & Meire, who did not put the needs of the club first, Is it good for Charlton to end up in a similar position with Red Bull, ?
This all getting to specific about Red Bull in any case as you like they say, they don't appear to be in the running, so it is pointless getting into any further big discussion about the merits of a Red Bull ownership.
The notes were just crap jokes about how literal Charlton Life can be sometimes whilst ignoring the main point made. The serial killer things was just drawing out your point about that it does matter how success is achieved and should Charlton sell its soul for success at any costs.
Still don’t get it. Success at any cost ????? Where have I or for that matter anyone else suggested that. What I have said is that as far as I’m concerned a name change to RB Charlton and / or The RB Valley is a price I would be prepared to pay. I fully understand that might be a step too far for some fans but if you think that’s success at any cost then we are poles apart.
I am not a big fan of Red Bull drink, which is an unhealthy overly sugary & caffeinated drink. The undermining of the German model of ownership at Leipzig is not a good thing as the 51% ownership appears to be pretty good. The 51% rule Duchatelet found obstructive at the German club owns for eg.
A club owned by Red Bull appears to primarily a marketing tool subordinated to the needs of the main brand. Not sure whether that is what Charlton needs after Jimenez / Slater & Duchatelet / Meire.
Remind me of Red Bull Leipzig’s progress under Red Bull ownership
So if Serial killers are us *(see note) had the financial clout to get Charlton to the Premiership & had supported a club in a foreign league to rise a few divisions then you would be ok with that @ShootersHillGuru ? I know that is a bit of a crass response but it matches your answer.
(NB Not claiming Red Bull are serial killers).
Heavily sugared food & drinks have contributed to a series increase to levels of obesity & diabetes. Add in Red Bull Network & likely be Red Bull Uber alles *Note 2 & their undermining of a decent ownership structure. Don’t think that it would be a good fit.
(NB 2 Not claiming Red Bull are Fascists)
There will always be a consideration in terms of owners & how that fits in with the club values & history. After Meire & Duchatelet’s disrespect of Charlton’s history, it would be excellent if Charlton had some owners who respected that. It is not an unreasonable dream to think that success can be achieved without ditching all principle.
Sorry if I’m missing something here in your post but I really don’t get where you are coming from. As far as I’m aware Red Bull are a legitimate and lawful business. Are you suggesting that because they manufacture a sweet fizzy drink that they don’t fit the profile of suitable owners for CAFC ?
Pretty much every manufacturer of anything leaves a negative footprint in some way or another. Certainly if the new owners were connected to certain industries there might be cause to question but at this point I’m drawing the line at fizzy drinks.
As for undermining history, well I suppose that’s an argument and situation that some might find issue with should it occur.
Of course it’s only my personal opinion but I’d be grudgingly ok with RB Charlton Athletic and certainly wouldn’t bat an eyelid at The Red Bull Valley.
What on Earth you are going on about serial killers and fascists for I have no idea. I also find it hard to see your point about my “crass answer”
You kind of missed the point. It is not just about the fact that Red Bull sell an unhealthy sugary drink. They are a big corporate company & it would be more than just sponsorship of the stadium. There would be a risk that Charlton would serve the Corporate entity in terms of their structure of football clubs and lose its identity.
In the thread above, it was also described about Red Bull getting round the 51% ownership rule to the detriment of other German clubs. That rule is a decent rule which give supporters some says with more reasonable ticketing prices and some say in the clubs running. Is it good to ignore what Red Bull are trying to do ?
Having experienced Duchatelet & Meire, who did not put the needs of the club first, Is it good for Charlton to end up in a similar position with Red Bull, ?
This all getting to specific about Red Bull in any case as you like they say, they don't appear to be in the running, so it is pointless getting into any further big discussion about the merits of a Red Bull ownership.
The notes were just crap jokes about how literal Charlton Life can be sometimes whilst ignoring the main point made. The serial killer things was just drawing out your point about that it does matter how success is achieved and should Charlton sell its soul for success at any costs.
Still don’t get it. Success at any cost ????? Where have I or for that matter anyone else suggested that. What I have said is that as far as I’m concerned a name change to RB Charlton and / or The RB Valley is a price I would be prepared to pay. I fully understand that might be a step too far for some fans but if you think that’s success at any cost then we are poles apart.
My point is that it would likely be more than just a Stadium name change re: Red Bull in the unlikely event they bought the club.
If we can forget about Red Bull for one moment. I am making a general point about ownership & success.
I am not a big fan of Red Bull drink, which is an unhealthy overly sugary & caffeinated drink. The undermining of the German model of ownership at Leipzig is not a good thing as the 51% ownership appears to be pretty good. The 51% rule Duchatelet found obstructive at the German club owns for eg.
A club owned by Red Bull appears to primarily a marketing tool subordinated to the needs of the main brand. Not sure whether that is what Charlton needs after Jimenez / Slater & Duchatelet / Meire.
Remind me of Red Bull Leipzig’s progress under Red Bull ownership
So if Serial killers are us *(see note) had the financial clout to get Charlton to the Premiership & had supported a club in a foreign league to rise a few divisions then you would be ok with that @ShootersHillGuru ? I know that is a bit of a crass response but it matches your answer.
(NB Not claiming Red Bull are serial killers).
Heavily sugared food & drinks have contributed to a series increase to levels of obesity & diabetes. Add in Red Bull Network & likely be Red Bull Uber alles *Note 2 & their undermining of a decent ownership structure. Don’t think that it would be a good fit.
(NB 2 Not claiming Red Bull are Fascists)
There will always be a consideration in terms of owners & how that fits in with the club values & history. After Meire & Duchatelet’s disrespect of Charlton’s history, it would be excellent if Charlton had some owners who respected that. It is not an unreasonable dream to think that success can be achieved without ditching all principle.
Sorry if I’m missing something here in your post but I really don’t get where you are coming from. As far as I’m aware Red Bull are a legitimate and lawful business. Are you suggesting that because they manufacture a sweet fizzy drink that they don’t fit the profile of suitable owners for CAFC ?
Pretty much every manufacturer of anything leaves a negative footprint in some way or another. Certainly if the new owners were connected to certain industries there might be cause to question but at this point I’m drawing the line at fizzy drinks.
As for undermining history, well I suppose that’s an argument and situation that some might find issue with should it occur.
Of course it’s only my personal opinion but I’d be grudgingly ok with RB Charlton Athletic and certainly wouldn’t bat an eyelid at The Red Bull Valley.
What on Earth you are going on about serial killers and fascists for I have no idea. I also find it hard to see your point about my “crass answer”
You kind of missed the point. It is not just about the fact that Red Bull sell an unhealthy sugary drink. They are a big corporate company & it would be more than just sponsorship of the stadium. There would be a risk that Charlton would serve the Corporate entity in terms of their structure of football clubs and lose its identity.
In the thread above, it was also described about Red Bull getting round the 51% ownership rule to the detriment of other German clubs. That rule is a decent rule which give supporters some says with more reasonable ticketing prices and some say in the clubs running. Is it good to ignore what Red Bull are trying to do ?
Having experienced Duchatelet & Meire, who did not put the needs of the club first, Is it good for Charlton to end up in a similar position with Red Bull, ?
This all getting to specific about Red Bull in any case as you like they say, they don't appear to be in the running, so it is pointless getting into any further big discussion about the merits of a Red Bull ownership.
The notes were just crap jokes about how literal Charlton Life can be sometimes whilst ignoring the main point made. The serial killer things was just drawing out your point about that it does matter how success is achieved and should Charlton sell its soul for success at any costs.
Still don’t get it. Success at any cost ????? Where have I or for that matter anyone else suggested that. What I have said is that as far as I’m concerned a name change to RB Charlton and / or The RB Valley is a price I would be prepared to pay. I fully understand that might be a step too far for some fans but if you think that’s success at any cost then we are poles apart.
My point is that it would likely be more than just a Stadium name change re: Red Bull in the unlikely event they bought the club.
If we can forget about Red Bull for one moment. I am making a general point about ownership & success.
I am not a big fan of Red Bull drink, which is an unhealthy overly sugary & caffeinated drink. The undermining of the German model of ownership at Leipzig is not a good thing as the 51% ownership appears to be pretty good. The 51% rule Duchatelet found obstructive at the German club owns for eg.
A club owned by Red Bull appears to primarily a marketing tool subordinated to the needs of the main brand. Not sure whether that is what Charlton needs after Jimenez / Slater & Duchatelet / Meire.
Remind me of Red Bull Leipzig’s progress under Red Bull ownership
So if Serial killers are us *(see note) had the financial clout to get Charlton to the Premiership & had supported a club in a foreign league to rise a few divisions then you would be ok with that @ShootersHillGuru ? I know that is a bit of a crass response but it matches your answer.
(NB Not claiming Red Bull are serial killers).
Heavily sugared food & drinks have contributed to a series increase to levels of obesity & diabetes. Add in Red Bull Network & likely be Red Bull Uber alles *Note 2 & their undermining of a decent ownership structure. Don’t think that it would be a good fit.
(NB 2 Not claiming Red Bull are Fascists)
There will always be a consideration in terms of owners & how that fits in with the club values & history. After Meire & Duchatelet’s disrespect of Charlton’s history, it would be excellent if Charlton had some owners who respected that. It is not an unreasonable dream to think that success can be achieved without ditching all principle.
Sorry if I’m missing something here in your post but I really don’t get where you are coming from. As far as I’m aware Red Bull are a legitimate and lawful business. Are you suggesting that because they manufacture a sweet fizzy drink that they don’t fit the profile of suitable owners for CAFC ?
Pretty much every manufacturer of anything leaves a negative footprint in some way or another. Certainly if the new owners were connected to certain industries there might be cause to question but at this point I’m drawing the line at fizzy drinks.
As for undermining history, well I suppose that’s an argument and situation that some might find issue with should it occur.
Of course it’s only my personal opinion but I’d be grudgingly ok with RB Charlton Athletic and certainly wouldn’t bat an eyelid at The Red Bull Valley.
What on Earth you are going on about serial killers and fascists for I have no idea. I also find it hard to see your point about my “crass answer”
You kind of missed the point. It is not just about the fact that Red Bull sell an unhealthy sugary drink. They are a big corporate company & it would be more than just sponsorship of the stadium. There would be a risk that Charlton would serve the Corporate entity in terms of their structure of football clubs and lose its identity.
In the thread above, it was also described about Red Bull getting round the 51% ownership rule to the detriment of other German clubs. That rule is a decent rule which give supporters some says with more reasonable ticketing prices and some say in the clubs running. Is it good to ignore what Red Bull are trying to do ?
Having experienced Duchatelet & Meire, who did not put the needs of the club first, Is it good for Charlton to end up in a similar position with Red Bull, ?
This all getting to specific about Red Bull in any case as you like they say, they don't appear to be in the running, so it is pointless getting into any further big discussion about the merits of a Red Bull ownership.
The notes were just crap jokes about how literal Charlton Life can be sometimes whilst ignoring the main point made. The serial killer things was just drawing out your point about that it does matter how success is achieved and should Charlton sell its soul for success at any costs.
Still don’t get it. Success at any cost ????? Where have I or for that matter anyone else suggested that. What I have said is that as far as I’m concerned a name change to RB Charlton and / or The RB Valley is a price I would be prepared to pay. I fully understand that might be a step too far for some fans but if you think that’s success at any cost then we are poles apart.
My point is that it would likely be more than just a Stadium name change re: Red Bull in the unlikely event they bought the club.
If we can forget about Red Bull for one moment. I am making a general point about ownership & success.
And I still don’t get it.
If Charlton had owners who could fund a push to the Premiership it is better to have good owners, who make their money by positive means than other owners, who may have made their money by less positive means.
I am not a big fan of Red Bull drink, which is an unhealthy overly sugary & caffeinated drink. The undermining of the German model of ownership at Leipzig is not a good thing as the 51% ownership appears to be pretty good. The 51% rule Duchatelet found obstructive at the German club owns for eg.
A club owned by Red Bull appears to primarily a marketing tool subordinated to the needs of the main brand. Not sure whether that is what Charlton needs after Jimenez / Slater & Duchatelet / Meire.
Remind me of Red Bull Leipzig’s progress under Red Bull ownership
So if Serial killers are us *(see note) had the financial clout to get Charlton to the Premiership & had supported a club in a foreign league to rise a few divisions then you would be ok with that @ShootersHillGuru ? I know that is a bit of a crass response but it matches your answer.
(NB Not claiming Red Bull are serial killers).
Heavily sugared food & drinks have contributed to a series increase to levels of obesity & diabetes. Add in Red Bull Network & likely be Red Bull Uber alles *Note 2 & their undermining of a decent ownership structure. Don’t think that it would be a good fit.
(NB 2 Not claiming Red Bull are Fascists)
There will always be a consideration in terms of owners & how that fits in with the club values & history. After Meire & Duchatelet’s disrespect of Charlton’s history, it would be excellent if Charlton had some owners who respected that. It is not an unreasonable dream to think that success can be achieved without ditching all principle.
Sorry if I’m missing something here in your post but I really don’t get where you are coming from. As far as I’m aware Red Bull are a legitimate and lawful business. Are you suggesting that because they manufacture a sweet fizzy drink that they don’t fit the profile of suitable owners for CAFC ?
Pretty much every manufacturer of anything leaves a negative footprint in some way or another. Certainly if the new owners were connected to certain industries there might be cause to question but at this point I’m drawing the line at fizzy drinks.
As for undermining history, well I suppose that’s an argument and situation that some might find issue with should it occur.
Of course it’s only my personal opinion but I’d be grudgingly ok with RB Charlton Athletic and certainly wouldn’t bat an eyelid at The Red Bull Valley.
What on Earth you are going on about serial killers and fascists for I have no idea. I also find it hard to see your point about my “crass answer”
You kind of missed the point. It is not just about the fact that Red Bull sell an unhealthy sugary drink. They are a big corporate company & it would be more than just sponsorship of the stadium. There would be a risk that Charlton would serve the Corporate entity in terms of their structure of football clubs and lose its identity.
In the thread above, it was also described about Red Bull getting round the 51% ownership rule to the detriment of other German clubs. That rule is a decent rule which give supporters some says with more reasonable ticketing prices and some say in the clubs running. Is it good to ignore what Red Bull are trying to do ?
Having experienced Duchatelet & Meire, who did not put the needs of the club first, Is it good for Charlton to end up in a similar position with Red Bull, ?
This all getting to specific about Red Bull in any case as you like they say, they don't appear to be in the running, so it is pointless getting into any further big discussion about the merits of a Red Bull ownership.
The notes were just crap jokes about how literal Charlton Life can be sometimes whilst ignoring the main point made. The serial killer things was just drawing out your point about that it does matter how success is achieved and should Charlton sell its soul for success at any costs.
Still don’t get it. Success at any cost ????? Where have I or for that matter anyone else suggested that. What I have said is that as far as I’m concerned a name change to RB Charlton and / or The RB Valley is a price I would be prepared to pay. I fully understand that might be a step too far for some fans but if you think that’s success at any cost then we are poles apart.
My point is that it would likely be more than just a Stadium name change re: Red Bull in the unlikely event they bought the club.
If we can forget about Red Bull for one moment. I am making a general point about ownership & success.
And I still don’t get it.
If Charlton had owners who could fund a push to the Premiership it is better to have good owners, who make their money by positive means than other owners, who may have made their money by less positive means.
Oh the innocence. If only my farts smelt like rosewater drizzled over freshly baked brioche buns...
I am not a big fan of Red Bull drink, which is an unhealthy overly sugary & caffeinated drink. The undermining of the German model of ownership at Leipzig is not a good thing as the 51% ownership appears to be pretty good. The 51% rule Duchatelet found obstructive at the German club owns for eg.
A club owned by Red Bull appears to primarily a marketing tool subordinated to the needs of the main brand. Not sure whether that is what Charlton needs after Jimenez / Slater & Duchatelet / Meire.
Remind me of Red Bull Leipzig’s progress under Red Bull ownership
So if Serial killers are us *(see note) had the financial clout to get Charlton to the Premiership & had supported a club in a foreign league to rise a few divisions then you would be ok with that @ShootersHillGuru ? I know that is a bit of a crass response but it matches your answer.
(NB Not claiming Red Bull are serial killers).
Heavily sugared food & drinks have contributed to a series increase to levels of obesity & diabetes. Add in Red Bull Network & likely be Red Bull Uber alles *Note 2 & their undermining of a decent ownership structure. Don’t think that it would be a good fit.
(NB 2 Not claiming Red Bull are Fascists)
There will always be a consideration in terms of owners & how that fits in with the club values & history. After Meire & Duchatelet’s disrespect of Charlton’s history, it would be excellent if Charlton had some owners who respected that. It is not an unreasonable dream to think that success can be achieved without ditching all principle.
Sorry if I’m missing something here in your post but I really don’t get where you are coming from. As far as I’m aware Red Bull are a legitimate and lawful business. Are you suggesting that because they manufacture a sweet fizzy drink that they don’t fit the profile of suitable owners for CAFC ?
Pretty much every manufacturer of anything leaves a negative footprint in some way or another. Certainly if the new owners were connected to certain industries there might be cause to question but at this point I’m drawing the line at fizzy drinks.
As for undermining history, well I suppose that’s an argument and situation that some might find issue with should it occur.
Of course it’s only my personal opinion but I’d be grudgingly ok with RB Charlton Athletic and certainly wouldn’t bat an eyelid at The Red Bull Valley.
What on Earth you are going on about serial killers and fascists for I have no idea. I also find it hard to see your point about my “crass answer”
You kind of missed the point. It is not just about the fact that Red Bull sell an unhealthy sugary drink. They are a big corporate company & it would be more than just sponsorship of the stadium. There would be a risk that Charlton would serve the Corporate entity in terms of their structure of football clubs and lose its identity.
In the thread above, it was also described about Red Bull getting round the 51% ownership rule to the detriment of other German clubs. That rule is a decent rule which give supporters some says with more reasonable ticketing prices and some say in the clubs running. Is it good to ignore what Red Bull are trying to do ?
Having experienced Duchatelet & Meire, who did not put the needs of the club first, Is it good for Charlton to end up in a similar position with Red Bull, ?
This all getting to specific about Red Bull in any case as you like they say, they don't appear to be in the running, so it is pointless getting into any further big discussion about the merits of a Red Bull ownership.
The notes were just crap jokes about how literal Charlton Life can be sometimes whilst ignoring the main point made. The serial killer things was just drawing out your point about that it does matter how success is achieved and should Charlton sell its soul for success at any costs.
Still don’t get it. Success at any cost ????? Where have I or for that matter anyone else suggested that. What I have said is that as far as I’m concerned a name change to RB Charlton and / or The RB Valley is a price I would be prepared to pay. I fully understand that might be a step too far for some fans but if you think that’s success at any cost then we are poles apart.
My point is that it would likely be more than just a Stadium name change re: Red Bull in the unlikely event they bought the club.
If we can forget about Red Bull for one moment. I am making a general point about ownership & success.
And I still don’t get it.
If Charlton had owners who could fund a push to the Premiership it is better to have good owners, who make their money by positive means than other owners, who may have made their money by less positive means.
You mean as opposed to serial killers and fascists or even worse fizzy drink manufacturers.
I am not a big fan of Red Bull drink, which is an unhealthy overly sugary & caffeinated drink. The undermining of the German model of ownership at Leipzig is not a good thing as the 51% ownership appears to be pretty good. The 51% rule Duchatelet found obstructive at the German club owns for eg.
A club owned by Red Bull appears to primarily a marketing tool subordinated to the needs of the main brand. Not sure whether that is what Charlton needs after Jimenez / Slater & Duchatelet / Meire.
Remind me of Red Bull Leipzig’s progress under Red Bull ownership
So if Serial killers are us *(see note) had the financial clout to get Charlton to the Premiership & had supported a club in a foreign league to rise a few divisions then you would be ok with that @ShootersHillGuru ? I know that is a bit of a crass response but it matches your answer.
(NB Not claiming Red Bull are serial killers).
Heavily sugared food & drinks have contributed to a series increase to levels of obesity & diabetes. Add in Red Bull Network & likely be Red Bull Uber alles *Note 2 & their undermining of a decent ownership structure. Don’t think that it would be a good fit.
(NB 2 Not claiming Red Bull are Fascists)
There will always be a consideration in terms of owners & how that fits in with the club values & history. After Meire & Duchatelet’s disrespect of Charlton’s history, it would be excellent if Charlton had some owners who respected that. It is not an unreasonable dream to think that success can be achieved without ditching all principle.
Sorry if I’m missing something here in your post but I really don’t get where you are coming from. As far as I’m aware Red Bull are a legitimate and lawful business. Are you suggesting that because they manufacture a sweet fizzy drink that they don’t fit the profile of suitable owners for CAFC ?
Pretty much every manufacturer of anything leaves a negative footprint in some way or another. Certainly if the new owners were connected to certain industries there might be cause to question but at this point I’m drawing the line at fizzy drinks.
As for undermining history, well I suppose that’s an argument and situation that some might find issue with should it occur.
Of course it’s only my personal opinion but I’d be grudgingly ok with RB Charlton Athletic and certainly wouldn’t bat an eyelid at The Red Bull Valley.
What on Earth you are going on about serial killers and fascists for I have no idea. I also find it hard to see your point about my “crass answer”
You kind of missed the point. It is not just about the fact that Red Bull sell an unhealthy sugary drink. They are a big corporate company & it would be more than just sponsorship of the stadium. There would be a risk that Charlton would serve the Corporate entity in terms of their structure of football clubs and lose its identity.
In the thread above, it was also described about Red Bull getting round the 51% ownership rule to the detriment of other German clubs. That rule is a decent rule which give supporters some says with more reasonable ticketing prices and some say in the clubs running. Is it good to ignore what Red Bull are trying to do ?
Having experienced Duchatelet & Meire, who did not put the needs of the club first, Is it good for Charlton to end up in a similar position with Red Bull, ?
This all getting to specific about Red Bull in any case as you like they say, they don't appear to be in the running, so it is pointless getting into any further big discussion about the merits of a Red Bull ownership.
The notes were just crap jokes about how literal Charlton Life can be sometimes whilst ignoring the main point made. The serial killer things was just drawing out your point about that it does matter how success is achieved and should Charlton sell its soul for success at any costs.
Still don’t get it. Success at any cost ????? Where have I or for that matter anyone else suggested that. What I have said is that as far as I’m concerned a name change to RB Charlton and / or The RB Valley is a price I would be prepared to pay. I fully understand that might be a step too far for some fans but if you think that’s success at any cost then we are poles apart.
My point is that it would likely be more than just a Stadium name change re: Red Bull in the unlikely event they bought the club.
If we can forget about Red Bull for one moment. I am making a general point about ownership & success.
And I still don’t get it.
If Charlton had owners who could fund a push to the Premiership it is better to have good owners, who make their money by positive means than other owners, who may have made their money by less positive means.
You mean as opposed to serial killers and fascists or even worse fizzy drink manufacturers.
I am not a big fan of Red Bull drink, which is an unhealthy overly sugary & caffeinated drink. The undermining of the German model of ownership at Leipzig is not a good thing as the 51% ownership appears to be pretty good. The 51% rule Duchatelet found obstructive at the German club owns for eg.
A club owned by Red Bull appears to primarily a marketing tool subordinated to the needs of the main brand. Not sure whether that is what Charlton needs after Jimenez / Slater & Duchatelet / Meire.
Remind me of Red Bull Leipzig’s progress under Red Bull ownership
So if Serial killers are us *(see note) had the financial clout to get Charlton to the Premiership & had supported a club in a foreign league to rise a few divisions then you would be ok with that @ShootersHillGuru ? I know that is a bit of a crass response but it matches your answer.
(NB Not claiming Red Bull are serial killers).
Heavily sugared food & drinks have contributed to a series increase to levels of obesity & diabetes. Add in Red Bull Network & likely be Red Bull Uber alles *Note 2 & their undermining of a decent ownership structure. Don’t think that it would be a good fit.
(NB 2 Not claiming Red Bull are Fascists)
There will always be a consideration in terms of owners & how that fits in with the club values & history. After Meire & Duchatelet’s disrespect of Charlton’s history, it would be excellent if Charlton had some owners who respected that. It is not an unreasonable dream to think that success can be achieved without ditching all principle.
Sorry if I’m missing something here in your post but I really don’t get where you are coming from. As far as I’m aware Red Bull are a legitimate and lawful business. Are you suggesting that because they manufacture a sweet fizzy drink that they don’t fit the profile of suitable owners for CAFC ?
Pretty much every manufacturer of anything leaves a negative footprint in some way or another. Certainly if the new owners were connected to certain industries there might be cause to question but at this point I’m drawing the line at fizzy drinks.
As for undermining history, well I suppose that’s an argument and situation that some might find issue with should it occur.
Of course it’s only my personal opinion but I’d be grudgingly ok with RB Charlton Athletic and certainly wouldn’t bat an eyelid at The Red Bull Valley.
What on Earth you are going on about serial killers and fascists for I have no idea. I also find it hard to see your point about my “crass answer”
You kind of missed the point. It is not just about the fact that Red Bull sell an unhealthy sugary drink. They are a big corporate company & it would be more than just sponsorship of the stadium. There would be a risk that Charlton would serve the Corporate entity in terms of their structure of football clubs and lose its identity.
In the thread above, it was also described about Red Bull getting round the 51% ownership rule to the detriment of other German clubs. That rule is a decent rule which give supporters some says with more reasonable ticketing prices and some say in the clubs running. Is it good to ignore what Red Bull are trying to do ?
Having experienced Duchatelet & Meire, who did not put the needs of the club first, Is it good for Charlton to end up in a similar position with Red Bull, ?
This all getting to specific about Red Bull in any case as you like they say, they don't appear to be in the running, so it is pointless getting into any further big discussion about the merits of a Red Bull ownership.
The notes were just crap jokes about how literal Charlton Life can be sometimes whilst ignoring the main point made. The serial killer things was just drawing out your point about that it does matter how success is achieved and should Charlton sell its soul for success at any costs.
Still don’t get it. Success at any cost ????? Where have I or for that matter anyone else suggested that. What I have said is that as far as I’m concerned a name change to RB Charlton and / or The RB Valley is a price I would be prepared to pay. I fully understand that might be a step too far for some fans but if you think that’s success at any cost then we are poles apart.
My point is that it would likely be more than just a Stadium name change re: Red Bull in the unlikely event they bought the club.
If we can forget about Red Bull for one moment. I am making a general point about ownership & success.
And I still don’t get it.
If Charlton had owners who could fund a push to the Premiership it is better to have good owners, who make their money by positive means than other owners, who may have made their money by less positive means.
Oh the innocence. If only my farts smelt like rosewater drizzled over freshly baked brioche buns...
It is good to dream about having decent owners (not about rosewater, brioche bun smelling farts).
I am not a big fan of Red Bull drink, which is an unhealthy overly sugary & caffeinated drink. The undermining of the German model of ownership at Leipzig is not a good thing as the 51% ownership appears to be pretty good. The 51% rule Duchatelet found obstructive at the German club owns for eg.
A club owned by Red Bull appears to primarily a marketing tool subordinated to the needs of the main brand. Not sure whether that is what Charlton needs after Jimenez / Slater & Duchatelet / Meire.
Remind me of Red Bull Leipzig’s progress under Red Bull ownership
So if Serial killers are us *(see note) had the financial clout to get Charlton to the Premiership & had supported a club in a foreign league to rise a few divisions then you would be ok with that @ShootersHillGuru ? I know that is a bit of a crass response but it matches your answer.
(NB Not claiming Red Bull are serial killers).
Heavily sugared food & drinks have contributed to a series increase to levels of obesity & diabetes. Add in Red Bull Network & likely be Red Bull Uber alles *Note 2 & their undermining of a decent ownership structure. Don’t think that it would be a good fit.
(NB 2 Not claiming Red Bull are Fascists)
There will always be a consideration in terms of owners & how that fits in with the club values & history. After Meire & Duchatelet’s disrespect of Charlton’s history, it would be excellent if Charlton had some owners who respected that. It is not an unreasonable dream to think that success can be achieved without ditching all principle.
Sorry if I’m missing something here in your post but I really don’t get where you are coming from. As far as I’m aware Red Bull are a legitimate and lawful business. Are you suggesting that because they manufacture a sweet fizzy drink that they don’t fit the profile of suitable owners for CAFC ?
Pretty much every manufacturer of anything leaves a negative footprint in some way or another. Certainly if the new owners were connected to certain industries there might be cause to question but at this point I’m drawing the line at fizzy drinks.
As for undermining history, well I suppose that’s an argument and situation that some might find issue with should it occur.
Of course it’s only my personal opinion but I’d be grudgingly ok with RB Charlton Athletic and certainly wouldn’t bat an eyelid at The Red Bull Valley.
What on Earth you are going on about serial killers and fascists for I have no idea. I also find it hard to see your point about my “crass answer”
You kind of missed the point. It is not just about the fact that Red Bull sell an unhealthy sugary drink. They are a big corporate company & it would be more than just sponsorship of the stadium. There would be a risk that Charlton would serve the Corporate entity in terms of their structure of football clubs and lose its identity.
In the thread above, it was also described about Red Bull getting round the 51% ownership rule to the detriment of other German clubs. That rule is a decent rule which give supporters some says with more reasonable ticketing prices and some say in the clubs running. Is it good to ignore what Red Bull are trying to do ?
Having experienced Duchatelet & Meire, who did not put the needs of the club first, Is it good for Charlton to end up in a similar position with Red Bull, ?
This all getting to specific about Red Bull in any case as you like they say, they don't appear to be in the running, so it is pointless getting into any further big discussion about the merits of a Red Bull ownership.
The notes were just crap jokes about how literal Charlton Life can be sometimes whilst ignoring the main point made. The serial killer things was just drawing out your point about that it does matter how success is achieved and should Charlton sell its soul for success at any costs.
Still don’t get it. Success at any cost ????? Where have I or for that matter anyone else suggested that. What I have said is that as far as I’m concerned a name change to RB Charlton and / or The RB Valley is a price I would be prepared to pay. I fully understand that might be a step too far for some fans but if you think that’s success at any cost then we are poles apart.
My point is that it would likely be more than just a Stadium name change re: Red Bull in the unlikely event they bought the club.
If we can forget about Red Bull for one moment. I am making a general point about ownership & success.
And I still don’t get it.
If Charlton had owners who could fund a push to the Premiership it is better to have good owners, who make their money by positive means than other owners, who may have made their money by less positive means.
You mean as opposed to serial killers and fascists or even worse fizzy drink manufacturers.
It is not just about the crappy sugary unhealthy product it is the potential way they would run the club (like I have explained 2 to 3 times - no, I am not worked up about naming the stadium). This discussion is hard work. I do withdraw the crass comment, apologies and all that @ShootersHillGuru. Will have to disagree about Red Bull. Things to do. I will have to leave you to it. Glad Charlton won today & hoping that the next ownership is better than the last.
I would only go with Red Bull or a similar financially backed owner because it is now obvious (imo) that for Charlton Athletic it's boom or bust. We are currently saddled with (friendly) debt and have costs (stadium) which require us to be in the premier league to break even. Any new owner either has to have deep pockets and a premier league plan or we will simply be heading from one financial mess to another.
The best bit about today was NLA, was a guest of Oldham board, he was in the boardroom around people who tried to get him nicked, bet that was hard for them to swallow.
KR is clearly pissed off......RD has done for him as well.....all the time the Belgium hangs on we are going nowhere other than in a downwards direction!! KR is screaming (my word) at someone to take us over and give him and the team a chance to move forward, either with or without him (KR). So RD for gods sake sell the club.....NOW!
I’d take Red Bull any day, look at what they’ve done with Leipzig, from nowhere to Bundesliga contenders. Yes we would play at the RB Valley, and yes they would appear on our shirts, but they couldn’t change the name as Hull City’s owners found out. Better them than an Australian consortium cobbled together or a RM consortium. We need someone with proven experience in running sports teams and I don’t see many better.
The best bit about today was NLA, was a guest of Oldham board, he was in the boardroom around people who tried to get him nicked, bet that was hard for them to swallow.
I would also very much embrace a Red Bull ownership.
The way football is evolving brands are pretty much taking over football clubs anyway. We have moved on from local businessman owners to millionaires onto billionaire owners and I believe the next step will be brand ownership. In fact it can be argued it's already happening.
Nike pretty much signed Neymar for PSG, Man City can get round FFP with money from Etihad. Even Stoke have Bet365 with there ownership - not that I am saying Stoke have the financial muscle of PSG, Man City etc but when you think Stoke you think Bet365 or Arsenal - Emirates etc.
At some point in the future I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all Premier League teams are owned / backed by huge global brands who ultimately use the clubs as a foothold into the market and if one day it means people will think Charlton - Red Bull i'd take that all day long. I believe brand ownership is where football is heading and if we've got a chance to jump on it early it can only be for the good of the club IMO.
The best bit about today was NLA, was a guest of Oldham board, he was in the boardroom around people who tried to get him nicked, bet that was hard for them to swallow.
The best bit about today was NLA, was a guest of Oldham board, he was in the boardroom around people who tried to get him nicked, bet that was hard for them to swallow.
8) was a very pleasant afternoon
I thought you would be Did he make you a decent brew?
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They will keep Robinson and so we continue.
I know what I'd prefer
In the thread above, it was also described about Red Bull getting round the 51% ownership rule to the detriment of other German clubs. That rule is a decent rule which give supporters some says with more reasonable ticketing prices and some say in the clubs running. Is it good to ignore what Red Bull are trying to do ?
Having experienced Duchatelet & Meire, who did not put the needs of the club first, Is it good for Charlton to end up in a similar position with Red Bull, ?
This all getting to specific about Red Bull in any case as you like they say, they don't appear to be in the running, so it is pointless getting into any further big discussion about the merits of a Red Bull ownership.
The notes were just crap jokes about how literal Charlton Life can be sometimes whilst ignoring the main point made. The serial killer things was just drawing out your point about that it does matter how success is achieved and should Charlton sell its soul for success at any costs.
Badge change = no
Shirt colour change = no
Stadium change = no (Red Bull Valley or something similar would be fine)
Anything else is ok with me...
Don't think Red Bull are a serious consideration though.
If we can forget about Red Bull for one moment. I am making a general point about ownership & success.
Doh!
Not even a surprise face in the Directors Box?
Anything?
The way football is evolving brands are pretty much taking over football clubs anyway. We have moved on from local businessman owners to millionaires onto billionaire owners and I believe the next step will be brand ownership. In fact it can be argued it's already happening.
Nike pretty much signed Neymar for PSG, Man City can get round FFP with money from Etihad. Even Stoke have Bet365 with there ownership - not that I am saying Stoke have the financial muscle of PSG, Man City etc but when you think Stoke you think Bet365 or Arsenal - Emirates etc.
At some point in the future I honestly wouldn't be surprised if all Premier League teams are owned / backed by huge global brands who ultimately use the clubs as a foothold into the market and if one day it means people will think Charlton - Red Bull i'd take that all day long. I believe brand ownership is where football is heading and if we've got a chance to jump on it early it can only be for the good of the club IMO.