It’ll be done when every ITK person has been made to look stupid and has been sent abuse by sections of the fanbase. Roland doesn’t want any of them to be right.
Given that Duchatelet knows absolutely nothing about football at all, I do wonder if the daft old miser has got it at the back of his mind that Bowyer might even achieve a promotion to the Premier not taking into consideration that the budget he’s given the club will barely provide a competitive Championship squad let alone one capable of a promotion push. Think he might be looking to see how the team is doing before committing to sell. If that’s remotely true then January would be the earliest.
He's selling.
If nothing else comes from this thread of almost 150 pages, at least we can take away this one fact: he's selling.
He may not be selling today, or this week, or this month. But, he's selling.
We all want to know who the new owners are, what the price will be, how much money they've got, what their plans are, who we might sign and what is going to happen to The Valley. All of these remain firmly up in the air. But there's one, cast-iron fact we know: he's selling.
He won't want to lose more money. Despite how some people present the opportunities to offset losses against tax, he doesn't want to lose more money. No-one does. It's a stain on his business record, it's a loss to his prestige, it's a drag on his resources and it's a diminution of his - and his family's - wealth. So, either sooner or later, there is no doubt, whatsoever: he's selling.
I want to know when and I want to know what's next. But, I can wait. And, if he's reading this, I have one message for him - I can wait longer than you, Roland. Not least because, unlike you, Roland, I have nothing to lose.
And that's why this thread - despite being inconclusive on a number of issues so far - is so heartening, uplifting and positive. Because, sooner or later, there's no doubt about it now: he's selling.
Are you as certain as you were almost 1800 pages and almost two years ago that he is selling Chizz? And as it hasn't been "sooner", could you tell us when "later" is likely to be?
I'll be 60 in a few weeks and it would be absolutely fantastic if you could ally my fears that we won't have a new owner before I do "shuffle off this mortal coil"
He's selling.
If nothing else comes from this thread of almost 150 pages, at least we can take away this one fact: he's selling.
He may not be selling today, or this week, or this month. But, he's selling.
We all want to know who the new owners are, what the price will be, how much money they've got, what their plans are, who we might sign and what is going to happen to The Valley. All of these remain firmly up in the air. But there's one, cast-iron fact we know: he's selling.
He won't want to lose more money. Despite how some people present the opportunities to offset losses against tax, he doesn't want to lose more money. No-one does. It's a stain on his business record, it's a loss to his prestige, it's a drag on his resources and it's a diminution of his - and his family's - wealth. So, either sooner or later, there is no doubt, whatsoever: he's selling.
I want to know when and I want to know what's next. But, I can wait. And, if he's reading this, I have one message for him - I can wait longer than you, Roland. Not least because, unlike you, Roland, I have nothing to lose.
And that's why this thread - despite being inconclusive on a number of issues so far - is so heartening, uplifting and positive. Because, sooner or later, there's no doubt about it now: he's selling.
Are you as certain as you were almost 1800 pages and almost two years ago that he is selling Chizz? And as it hasn't been "sooner", could you tell us when "later" is likely to be?
I'll be 60 in a few weeks and it would be absolutely fantastic if you could ally my fears that we won't have a new owner before I do "shuffle off this mortal coil"
I can ally your fears. But I don't think that's what you want, is it?
I’m still hearing the old nutter want to sell before the season starts. God knows how he’ll do that. Historic debts still an issue. It’s not happening. Is it?
I’m still hearing the old nutter want to sell before the season starts. God knows how he’ll do that. Historic debts still an issue. It’s not happening. Is it?
Do we have any more clarity on what these historic debts are?
I’m still hearing the old nutter want to sell before the season starts. God knows how he’ll do that. Historic debts still an issue. It’s not happening. Is it?
Do we have any more clarity on what these historic debts are?
The ex-directors loans and/or something else?
Didn't something come out of the Jimenez Ashley trial?
Wasn't there something that neither Jimenez or Slater Technically owned CAFC.
Didn't you mention something about this @Airman Brown when the case was first in the news. A lot of it went over my head but that but stuck out.
So in respect of the interested party I know of, I am clinging to one small piece of positive news. The intermediary, the Charlton fan who has found the buyer, has indeed been in London today. That said I can't be sure it was because the previous mentioned meeting has taken place, but I would think it more likely than not; and this is an improvement on what I was led to believe on Monday. I would hope to hear from him, directly or via his buddy who lurks on here , either way.
So in respect of the interested party I know of, I am clinging to one small piece of positive news. The intermediary, the Charlton fan who has found the buyer, has indeed been in London today. That said I can't be sure it was because the previous mentioned meeting has taken place, but I would think it more likely than not; and this is an improvement on what I was led to believe on Monday. I would hope to hear from him, directly or via his buddy who lurks on here , either way.
I’m still hearing the old nutter want to sell before the season starts. God knows how he’ll do that. Historic debts still an issue. It’s not happening. Is it?
Does “historic debts” really just mean he wants whatever price for the club with more money left on as debt to him?
Someone might agree a price but they’re not going to pay £30m+ to buy the club while owing saying another £20m on top of that.
'Terse' has been a good word to introduce into this thread. We need a good vocabulary based on something like the Scoville Scale to describe encounters any ITK people have.
I’m still hearing the old nutter want to sell before the season starts. God knows how he’ll do that. Historic debts still an issue. It’s not happening. Is it?
Do we have any more clarity on what these historic debts are?
The ex-directors loans and/or something else?
Didn't something come out of the Jimenez Ashley trial?
Wasn't there something that neither Jimenez or Slater Technically owned CAFC.
Didn't you mention something about this @Airman Brown when the case was first in the news. A lot of it went over my head but that but stuck out.
Could that be the 'historic debt' ??
Prior to 2014 the club was owned through a network of family trusts based in the BVI, apart from 10 per cent that was owned by Murray. The judge in the Jimenez-Khakshouri case found that neither Jimenez nor Cash owned or controlled the club, on which basis he ruled that Khakshouri had been misled into lending them money around a future payout for moving it to the peninsula. He wasn't required to rule on Slater, who along with Jimenez it was claimed by the official website (and hence the Football League) substantially owned the club.
Grim news, I'm afraid. The buyer has now terminated discussions. My contact was not in the meeting but expects to get a fuller debrief on Monday. Brief feedback is that they feel they have been messed around and that he is not serious about doing a deal - confirming the worst fears on here. Hopefully more detail on Monday, including whether their decision is final, my contact believes possibly not, but certainly nothing will change in time for this season
@Rudders22 yes I know who this buyer is, and have done a bit of background on him, all of which was positive, especially his existing track record owning a football club, although he is not in the super-rich league. No, he has not been mentioned at all.
Like everyone else I am sure, i am massively pissed off, and ready to support any well thought out action to persuade him that hanging on to us comes with a price, and that price, IMO is trashing of his reputation in his own backyard.
Grim news, I'm afraid. The buyer has now terminated discussions. My contact was not in the meeting but expects to get a fuller debrief on Monday. Brief feedback is that they feel they have been messed around and that he is not serious about doing a deal - confirming the worst fears on here. Hopefully more detail on Monday, including whether their decision is final, my contact believes possibly not, but certainly nothing will change in time for this season
@Rudders22 yes I know who this buyer is, and have done a bit of background on him, all of which was positive, especially his existing track record owning a football club, although he is not in the super-rich league. No, he has not been mentioned at all.
Like everyone else I am sure, i am massively pissed off, and ready to support any well thought out action to persuade him that hanging on to us comes with a price, and that price, IMO is trashing of his reputation in his own backyard.
Great can’t wait for another 1000 pages of this thread, Henry Irving still with no promote and happy valley remarkably predicting the future. Let the good times roll
Grim news, I'm afraid. The buyer has now terminated discussions. My contact was not in the meeting but expects to get a fuller debrief on Monday. Brief feedback is that they feel they have been messed around and that he is not serious about doing a deal - confirming the worst fears on here. Hopefully more detail on Monday, including whether their decision is final, my contact believes possibly not, but certainly nothing will change in time for this season
@Rudders22 yes I know who this buyer is, and have done a bit of background on him, all of which was positive, especially his existing track record owning a football club, although he is not in the super-rich league. No, he has not been mentioned at all.
Like everyone else I am sure, i am massively pissed off, and ready to support any well thought out action to persuade him that hanging on to us comes with a price, and that price, IMO is trashing of his reputation in his own backyard.
Thanks for sharing Prague, even if it is bad news at least it makes things a little clearer.
Its yet more proof that we have no idea what goes on in Roland's head. He's apparently desperate to sell yet appears to be doing all he can to dissuade any potential buyers.
Grim news, I'm afraid. The buyer has now terminated discussions. My contact was not in the meeting but expects to get a fuller debrief on Monday. Brief feedback is that they feel they have been messed around and that he is not serious about doing a deal - confirming the worst fears on here. Hopefully more detail on Monday, including whether their decision is final, my contact believes possibly not, but certainly nothing will change in time for this season
@Rudders22 yes I know who this buyer is, and have done a bit of background on him, all of which was positive, especially his existing track record owning a football club, although he is not in the super-rich league. No, he has not been mentioned at all.
Like everyone else I am sure, i am massively pissed off, and ready to support any well thought out action to persuade him that hanging on to us comes with a price, and that price, IMO is trashing of his reputation in his own backyard.
Not good news, but if there is a positive, it is that as more walk away it could bring a glimmer of reality it that dense cranium of his.
Totally agree that Belgium is the way to move things along.
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Oh, thought you meant Henners ....
I'll be 60 in a few weeks and it would be absolutely fantastic if you could ally my fears that we won't have a new owner before I do "shuffle off this mortal coil"
The ex-directors loans and/or something else?
Put the champagne on Ice
Someone might agree a price but they’re not going to pay £30m+ to buy the club while owing saying another £20m on top of that.
We need a good vocabulary based on something like the Scoville Scale to describe encounters any ITK people have.
@Rudders22 yes I know who this buyer is, and have done a bit of background on him, all of which was positive, especially his existing track record owning a football club, although he is not in the super-rich league. No, he has not been mentioned at all.
Like everyone else I am sure, i am massively pissed off, and ready to support any well thought out action to persuade him that hanging on to us comes with a price, and that price, IMO is trashing of his reputation in his own backyard.
Its yet more proof that we have no idea what goes on in Roland's head. He's apparently desperate to sell yet appears to be doing all he can to dissuade any potential buyers.
Just utterly depressing.
Totally agree that Belgium is the way to move things along.