That if Duchebag invested sufficient money to get us to the Premier League and he’s clearly got it, wouldn’t he then be in a stronger position to get a better return for the money he’d invested and all ready spent?
Isn’t that what he is now doing ? He'd seen what LB could do if allowed to bring in players he and Gallen had identified and clearly wanted LB to stay in in the job even if he didn’t want to pay as much; and LB seems to quietly bringing in players that look like we could be aiming for the playoffs again..
That if Duchebag invested sufficient money to get us to the Premier League and he’s clearly got it, wouldn’t he then be in a stronger position to get a better return for the money he’d invested and all ready spent?
Isn’t that what he is now doing ? He'd seen what LB could do if allowed to bring in players he and Gallen had identified and clearly wanted LB to stay in in the job even if he didn’t want to pay as much; and LB seems to quietly bringing in players that look like we could be aiming for the playoffs again..
Surely allowing Aribo and Bauer to leave because of wages he’s breaking up the squad that Bowyer is trying to build. That is hardly supportive of Bowyer as far as letting him get the the players he wants, unless you believe Bowyer didn’t want to keep them?
That if Duchebag invested sufficient money to get us to the Premier League and he’s clearly got it, wouldn’t he then be in a stronger position to get a better return for the money he’d invested and all ready spent?
Isn’t that what he is now doing ? He'd seen what LB could do if allowed to bring in players he and Gallen had identified and clearly wanted LB to stay in in the job even if he didn’t want to pay as much; and LB seems to quietly bringing in players that look like we could be aiming for the playoffs again..
Yeah I agree with you. By allowing Bauer to leave, giving us the smallest budget in the league, signing Bowyer up at the 11th hour and ensuring we are reliant on late loan signings, Roland is giving us all the tools for another shot at promotion...
That if Duchebag invested sufficient money to get us to the Premier League and he’s clearly got it, wouldn’t he then be in a stronger position to get a better return for the money he’d invested and all ready spent?
Isn’t that what he is now doing ? He'd seen what LB could do if allowed to bring in players he and Gallen had identified and clearly wanted LB to stay in in the job even if he didn’t want to pay as much; and LB seems to quietly bringing in players that look like we could be aiming for the playoffs again..
I'd so love to know if you really mean what you post. It's not possible to be that daft is it ?
That if Duchebag invested sufficient money to get us to the Premier League and he’s clearly got it, wouldn’t he then be in a stronger position to get a better return for the money he’d invested and all ready spent?
Logically yes ... but he’s far from logical
Is it logical? Sounds like a gambler chasing his losses to me. Replying to some posts after yours, as well, but how much is enough?
Look at the Villa and Derby squads that were named for the play off final. How many of our current players would get on the bench, hand on heart?
If we signed 5 players for an average of £7 million each, 5 players on frees plus 5 loans. All on an average of £20k a week. That's a £50 million pound investment, for this season. Would it keep us up? Probably. Would it get us promoted? Maybe but would you risk £50 million on it? If you don't go up do you put another £50 in or cut your losses? If he did that and we didn't go up the value of the club wouldn't increase by £50 million so that money is gone for ever.
That if Duchebag invested sufficient money to get us to the Premier League and he’s clearly got it, wouldn’t he then be in a stronger position to get a better return for the money he’d invested and all ready spent?
Isn’t that what he is now doing ? He'd seen what LB could do if allowed to bring in players he and Gallen had identified and clearly wanted LB to stay in in the job even if he didn’t want to pay as much; and LB seems to quietly bringing in players that look like we could be aiming for the playoffs again..
I'd so love to know if you really mean what you post. It's not possible to be that daft is it ?
It’s interesting to hear what bowyer said in his 20 min interview on valley pass about our owner. Don’t get me wrong, I want him gone as his tenure has been shocking, but if Bowyer is happy then that’s the main thing. Bowyer does seem to be suggesting that there’s more than a relegation battle on his mind. I get the impression he’s not ruling out a shot at the playoffs. I could have listened to Bowyer for an hour, not just 20mins
That if Duchebag invested sufficient money to get us to the Premier League and he’s clearly got it, wouldn’t he then be in a stronger position to get a better return for the money he’d invested and all ready spent?
Isn’t that what he is now doing ? He'd seen what LB could do if allowed to bring in players he and Gallen had identified and clearly wanted LB to stay in in the job even if he didn’t want to pay as much; and LB seems to quietly bringing in players that look like we could be aiming for the playoffs again..
I'd so love to know if you really mean what you post. It's not possible to be that daft is it ?
It’s interesting to hear what bowyer said in his 20 min interview on valley pass about our owner. Don’t get me wrong, I want him gone as his tenure has been shocking, but if Bowyer is happy then that’s the main thing. Bowyer does seem to be suggesting that there’s more than a relegation battle on his mind. I get the impression he’s not ruling out a shot at the playoffs. I could have listened to Bowyer for an hour, not just 20mins
No. The "main thing" is that the man who is destroying every part of this football club needs to sell.
A message to Meddler. I wish to return to The Valley and support the club that has been a passion of mine for decades. If you stay, I shall stay away. Some have said that my boycott is worthless. It is self-imposed, but not worthless; it is my response to the damage done to CAFC and a personal statement that I reject the malign interference. Meanwhile, I have plenty of other things to do. Go, please, and may it be soon.
I wonder if that’s the Brandon I know that goes to quite a few away games and is a good pal of Mark B who helps out with the Ex Players Association? Very nice fella, if that’s who you’re referring to.
I wonder if that’s the Brandon I know that goes to quite a few away games and is a good pal of Mark B who helps out with the Ex Players Association? Very nice fella, if that’s who you’re referring to.
Jeepers. That salary is a bit of a shocker. My old company were bringing in graduates straight from uni at £35K+. For a London based role and presumably looking for someone with a bit more experience is this low, or am I out of whack?
Jeepers. That salary is a bit of a shocker. My old company were bringing in graduates straight from uni at £35K+. For a London based role and presumably looking for someone with a bit more experience is this low, or am I out of whack?
I make you right. For people who can do all that is asked of them in that advert, they'll get a lot more elsewhere.
Jeepers. That salary is a bit of a shocker. My old company were bringing in graduates straight from uni at £35K+. For a London based role and presumably looking for someone with a bit more experience is this low, or am I out of whack?
No - you're spot on. 20k is an insult but hardly surprising in the current climate.
I wonder if that’s the Brandon I know that goes to quite a few away games and is a good pal of Mark B who helps out with the Ex Players Association? Very nice fella, if that’s who you’re referring to.
Brandon is the temp working in the comms team.
Been covering since George left.
Ah right......and for good measure I have just spoken to Mark and he tells me his pals name is Brendan not Brandon......Doh!
Roland is the problem, as Dalman and every other bid is finding.
It's not "Aussie bashing", and what I find astonishing is people not wanting to discuss the pros end cons of any potential new owner, but just being content on the present one going. Especialy after the last two..
We can discuss pros and cons of potential owners for eternity but we as fans have no say in who buys the club and only limited say in how a club is run. Bring on the Bundesliga model where the clubs members still hold a majority of voting rights.
As an occasional reader on this forum, the outsider impression is there's a contingent who consistently bash the Aussie bid with sweeping statements based on no evidence what so ever, or taking the word of Roland and his lackies as gospel.
Is there?
Er. yeah.
Sorry mate, completely missed them. I know there was someone post a oneliner on this thread a couple of days ago about RD now going in the right direction 're. Bowyer and a couple of singing, or something, but other than that I get the feeling that the dislike and distrust in RD and everyone associated with him was pretty much 100%
Sorry mate, you've must've misread what I wrote. I said there's a contingent who believe the spin Roland and lackies say is true, especially when it suits their unfounded argument. I said nothing about anyone believing RD is going in right direction.
Sorry mate, I know what you meant, but my point was that the only thing I've seen on here regarding anything remotely to do with painting RD in a good light, whether it's believing what him or his lackies say, or commenting on them taking the club in the right direction etc etc, was the post I mentioned from a couple of days ago, and I definitely don't think there's a contingent of people who believe them. After every statement, radio interview, or fan's forum, they seem to be getting pelters from all angles and picked apart within hours.
Blimey, still mis-reading my post. Well I tried.
Here's one example. The Cloob has said the Aussie's just need to submit paperwork with the EFL. Some people believe that, some don't (some believe the EFL, some don't).
I don't trust what this regime says.
I don't think I misread it at all. You said the Aussie bashing is astonishing - I said that, in my opinion, people are just asking question and perfectly in their right to do do.
Then you said that there's a contingent on here who still believe the spin that RD and his lackies come out with and I said that I don't believe there is.
We will have to agree to disagree. I saw a few people quote the papers with the EFL line just a few pages ago. Perhaps you didn't see them.
In what context?
The context where it was used to have a go at the Aussies.
It’s the weekend mate, don’t fret about it.
We agree to disagree, let it go.
Yeah, you're right mate. Give that one to me then.
What goes down in South Lincolnshire on a weekend then?
Er, you mean to me, Obviously more going on than sitting in mis-reading other people’s posts.
"It’s the weekend mate, don’t fret about it."
Have you got a snorkel then, or do you use a bit of fen reed like James Pond?
Aw bless you, got to make fun of where people live.
Very mature!
You started with the sarcasm tbh, after I asked a simple question, but nothing wrong with a bit of banter is there?
Ah, it’s always the only banter excuse. Anyway bringing it back to the takeover for second, we can discuss the pros and cons of each bidder for as much as we like but we can’t stop anyone from buying the club because we don’t like the sound of their future plans/finance model. It’s frustrating but our governing body (EFL) only require that owners are not a criminal and have 2 years worth of cash. It shouldn’t be like this but the fans are the last people to get any say.
More worrying is that RD isn’t really in a hurry to sell. He’s so wealthy it’s of no consequence if he owns us or not. He’s gone beyond just wealth accumulation and because of his ego has tried to influence the world around him. First with politics in Belgium and secondly with football. Both abject failures and it looks like he’s hurting from his experiences, bitterly defending his flawed thinking blaming everyone else. Charlton are stuck in the middle of his egotistical driven logic. I’m so sick of RD spouting spiteful nonsense on the OS whenever LB and the team produce success against the odds. I’d consider selling to anyone (not that we’ve got any say) if it got rid of that toxic element to following Charlton. If a party took over that didn’t have the funds to finance the club beyond two years then we’d be sold again. This time the owners wouldn’t have the luxury of waiting for a over inflated price to be agreed and if we went into admin we’d end up in league 1 where RD led us to anyway.
Jeepers. That salary is a bit of a shocker. My old company were bringing in graduates straight from uni at £35K+. For a London based role and presumably looking for someone with a bit more experience is this low, or am I out of whack?
No - you're spot on. 20k is an insult but hardly surprising in the current climate.
If it was outside London you might have interest, balancing life, love of the job and money. Inside London you would have to live with your parents or partner earning good money to even think about it.
That if Duchebag invested sufficient money to get us to the Premier League and he’s clearly got it, wouldn’t he then be in a stronger position to get a better return for the money he’d invested and all ready spent?
Let's see... we had turnover of about £7M last year. We lost about £10M in operating losses, excluding sales of players, which we would not be able to do if the goal is to spend to get promoted to the PL. We are limited to an average loss, which includes amortized transfer payments, of £13M per season (already at £10M) and according to Airman, we will make an extra £6M this year in the Championship. Add it all together and we have MAX extra money to spend of £9M annually to stay within FFP limits. So if we shoot our wad, spend all of that this season, our total wage bill would close to double from £10M to £19M.
£19M would have ranked in the bottom 25% of wage bills of the Championship last year and the year before. And that is with us maxing out and unable to spend a single pound more on players... permanently. Unless we find new ways to raise revenue. More expensive season tickets and attendances of 22,000 per season would do the trick. So would better sponsorships. But give the median wage bill in The Championship is £30M, I don't see how we can close that gap very easily. Teams with higher wage bills tend to get promoted and those with lower wage bills tend to get relegated. It will be very hard for us to ever have an even average wage bill in this division, especially with 1/3 of all teams in it now getting parachute payments from the PL.
Roland can't just "spend money" to get us to the PL due to FFP rule changes. Brighton lost £250M to get there under their owner. Leicester lost £200M. Wolves lost £75M in 24 months. Bournemouth lost £100M+. Watford £150M+. At least 8 clubs will breech FFP rules by the next accounts in failed attempts to do so. Making the PL is a lot harder than it use to be. The rules don't allow owners to "go for it" the way they use to just five seasons ago. And it is likely that even if Roland spent illegally £100-200M over 3-4 seasons to get us there (no guarantee), the value of the club in the PL (£200-250M) would not likely provide him a break-even on that investment if you add it to the losses he already has on the books.
I do NOT want Roland to "go for it." I think it would be a disaster for CAFC, long term. I just want him to be willing to spend the new £6M he will get THIS season on wages and transfers and paying our current staff properly (including back room staff), rather than pocketing it. If he paid Aribo the £1M per year he is worth to keep him, paid Bauer the £350k he is worth to keep him, gave £3M to Bowyer to get Cullen in plus another couple role players, I would be very, very satisfied. Just spend what he is being given! That's good enough for me.
Honestly, I am not sure I even WANT to make the PL. Winning 50% of our matches in The Championship and being in the upper-half of the table seems like a good deal to me compared to being Palace or other relegation fodder in the PL with their 15-30% win rates year after year after year.
Jeepers. That salary is a bit of a shocker. My old company were bringing in graduates straight from uni at £35K+. For a London based role and presumably looking for someone with a bit more experience is this low, or am I out of whack?
No - you're spot on. 20k is an insult but hardly surprising in the current climate.
That if Duchebag invested sufficient money to get us to the Premier League and he’s clearly got it, wouldn’t he then be in a stronger position to get a better return for the money he’d invested and all ready spent?
Let's see... we had turnover of about £7M last year. We lost about £10M in operating losses, excluding sales of players, which we would not be able to do if the goal is to spend to get promoted to the PL. We are limited to an average loss, which includes amortized transfer payments, of £13M per season (already at £10M) and according to Airman, we will make an extra £6M this year in the Championship. Add it all together and we have MAX extra money to spend of £9M annually to stay within FFP limits. So if we shoot our wad, spend all of that this season, our total wage bill would close to double from £10M to £19M.
£19M would have ranked in the bottom 25% of wage bills of the Championship last year and the year before. And that is with us maxing out and unable to spend a single pound more on players... permanently. Unless we find new ways to raise revenue. More expensive season tickets and attendances of 22,000 per season would do the trick. So would better sponsorships. But give the median wage bill in The Championship is £30M, I don't see how we can close that gap very easily. Teams with higher wage bills tend to get promoted and those with lower wage bills tend to get relegated. It will be very hard for us to ever have an even average wage bill in this division, especially with 1/3 of all teams in it now getting parachute payments from the PL.
Roland can't just "spend money" to get us to the PL due to FFP rule changes. Brighton lost £250M to get there under their owner. Leicester lost £200M. Wolves lost £75M in 24 months. Bournemouth lost £100M+. Watford £150M+. At least 8 clubs will breech FFP rules by the next accounts in failed attempts to do so. Making the PL is a lot harder than it use to be. The rules don't allow owners to "go for it" the way they use to just five seasons ago. And it is likely that even if Roland spent illegally £100-200M over 3-4 seasons to get us there (no guarantee), the value of the club in the PL (£200-250M) would not likely provide him a break-even on that investment if you add it to the losses he already has on the books.
I do NOT want Roland to "go for it." I think it would be a disaster for CAFC, long term. I just want him to be willing to spend the new £6M he will get THIS season on wages and transfers and paying our current staff properly (including back room staff), rather than pocketing it. If he paid Aribo the £1M per year he is worth to keep him, paid Bauer the £350k he is worth to keep him, gave £3M to Bowyer to get Cullen in plus another couple role players, I would be very, very satisfied. Just spend what he is being given! That's good enough for me.
Honestly, I am not sure I even WANT to make the PL. Winning 50% of our matches in The Championship and being in the upper-half of the table seems like a good deal to me compared to being Palace or other relegation fodder in the PL with their 15-30% win rates year after year after year.
If run like Burnley and Watford, one relegation season in the premier league changes a football club beyond recognition.
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Isn’t that what he is now doing ? He'd seen what LB could do if allowed to bring in players he and Gallen had identified and clearly wanted LB to stay in in the job even if he didn’t want to pay as much; and LB seems to quietly bringing in players that look like we could be aiming for the playoffs again..
It's not possible to be that daft is it ?
Look at the Villa and Derby squads that were named for the play off final. How many of our current players would get on the bench, hand on heart?
If we signed 5 players for an average of £7 million each, 5 players on frees plus 5 loans. All on an average of £20k a week. That's a £50 million pound investment, for this season. Would it keep us up? Probably. Would it get us promoted? Maybe but would you risk £50 million on it? If you don't go up do you put another £50 in or cut your losses? If he did that and we didn't go up the value of the club wouldn't increase by £50 million so that money is gone for ever.
Don’t get me wrong, I want him gone as his tenure has been shocking, but if Bowyer is happy then that’s the main thing.
Bowyer does seem to be suggesting that there’s more than a relegation battle on his mind.
I get the impression he’s not ruling out a shot at the playoffs.
I could have listened to Bowyer for an hour, not just 20mins
I wish to return to The Valley and support the club that has been a passion of mine for decades. If you stay, I shall stay away. Some have said that my boycott is worthless. It is self-imposed, but not worthless; it is my response to the damage done to CAFC and a personal statement that I reject the malign interference. Meanwhile, I have plenty of other things to do.
Go, please, and may it be soon.
Very nice fella, if that’s who you’re referring to.
Been covering since George left.
More worrying is that RD isn’t really in a hurry to sell. He’s so wealthy it’s of no consequence if he owns us or not. He’s gone beyond just wealth accumulation and because of his ego has tried to influence the world around him. First with politics in Belgium and secondly with football. Both abject failures and it looks like he’s hurting from his experiences, bitterly defending his flawed thinking blaming everyone else. Charlton are stuck in the middle of his egotistical driven logic. I’m so sick of RD spouting spiteful nonsense on the OS whenever LB and the team produce success against the odds. I’d consider selling to anyone (not that we’ve got any say) if it got rid of that toxic element to following Charlton. If a party took over that didn’t have the funds to finance the club beyond two years then we’d be sold again. This time the owners wouldn’t have the luxury of waiting for a over inflated price to be agreed and if we went into admin we’d end up in league 1 where RD led us to anyway.
It'll be a sticky. That's where people will post.
And sadly, poor Henry's chance of CL immortality will be scuppered.