”The Evening Standard say Dalman has formally ended negotiations, reporting that Duchatelet has raised his asking price for the club to close to £50million following promotion from League One.
It is our understanding, however, the issue over the debt may be of more pressing concern for Dalman.
The Standard report that a number of former club directors would be owed a total of £7m should Charlton reach the Premier League, but they are said to want payment immediately to settle the debts as part of any takeover.”
“Dalman is thought to be uncomfortable with that suggestion and it remains to be seen where the takeover talks go from here.
There are further worries that a lot of money needs to be spent on top of the £33m buyout figure to ensure Charlton aren't relegated straight back down into League One.”
This has to be rubbish given that his reported interest was first reported in the same paper back in March before we even got promoted. Also you don't buy a football club if you're worried that a lot of money needs to be spent.
I am trying to work our Roland's day to day thinking. Without being ITK my guess Is that the Aussies were nearly there until Roland wanted Aussies to pay the loans but Aussies said "no Roland" but tried to help out anyway. Dalman has probably upped his offer but knowing that there are now 3 potential parties involved Roland is trying to play each one of the other and get as much as he can. Trouble is whist he is doing that, our club is in crisis and there is a strong possibility that he will lose out on all 3. Aussies must be the party that has offered Roland part payment now plus additional etc. Why else would Roland stick with the Aussies for 18 months to 2 yrs. Dalman could offer him a bit more now and upfront but Roland is asking for more and more. Why else would Roland srick with the Aussies all this time. My other burning question is what is Murray's involvement in all of this? Is he trying to persuade Roland and LVT to stick with the Aussies as they will keep him on board whilst turning down other offers and offering "over the odds" in order to put other bidders off. We already knew from before that Varney tried to introduce other people to the table to invest in the club a couple of years ago and it didn't reach Roland either due to KM or RM. Thirdly for a person entrusted to try and sell the club De Truck has done a shit job. Is he getting paid for doing bugger all for 3 days a week. Surely it doesn't take over 2yrs to sell a football club based in London with a good catchment area.
only conclusion i can come to after 2 years of this originally completely incorrectly titled thread is that there was a complete change of strategy after relegation. This included 2 main changes: One was to ditch the network as a failed experiment. The other was to pretend that a takeover was imminent. Nothing else makes any sense. At this point, the pig headed will say nothing rd does makes any sense but that is because they aren't seeing through the bollox.
Lots of people are very appreciative of the information and background you have been able to provide on this thread. So, it's worth asking you - above all people - one, specific question. Don't feel compelled to answer it if you don't want to, or if doing so breaches the confidences into which you have been taken. But, if you can answer it, I think it will make a lot of people feel very much more assured.
Are you still one hundred per cent confident that RD will have sold the club before the start of last season?
that was what was said at the time - another reason why i have come to this conclusion now
Yes it was. Lots of times. By you. .
@Chizz you seem to enjoy digging out @DOUCHER when he posts and picking up on inconsistency in his posts but don’t we all change our views as things progress (or stagnate). E.g. @nth london addick has been an adamant “nothings happening “ since god knows when but is now firmly in the “RD won’t be here by the start of the season” camp. @DOUCHER has actually put himself out there by stating his belief as the opposite. Both would be going on info the are privy to. I don’t see the need for your hostility
You're right, I do.
Some people post what they genuinely believe to be the current situation from their - named or unnamed - sources. I don't dig them out. Other people have a more forensic, journalistic approach and post what they can, only when they can source and corroborate it; and when it doesn't break the opportunities for other journalists to break the story. I don't dig them out. Typically, many, or most, of the comments these people post turn out to be proven in the fullness of time.
But some choose to relish in revealing a bit of information simply in order to counter, gainsay or belittle what other posters have commented. Usually, nothing that these people post bears close scrutiny. For example, it's difficult to have a great deal of trust in someone stating that RD will still be the owner at the start of the 2019/20 season, having spent the whole of last summer confirming he won't be the owner at the start of the 2018/19 season.
And I don't think those people should really object too strongly if their inconsistencies are highlighted. If you think repeating something back to someone is hostile, I have to disagree, with the greatest of respect. I hope my points are taken with humour - on this thread at least, that's certainly how they're meant.
Haven't read last few pages or been on this morning but just had a bulletin. We are nearly there I think - Bowyers and many others contracts will follow on from the takeover which I believe is at a very advanced stage with the ex Cardiff chairman - verified from inside the club. Watch this space.
The only people insisting on repayment of the loans (in their terms release of the charges) are the buyers, perhaps for good reasons, but the ex-directors have no such leverage.
As for the training ground my guess is that refers to the dispute with Footscray Rugby Club which I’ve reported previously. Why did Roland spend £1m on facilities on their land and a road across it, but then leave them standing unused?
Now that Walesonline are reporting things I’m fairly confident that Dalmans approach is pretty much dead in the water. He was obviously very keen yet silly bollocks has made negotiations virtually impossible. We’re stuck with him. I suspect if Dalman couldn’t get things over the line then the mysterons wont either.
only conclusion i can come to after 2 years of this originally completely incorrectly titled thread is that there was a complete change of strategy after relegation. This included 2 main changes: One was to ditch the network as a failed experiment. The other was to pretend that a takeover was imminent. Nothing else makes any sense. At this point, the pig headed will say nothing rd does makes any sense but that is because they aren't seeing through the bollox.
Lots of people are very appreciative of the information and background you have been able to provide on this thread. So, it's worth asking you - above all people - one, specific question. Don't feel compelled to answer it if you don't want to, or if doing so breaches the confidences into which you have been taken. But, if you can answer it, I think it will make a lot of people feel very much more assured.
Are you still one hundred per cent confident that RD will have sold the club before the start of last season?
that was what was said at the time - another reason why i have come to this conclusion now
Yes it was. Lots of times. By you. .
@Chizz you seem to enjoy digging out @DOUCHER when he posts and picking up on inconsistency in his posts but don’t we all change our views as things progress (or stagnate). E.g. @nth london addick has been an adamant “nothings happening “ since god knows when but is now firmly in the “RD won’t be here by the start of the season” camp. @DOUCHER has actually put himself out there by stating his belief as the opposite. Both would be going on info the are privy to. I don’t see the need for your hostility
You're right, I do.
Some people post what they genuinely believe to be the current situation from their - named or unnamed - sources. I don't dig them out. Other people have a more forensic, journalistic approach and post what they can, only when they can source and corroborate it; and when it doesn't break the opportunities for other journalists to break the story. I don't dig them out. Typically, many, or most, of the comments these people post turn out to be proven in the fullness of time.
But some choose to relish in revealing a bit of information simply in order to counter, gainsay or belittle what other posters have commented. Usually, nothing that these people post bears close scrutiny. For example, it's difficult to have a great deal of trust in someone stating that RD will still be the owner at the start of the 2019/20 season, having spent the whole of last summer confirming he won't be the owner at the start of the 2018/19 season.
And I don't think those people should really object too strongly if their inconsistencies are highlighted. If you think repeating something back to someone is hostile, I have to disagree, with the greatest of respect. I hope my points are taken with humour - on this thread at least, that's certainly how they're meant.
Doucher is someone, like nla who has named his source, more than once, is it really his fault if his source was misled / wrong?
Almost everyone 'itk' has been left with egg on their face at some point, mostly down to RD, not because they are deliberately putting forward false information.
Haven't read last few pages or been on this morning but just had a bulletin. We are nearly there I think - Bowyers and many others contracts will follow on from the takeover which I believe is at a very advanced stage with the ex Cardiff chairman - verified from inside the club. Watch this space.
Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
Has any other club sale been as complicated and drawn out as this one? Even I was beginning to blame the Aussies, but now the evidence points in another direction. If Dalman walks away you have to think this could literally go on for years.
I don’t believe the standard and the asking price raise to 50 mil it’s a load of bollox imo
You could be right But ?
Is it possible that the price quoted to Dalman is 50 million? And the price to the Aussies is 33 million or 40 million when ex directors loans are included.
This scenario is only possible if the seller is bonkers ?
Haven't read last few pages or been on this morning but just had a bulletin. We are nearly there I think - Bowyers and many others contracts will follow on from the takeover which I believe is at a very advanced stage with the ex Cardiff chairman - verified from inside the club. Watch this space.
The only people insisting on repayment of the loans (in their terms release of the charges) are the buyers, perhaps for good reasons, but the ex-directors have no such leverage.
As for the training ground my guess is that refers to the dispute with Footscray Rugby Club which I’ve reported previously. Why did Roland spend £1m on facilities on their land and a road across it, but then leave them standing unused?
I would say that's a good guess. Very frustrating.
only conclusion i can come to after 2 years of this originally completely incorrectly titled thread is that there was a complete change of strategy after relegation. This included 2 main changes: One was to ditch the network as a failed experiment. The other was to pretend that a takeover was imminent. Nothing else makes any sense. At this point, the pig headed will say nothing rd does makes any sense but that is because they aren't seeing through the bollox.
Lots of people are very appreciative of the information and background you have been able to provide on this thread. So, it's worth asking you - above all people - one, specific question. Don't feel compelled to answer it if you don't want to, or if doing so breaches the confidences into which you have been taken. But, if you can answer it, I think it will make a lot of people feel very much more assured.
Are you still one hundred per cent confident that RD will have sold the club before the start of last season?
that was what was said at the time - another reason why i have come to this conclusion now
Yes it was. Lots of times. By you. .
@Chizz you seem to enjoy digging out @DOUCHER when he posts and picking up on inconsistency in his posts but don’t we all change our views as things progress (or stagnate). E.g. @nth london addick has been an adamant “nothings happening “ since god knows when but is now firmly in the “RD won’t be here by the start of the season” camp. @DOUCHER has actually put himself out there by stating his belief as the opposite. Both would be going on info the are privy to. I don’t see the need for your hostility
You're right, I do.
Some people post what they genuinely believe to be the current situation from their - named or unnamed - sources. I don't dig them out. Other people have a more forensic, journalistic approach and post what they can, only when they can source and corroborate it; and when it doesn't break the opportunities for other journalists to break the story. I don't dig them out. Typically, many, or most, of the comments these people post turn out to be proven in the fullness of time.
But some choose to relish in revealing a bit of information simply in order to counter, gainsay or belittle what other posters have commented. Usually, nothing that these people post bears close scrutiny. For example, it's difficult to have a great deal of trust in someone stating that RD will still be the owner at the start of the 2019/20 season, having spent the whole of last summer confirming he won't be the owner at the start of the 2018/19 season.
And I don't think those people should really object too strongly if their inconsistencies are highlighted. If you think repeating something back to someone is hostile, I have to disagree, with the greatest of respect. I hope my points are taken with humour - on this thread at least, that's certainly how they're meant.
Doucher is someone, like nla who has named his source, more than once, is it really his fault if his source was misled / wrong?
Almost everyone 'itk' has been left with egg on their face at some point, mostly down to RD, not because they are deliberately putting forward false information.
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Some people post what they genuinely believe to be the current situation from their - named or unnamed - sources. I don't dig them out. Other people have a more forensic, journalistic approach and post what they can, only when they can source and corroborate it; and when it doesn't break the opportunities for other journalists to break the story. I don't dig them out. Typically, many, or most, of the comments these people post turn out to be proven in the fullness of time.
But some choose to relish in revealing a bit of information simply in order to counter, gainsay or belittle what other posters have commented. Usually, nothing that these people post bears close scrutiny. For example, it's difficult to have a great deal of trust in someone stating that RD will still be the owner at the start of the 2019/20 season, having spent the whole of last summer confirming he won't be the owner at the start of the 2018/19 season.
And I don't think those people should really object too strongly if their inconsistencies are highlighted. If you think repeating something back to someone is hostile, I have to disagree, with the greatest of respect. I hope my points are taken with humour - on this thread at least, that's certainly how they're meant.
Can you see flashing blue lights outside your window.
They used to charge a croat, for a front stall seat
https://forum.charltonlife.com/discussion/comment/3559905#Comment_3559905
The only people insisting on repayment of the loans (in their terms release of the charges) are the buyers, perhaps for good reasons, but the ex-directors have no such leverage.
As for the training ground my guess is that refers to the dispute with Footscray Rugby Club which I’ve reported previously. Why did Roland spend £1m on facilities on their land and a road across it, but then leave them standing unused?
We were sold on Monday but they’re keeping it quiet for a bit.
Brilliant!😂
Almost everyone 'itk' has been left with egg on their face at some point, mostly down to RD, not because they are deliberately putting forward false information.
I new it.
They were "debt free" in the press release. It appears they became debt free by the owner loaning the club the money and charging 4% interest on it!
Is it possible that the price quoted to Dalman is 50 million?
And the price to the Aussies is 33 million or 40 million when ex directors loans are included.
This scenario is only possible if the seller is bonkers ?
Conculsion: This scenario is possible.