Has the possibility occured to anyone that Roland doesn't actually own the club at all and it's this tiny legal detail that's holding up everything .
There were historic legal issues that the Aussies spent much spondulix on resolving way back when. I think you’re right, and this ownership issue dates back to the Jimenez era (as shown in the recent court case).
Where does £50m come from? It certainly was £33m (or possibly £30m) plus £7m for directors’ Loans, depending on who settles these. Unless it’s different prices for different buyers.
Where does £50m come from? It certainly was £33m (or possibly £30m) plus £7m for directors’ Loans, depending on who settles these.
Rumours that Roland increased the price of the club upon promotion. Which actually in my opinion would be reasonable if the original price hadn’t been higher. Although it’s not as if he has contributed to any success and is not funding an appropriate Championship club.
Hi @JamesSeed its the figure Simon Jordon mentioned when he was asked by JW what sort of figure RD was looking fro, on the radio this morning, when SJ said he knows one of the parties, what the deal structure is and he'd been 'invited' to be part of it.
Edit Please note I'm paraphrasing as was listening to it at work and trying to pick out the salient bits.
Hi @JamesSeed its the figure Simon Jordon mentioned when he was asked by JW what sort of figure RD was looking fro, on the radio this morning, when SJ said he knows one of the parties, what the deal structure is and he'd been 'invited' to be part of it.
Edit Please note I'm paraphrasing as was listening to it at work and trying to pick out the salient bits.
Last i saw he was on twitter announcing he's related to Henry VIII.
Randy old Prince Hal sure fathered a load of bastards so that might just be one of Acworth's more likely tales.
It's more than just about everyone with some English ancestry is related to the royal family at some point.
Each generation produces 2 or 3, maybe 5 or 6 offspring, who then produced a number of offspring and so on and so on for five centuries by which time Henry VIII has literally millions of descendants.
(Is there a face palm emoji?) pearls before swine comedy gold in a sense-of-humour vacuum
First, you choose the house you're going to buy. Then, you negotiate a price with the vendor. Then, the vendor turns out to be demonstrably bonkers. So, you go to the Winchester, have a pint and wait for it all to blow over.
Lovely house analogy Chizz.
When is your book:
Selling a football club for dummies coming out ?
Imminent. Just waiting for Roland to finish proofreading.
Remember when it was announced that each buying party had their own price? And that the price had been agreed with each party? I've always felt that this meant Aussies would buy the club and lease back the stadium and ground for something like £30M. Dalman apparently wants the whole club and thus would be paying closer to the £60-65M Roland wants, up front. In my opinion, this is why the Aussies are still in the running... Roland is willing to slice this any way that works. The price and terms have not changed because he was always over-charging and has not backed away from that in the slightest way, it's just that we are in a higher division. Roland is likely quite happy to have the Aussies because he gets to make a profit off hard assets and no longer has to worry about the club.
No-one is paying £60m-£65m up front. Or anywhere close to that. Roland may be utterly bonkers, but there is no way he would still be negotiating if anyone offered that. He'd reach past LdT and rip Dalman's arm off for that amount.
You can trust me on that. And I know the square root of fuck all about what's going on.
So what is the square root of fuck all?
A shed load more than all but 2 or 3 posters have ever known about any of this at all.
Where does £50m come from? It certainly was £33m (or possibly £30m) plus £7m for directors’ Loans, depending on who settles these.
Rumours that Roland increased the price of the club upon promotion. Which actually in my opinion would be reasonable if the original price hadn’t been higher. Although it’s not as if he has contributed to any success and is not funding an appropriate Championship club.
That came from me. Price went up by £7m with Patrick’s winner. Despite promise not to raise the price.
Remember when it was announced that each buying party had their own price? And that the price had been agreed with each party? I've always felt that this meant Aussies would buy the club and lease back the stadium and ground for something like £30M. Dalman apparently wants the whole club and thus would be paying closer to the £60-65M Roland wants, up front. In my opinion, this is why the Aussies are still in the running... Roland is willing to slice this any way that works. The price and terms have not changed because he was always over-charging and has not backed away from that in the slightest way, it's just that we are in a higher division. Roland is likely quite happy to have the Aussies because he gets to make a profit off hard assets and no longer has to worry about the club.
No-one is paying £60m-£65m up front. Or anywhere close to that. Roland may be utterly bonkers, but there is no way he would still be negotiating if anyone offered that. He'd reach past LdT and rip Dalman's arm off for that amount.
You can trust me on that. And I know the square root of fuck all about what's going on.
So what is the square root of fuck all?
A shed load more than all but 2 or 3 posters have ever known about any of this at all.
Is "a shed load more than all but 2 or 3" a lot? Or not very many?
Hi @JamesSeed its the figure Simon Jordon mentioned when he was asked by JW what sort of figure RD was looking fro, on the radio this morning, when SJ said he knows one of the parties, what the deal structure is and he'd been 'invited' to be part of it.
Edit Please note I'm paraphrasing as was listening to it at work and trying to pick out the salient bits.
which he got from yesterday's Standard.
Not so sure @Henry Irving, he was talking about being offered a chance to be involved by 'whomever' and then was asked about price by JW. So I don't know if he got the figure from the ES or knew the figure from the bidders.
I thought he would sell the club for £1and that it is The Valley and Sparrows Lane that were up for sale. Promotion wouldn't have changed the value of the land.
I thought he would sell the club for £1and that it is The Valley and Sparrows Lane that were up for sale. Promotion wouldn't have changed the value of the land.
Sadly these guys do not know what is going on regarding the takeover.
I know one who knows ‘something’ of what is going on......but no one knows the full story as there are a number of unknown scenarios that could take place following on from their current knowledge.
There's one person who should absolutely know every bit of every step of everything that's going on but tragically after 5 years bungling around with Charlton in the 2% of his time he imagines he spends on this thing in which he has no interest it remains patently obvious he doesn't know the first thing about any of it, changes what he says is happening, every time he says anything, even the loss of millions upon millions of his own money registers not at all in his risibly deluded psyche. I'm sure nothing can happen with any change of ownership until the tombstone toothed twunt is dead, buried and out of the way for good. That's not gonna help Charlton any.
I'd love it to be true that the cavalier crackpot was sold a crock of crud by the spivs, he deserves to have lost every cent of his €70+M, simply for not taking due care at the time. Sure as eggs is eggs they sold him an absolute pup on the non-existent property scheme they'd failed to fob off on all sorts previously. Greedy deceitful bigot reaping precisely what he sowed. Sadly karma is just another loony superstition which also ain't gonna help Charlton any. I'd laugh my head right off if it turns out he just ponied up £18M as rent in advance and whichever spivvy crook Tony the tealeaf was fronting for still owns the whole shooting match through an impenetrable matrix of dodgily incorporated shells, trusts and vehicles. Still won't help Charlton any.
It's a good job we have ' our link with the fans ' Richard Murray keeping us up to date with all the developments regarding the sale , what a job he has done
Sadly these guys do not know what is going on regarding the takeover.
I know one who knows ‘something’ of what is going on......but no one knows the full story as there are a number of unknown scenarios that could take place following on from their current knowledge.
There's one person who should absolutely know every bit of every step of everything that's going on but tragically after 5 years bungling around with Charlton in the 2% of his time he imagines he spends on this thing in which he has no interest it remains patently obvious he doesn't know the first thing about any of it, changes what he says is happening, every time he says anything, even the loss of millions upon millions of his own money registers not at all in his risibly deluded psyche. I'm sure nothing can happen with any change of ownership until the tombstone toothed twunt is dead, buried and out of the way for good. That's not gonna help Charlton any.
I'd love it to be true that the cavalier crackpot was sold a crock of crud by the spivs, he deserves to have lost every cent of his €70+M, simply for not taking due care at the time. Sure as eggs is eggs they sold him an absolute pup on the non-existent property scheme they'd failed to fob off on all sorts previously. Greedy deceitful bigot reaping precisely what he sowed. Sadly karma is just another loony superstition which also ain't gonna help Charlton any. I'd laugh my head right off if it turns out he just ponied up £18M as rent in advance and whichever spivvy crook Tony the tealeaf was fronting for still owns the whole shooting match through an impenetrable matrix of dodgily incorporated shells, trusts and vehicles. Still won't help Charlton any.
It was a 3 for 2 deal. How could he resist? He still has to find a buyer for the Brooklyn Bridge and The Tower of London!
Somewhat ironic that the man who spat out his dummy over Bowyer using an agent to negotiate a half million £ deal admits he is using an agent (LdT one presumes) to negotiate the sale of the whole club for tens of millions.
Sadly these guys do not know what is going on regarding the takeover.
I know one who knows ‘something’ of what is going on......but no one knows the full story as there are a number of unknown scenarios that could take place following on from their current knowledge.
There's one person who should absolutely know every bit of every step of everything that's going on but tragically after 5 years bungling around with Charlton in the 2% of his time he imagines he spends on this thing in which he has no interest it remains patently obvious he doesn't know the first thing about any of it, changes what he says is happening, every time he says anything, even the loss of millions upon millions of his own money registers not at all in his risibly deluded psyche. I'm sure nothing can happen with any change of ownership until the tombstone toothed twunt is dead, buried and out of the way for good. That's not gonna help Charlton any.
I'd love it to be true that the cavalier crackpot was sold a crock of crud by the spivs, he deserves to have lost every cent of his €70+M, simply for not taking due care at the time. Sure as eggs is eggs they sold him an absolute pup on the non-existent property scheme they'd failed to fob off on all sorts previously. Greedy deceitful bigot reaping precisely what he sowed. Sadly karma is just another loony superstition which also ain't gonna help Charlton any. I'd laugh my head right off if it turns out he just ponied up £18M as rent in advance and whichever spivvy crook Tony the tealeaf was fronting for still owns the whole shooting match through an impenetrable matrix of dodgily incorporated shells, trusts and vehicles. Still won't help Charlton any.
One of the greatest posts on this debacle. A fraudulent web of deceit might well exist. It's a bit like the UB40 band having millions of unaccounted for money, where top lawyers have spent years trying to work it out without success, or the Northampton Town FC disappeared council grant again of millions of £'s.
It also wouldn't help Charlton any but here's hoping the helmet has been well and truly done up like a kipper and he lives to discover the extent of it - might finish him off fingers crossed.
Shows how far we've come. Once upon a time that might've attracted a flag or even a ban and a thread all of its own to discuss sanctions!!! He is saying all the right things to later come out as a closet Charltn fan 😀
Why ? Because you are racist and don't like orange people. Because a man who lived in Holmsdale Road as a kid supported his local club instead of Man united. ? Because he called Richard Murray a wanker when we all thought he walked on water at the time. Because he refused to go in the Birmingham boardroom because he said the owners at the time made money from wank books and dildos ? ( Sullivan and Gold)
Because he is a Nigel ?
Why Simon Jordan has fought our corner since he has had dogs abuse from the majority of Cafc fans over the years is a mystery to me. ?
Because he said, at the height of the Murray-Jordan spat, that he would buy Charlton Athletic, just to close it down...
Just like any discerning Cafc fan would do to Palace and Millwall, or in my case Chelsea if we could.
The daft thing about this haggling over a price for me is fairly simple. - Roland is worth around one Billion. He is haggling over £7m
So the equivalent for one of us is if we were worth, say, £100,000 - this is us haggling over £700
would you write off £700 to dispose of a business you are bored of, that is giving me a load of grief, thousands of people hate me, and is costing me £70 a month to keep it running. And that is increasing.
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It certainly was £33m (or possibly £30m) plus £7m for directors’ Loans, depending on who settles these.
Unless it’s different prices for different buyers.
Edit Please note I'm paraphrasing as was listening to it at work and trying to pick out the salient bits.
pearls before swine
comedy gold in a sense-of-humour vacuum
However, he is, and always will be, a stripey, tango, two watch wanker.
I'm sure nothing can happen with any change of ownership until the tombstone toothed twunt is dead, buried and out of the way for good. That's not gonna help Charlton any.
I'd love it to be true that the cavalier crackpot was sold a crock of crud by the spivs, he deserves to have lost every cent of his €70+M, simply for not taking due care at the time. Sure as eggs is eggs they sold him an absolute pup on the non-existent property scheme they'd failed to fob off on all sorts previously. Greedy deceitful bigot reaping precisely what he sowed. Sadly karma is just another loony superstition which also ain't gonna help Charlton any.
I'd laugh my head right off if it turns out he just ponied up £18M as rent in advance and whichever spivvy crook Tony the tealeaf was fronting for still owns the whole shooting match through an impenetrable matrix of dodgily incorporated shells, trusts and vehicles. Still won't help Charlton any.
If Zabeel's owners hadn't got cautious, the mancs would have aspired to be the next Charlton Athletic.
But that's the old goat for us.
It also wouldn't help Charlton any but here's hoping the helmet has been well and truly done up like a kipper and he lives to discover the extent of it - might finish him off fingers crossed.
So the equivalent for one of us is if we were worth, say, £100,000 - this is us haggling over £700
would you write off £700 to dispose of a business you are bored of, that is giving me a load of grief, thousands of people hate me, and is costing me £70 a month to keep it running. And that is increasing.
I know I would