I don’t know if I am making 2+2 = 5 here......but it’s interesting that Aribo still (as far as we know), hasn’t signed for Rangers.......Mmmmmm I wonder?
Could also be the reason for the takeover not happening
i.e. Roland might want that compensation fee from Rangers as one more player sale to go into his pocket
The only place I haven't ever known the phrase Trousered to be used is Charlton life.
Oi, I used it in one of my posts, a couple of days ago .... "Lyle Taylor is under contract, he can't just up sticks and go. Whether old Duchatelet thinks he can flog him and trouser a few extra bob, who knows - but right now, he's under contract."
I predict we get sold on page 1905. Happyvalley will be able to post it was the year of our founding on the day we are sold. Nice symmetry.
Long before then. It will be 1815 - Battle of Waterloo. I have no inside info of any sort, but I reckon Monday 1st July is a good day for the old Belgian to sell.
Someone posted in the same thread "The Aussies have pulled out lack of funding".
Not according to Gerard just now. By the sounds of all the rumours you’d think Dalman must be ahead though. Have no other info at the moment.
It’s a bit sad that someone would immediately lol a post that just passes on a simple piece of info. There are plenty of fish pun tweets for you to lol if that’s your thing 😉
For the Australian consortium sake I hope Dalman does indeed take us over in the next week or so, it will take the pressure off them and they can carry on raising funds in the hope we become available in a decade or so.
If Roland only gives 2% of his time to SOC and it seems "The Aussies" only give 2% of their time. Dalman is "Totally committed to Cardiff" so Mehmet is giving 2% of his time to SOC.
No wonder the sale of Charlton is taking so Fucxing long.
Someone posted in the same thread "The Aussies have pulled out lack of funding".
Not according to Gerard just now. By the sounds of all the rumours you’d think Dalman must be ahead though. Have no other info at the moment.
Of course the Aussies don't have the funding, otherwise they would have bought the Club two years ago.
Probably, but we won’t actually know until either they buy the club, or pull out. The rest is speculation and rumour.
No disrespect meant to you James as you are only passing on what you are told but from the snippets of info on here over the years it sounds like their model would be very risky ie a consortium of random money who will either make every decision by committee or just be in it to make a return....which is not easily achievable.
Concern would be that when the penny dropped some of the financers would lose interest and pull their cash/ block any further investment like the conclusion of the Kevin Cash era.
Muir in his on right has the wealth to buy and fund outright but as a sensible businessman will want to spread that risk amongst others....from my outside observation it appears a consortium of random investors (?) rather than a group of wealthy people with a keen shared football vision for our club that may have initially existed at the outset.
Could be completely wrong and am only going on what I've learned on here but the model I understand from that gives me the concerns about it's viability and longevity and the outcome if one of many recruited investors lose interest/ realise it isn't the return they were sold (happened to Cash who then dropped us like a hot potato ).
Someone posted in the same thread "The Aussies have pulled out lack of funding".
Not according to Gerard just now. By the sounds of all the rumours you’d think Dalman must be ahead though. Have no other info at the moment.
Of course the Aussies don't have the funding, otherwise they would have bought the Club two years ago.
Be honest, you don’t have any evidence to make this claim, do you?
I would suggest that they have their price and terms for purchase and will not shift from it.
I would further suggest that the reason we have not got new owners lies firmly with Roland, and not with the Aussies, or any of the professional businessmen, that have tried.
Someone posted in the same thread "The Aussies have pulled out lack of funding".
Not according to Gerard just now. By the sounds of all the rumours you’d think Dalman must be ahead though. Have no other info at the moment.
Of course the Aussies don't have the funding, otherwise they would have bought the Club two years ago.
Be honest, you don’t have any evidence to make this claim, do you?
I would suggest that they have their price and terms for purchase and will not shift from it.
I would further suggest that the reason we have not got new owners lies firmly with Roland, and not with the Aussies, or any of the professional businessmen, that have tried.
That's the point though...what sensible business people would buy a football club these days....none in terms of a pure business decision.
Most clubs are loss making season to season
Ways to make money owning clubs in modern football appear to be limited to:
1) buy one of the few profit generating (I imagine) super clubs like Barcelona, Madrid etc
2) Invest own money or leverage the purchase and future investment against your own private company charging interest gambling at seeing a return by getting to the top flight and cashing in by someone willing to gamble on taking it to the next level ie champion's league ...very low odds and an increasingly competitive league extend these odds
3) asset stripping/ land sale - unlikely and commercial property investment would yield a greater return without anywhere near the same amount of headaches as doing it at a living breathing football clubs.
So if football clubs aren't bought on business decisions that leaves you with owners whose rationale for buying and funding is:
1) passion for that particular club...ie local boy done well...rare as hens teeth in England now the level of wealth required
2) ego trippers - the Tan types
3) genuine decent types like Leicester's late owner who will invest in the concept and the town and its people....even rarer than point 1
4) lunatics who see a new rule like FFP to be exploited and spend years stubbornly trying to instil a failed experiment and protracted sale (mentioning no names)
5) consortia of random investors sold on a return that will soon become apparent doesn't exist a la Kevin Cash
6) Man city types who have so much perpetual wealth they can take tens of millions of losses for seasons on end until an equilibrium is reached and the balance tilts so they can then buy the trophies in perpetuity- rare again
Any sensible business person would not buy a club as a sensible investment alone.
And whether their motivations and objectives are aligned with the supporters and what is good for the long and short term future of that club appears to be incidental on an increasing basis across the English game.
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I demand recognition, written apology and the sale of Charlton Athletic FC as compensation.
Thank you.
When it's been on the official site for a day
its actually true.
I know Roland comes out with some absolute waffle...and almost everything he says and does is utterly ridiculous.
I'm starting to believe Murrary is playing a much bigger part in this.
Quite possibly the biggest snake of them all.
I fear he is stopping the club from being sold.
His behaviour absolutely stinks.
The lies.
The tactical words....the quietness.
What has he done to the club????
It will be 1815 - Battle of Waterloo.
I have no inside info of any sort, but I reckon Monday 1st July is a good day for the old Belgian to sell.
All these marine jokes have tortoise no lesson - I just don't see their porpoise. There's no ray of hope all the while Roland wants too many squid.
I know he sabotaged Peter Varney's investment approach 3/4 years ago.
It all kind of adds up to be honest.
His behaviour has been very very odd throughout the last 5+ years.
The deflection of blame and responsibility - RM is good at it.
By the sounds of all the rumours you’d think Dalman must be ahead though.
Have no other info at the moment.
No wonder the sale of Charlton is taking so Fucxing long.
No disrespect meant to you James as you are only passing on what you are told but from the snippets of info on here over the years it sounds like their model would be very risky ie a consortium of random money who will either make every decision by committee or just be in it to make a return....which is not easily achievable.
Concern would be that when the penny dropped some of the financers would lose interest and pull their cash/ block any further investment like the conclusion of the Kevin Cash era.
Muir in his on right has the wealth to buy and fund outright but as a sensible businessman will want to spread that risk amongst others....from my outside observation it appears a consortium of random investors (?) rather than a group of wealthy people with a keen shared football vision for our club that may have initially existed at the outset.
Could be completely wrong and am only going on what I've learned on here but the model I understand from that gives me the concerns about it's viability and longevity and the outcome if one of many recruited investors lose interest/ realise it isn't the return they were sold (happened to Cash who then dropped us like a hot potato ).
I would suggest that they have their price and terms for purchase and will not shift from it.
I would further suggest that the reason we have not got new owners lies firmly with Roland, and not with the Aussies, or any of the professional businessmen, that have tried.
Most clubs are loss making season to season
Ways to make money owning clubs in modern football appear to be limited to:
1) buy one of the few profit generating (I imagine) super clubs like Barcelona, Madrid etc
2) Invest own money or leverage the purchase and future investment against your own private company charging interest gambling at seeing a return by getting to the top flight and cashing in by someone willing to gamble on taking it to the next level ie champion's league ...very low odds and an increasingly competitive league extend these odds
3) asset stripping/ land sale - unlikely and commercial property investment would yield a greater return without anywhere near the same amount of headaches as doing it at a living breathing football clubs.
So if football clubs aren't bought on business decisions that leaves you with owners whose rationale for buying and funding is:
1) passion for that particular club...ie local boy done well...rare as hens teeth in England now the level of wealth required
2) ego trippers - the Tan types
3) genuine decent types like Leicester's late owner who will invest in the concept and the town and its people....even rarer than point 1
4) lunatics who see a new rule like FFP to be exploited and spend years stubbornly trying to instil a failed experiment and protracted sale (mentioning no names)
5) consortia of random investors sold on a return that will soon become apparent doesn't exist a la Kevin Cash
6) Man city types who have so much perpetual wealth they can take tens of millions of losses for seasons on end until an equilibrium is reached and the balance tilts so they can then buy the trophies in perpetuity- rare again
Any sensible business person would not buy a club as a sensible investment alone.
And whether their motivations and objectives are aligned with the supporters and what is good for the long and short term future of that club appears to be incidental on an increasing basis across the English game.
but I also reckon they are fking skint