When we bring a player in I tend to check the views of the fans of the club he departed.
Generally speaking that will be the most accurate and honest assessment you'll get, much better than you'll get from any management team with their vested interest and much, much better than any self recommendation that that player may delude to. For that reason I accept the Forest fans view. I do not want this character anywhere near our club.
Absolutely agree with you 100%;its like you've been told that you have been cured of a terminal disease but informed at the same time that you are going to suffer with piles as a consequence!!!!
I reckon the Aussies will be making their move within the next 12-24 months.
I heard within the next 5 years
First rule of the Aussie bid
There is no Aussie bid
Oh but there is. Because it has been submitted to the EFL for the ODT. And according to @Addickted , it passed. And the EFL are apparently a bit pissed off that de Turck goes round suggesting otherwise.
Other than pics do we know if he has actually even put in an offer? We had pics of the Aussies with scarfs at an actual match. Which is a lot more than this. And that led to nothing. So this may mean less than we think.
I can’t see why a post on social media would scupper a deal. Ok it’s a bit naive but if the guy is prepared to pay what Roland wants I can’t see that issue alone stopping a deal. Also LVT was there so he could easily have said no photos please and reminded them of the NDA requirements.
Just give Roland an extra £50 and he will forget all about the picture. It's just the money for him.
I reckon the Aussies will be making their move within the next 12-24 months.
I heard within the next 5 years
First rule of the Aussie bid
There is no Aussie bid
Oh but there is. Because it has been submitted to the EFL for the ODT. And according to @Addickted , it passed. And the EFL are apparently a bit pissed off that de Turck goes round suggesting otherwise.
Can’t for one minute believe that Goldfinger has pulled the plug (assuming there was a plug there to be pulled in the first place) because of the photos. Nah.....he might have instructed his lawyers to make waves about it as in....”our client is concerned that our mutual agreement not to disclose interest has been significantly compromised etc etc” but if someone is prepared to pay a price to his satisfaction he wouldn’t walk away.....why would he, really does it make that much difference to a deal being done, of course not? Might make it a bit more difficult re media interest (which can be disruptive) and public speculation, but I can’t see it being a deal breaker.......if anyone can explain why that might be the case I would like to hear it.
According to the Evening Standard the club will not be sold to Fawaz Al-Hasawi due to the photograph appearing on social media.
According to the Evening Standard, the club will not be sold to Fawaz Al-Hasawi due to the story appearing on social media about the sale of the club being prevented because of the photograph appearing on social media.
I find this not credible to be honest. If he was offering what Rolly what he wanted I am sure the club would be sold to him. Sounds like an excuse to me.
Just a thought but if you're being shown around the Valley by the organ grinders helper, why would you sign a NDA? It's a bit like buying a house. If you like what you see, you put in an offer. It's at that point you sign the NDA, isn't it?
I reckon the Aussies will be making their move within the next 12-24 months.
I heard within the next 5 years
First rule of the Aussie bid
There is no Aussie bid
Oh but there is. Because it has been submitted to the EFL for the ODT. And according to @Addickted , it passed. And the EFL are apparently a bit pissed off that de Turck goes round suggesting otherwise.
Wooooosh
Have you ever watched fightclub
You need to chill a bit it’s called banter
Surely that'd be
First rule of the Aussi bid
You don't talk about the Aussie bid.
Which actually is what I wish had been the case since day 1
I reckon the Aussies will be making their move within the next 12-24 months.
I heard within the next 5 years
First rule of the Aussie bid
There is no Aussie bid
Oh but there is. Because it has been submitted to the EFL for the ODT. And according to @Addickted , it passed. And the EFL are apparently a bit pissed off that de Turck goes round suggesting otherwise.
Wooooosh
Have you ever watched fightclub
You need to chill a bit it’s called banter
Surely that'd be
First rule of the Aussi bid
You don't talk about the Aussie bid.
Which actually is what I wish had been the case since day 1
In 2 weeks time we'll wake to find out that Andrew Muir was actually a fantasy alter ego of @JamesSeed and the consortium and bid was a consequence of his writers block and sleep deprivation.
thinking about this. what is the benefit in the club saying there is no chance of purchase by fawad? very little, if anything they'd want to talk it up to get other bidders active. so if Cawley has been told that I'm inclined to believe it. perhaps what bowyer said is true...rd isn't prepared to sell to just anybody.
on the other hand they could be aware that fans will be running about a sale to fawad and denying it purely to prevent more protests etc.
I really hope the aussies come through this. the little info I have heard on them make me thibk they'll be good owners even if they don't have pots of cash like rd and fawad. they may be more competent and understand the fabric of football and fans.
that type of leadership served us well in the 90s after all.
I reckon the Aussies will be making their move within the next 12-24 months.
I heard within the next 5 years
First rule of the Aussie bid
There is no Aussie bid
Oh but there is. Because it has been submitted to the EFL for the ODT. And according to @Addickted , it passed. And the EFL are apparently a bit pissed off that de Turck goes round suggesting otherwise.
I'm not sure of the legality, but I think it would be great if the EFL kept a public register of all applications and results. That might focus a few minds. Especially if the introduced some more appropriate (stringent) criteria.
Other than pics do we know if he has actually even put in an offer? We had pics of the Aussies with scarfs at an actual match. Which is a lot more than this. And that led to nothing. So this may mean less than we think.
I can’t see why a post on social media would scupper a deal. Ok it’s a bit naive but if the guy is prepared to pay what Roland wants I can’t see that issue alone stopping a deal. Also LVT was there so he could easily have said no photos please and reminded them of the NDA requirements.
Just give Roland an extra £50 and he will forget all about the picture. It's just the money for him.
No he didn’t make any bid. He told my mate later that night that £50m plus the debts is way to much.
I reckon the Aussies will be making their move within the next 12-24 months.
I heard within the next 5 years
First rule of the Aussie bid
There is no Aussie bid
Oh but there is. Because it has been submitted to the EFL for the ODT. And according to @Addickted , it passed. And the EFL are apparently a bit pissed off that de Turck goes round suggesting otherwise.
Wooooosh
Have you ever watched fightclub
You need to chill a bit it’s called banter
Surely that'd be
First rule of the Aussi bid
You don't talk about the Aussie bid.
Which actually is what I wish had been the case since day 1
In 2 weeks time we'll wake to find out that Andrew Muir was actually a fantasy alter ego of @JamesSeed and the consortium and bid was a consequence of his writers block and sleep deprivation.
thinking about this. what is the benefit in the club saying there is no chance of purchase by fawad? very little, if anything they'd want to talk it up to get other bidders active. so if Cawley has been told that I'm inclined to believe it. perhaps what bowyer said is true...rd isn't prepared to sell to just anybody.
on the other hand they could be aware that fans will be running about a sale to fawad and denying it purely to prevent more protests etc.
I really hope the aussies come through this. the little info I have heard on them make me thibk they'll be good owners even if they don't have pots of cash like rd and fawad. they may be more competent and understand the fabric of football and fans.
that type of leadership served us well in the 90s after all.
I reckon the Aussies will be making their move within the next 12-24 months.
I heard within the next 5 years
First rule of the Aussie bid
There is no Aussie bid
Oh but there is. Because it has been submitted to the EFL for the ODT. And according to @Addickted , it passed. And the EFL are apparently a bit pissed off that de Turck goes round suggesting otherwise.
I'm not sure of the legality, but I think it would be great if the EFL kept a public register of all applications and results. That might focus a few minds. Especially if the introduced some more appropriate (stringent) criteria.
I have been thinking that. However the EFL in its current guise would never accept such a thing. They see themselves as responsible to the clubs only. As such they think that an owner has the right to entertain as many bids as he sees fit and the terms of such bids are nobody else's business. Underpinning this is the dangerous but still popular notion that football clubs are simply individual private businesses. That IMO is what has to change but very few fans outside the Trust/activist world see this.
I am hoping that at least we can push for a register of successful ODTs but even some of my CAST colleagues seem reluctant even to go for that.
@PragueAddick as you are here can you answer some questions for me? Don't mean to single you out but I am sure you would be able to answer.
What do you actually want to EFL to do in a situation like ours? As far as I am aware you can't force the sale of a private company.
What constitutes bad ownership? Who judges who is a good owner and who is a bad one. In the last 6 months I have seen public criticism of the owners from clubs ranging from Manchester United and Chelsea to Chesterfield and Torquay.
I would suggest, at anyone time, half of the fans of the 100 odd professional clubs in this country would have a gripe against their ownership. Where is the line?
If the ELF could take harsher action against "poor" owners, who would step in and pay the bills? About 80 clubs loose money every year, who is going make up the shortfall?
Do you think there would the current bad feeling against current owners if say Charlton, Coventry and Blackburn were all in the top half of the championship? Even if the off the field situations were the same?
One of the main criticisms of RD, and by forest fans, was hiring/firing managers, do you think the EFL, or anyone else, should have a say on this?
The same goes for player recruitment as well. Its subjective isn't it?
Your notice I haven't mentioned Blackpool or orient as I believe these are very different cases to the ones mentioned.
Thanks in advance. Happy to take off line if you prefer.
They are very good questions, and certainly one which all Supporters Trusts are thinking hard about. The only thing you've written with which I take issue is that Blackpool and Orient are "different". We are all surely examples of patently bad governance and this has to be addressed across football. That said, you are asking, what is good governance, and how can it be enforced? I think it would be very useful to have a debate on this with all Lifers able to contribute. I have some ideas but they are far from road-tested, and others will have better ones, of that I am sure. So my proposal would be to start a separate thread specifically to discuss this, using your questions as the kick off point. Not sure how much time I will have for it over the weekend but will do my best.
Thank you for addressing my question, I look forward to the other thread.
Imo Blackpools ownership has been proven to of illegally aset stripped and orient was outrightly and deliberately damaging. I don't think you can say the same about others.
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There is no Aussie bid
Oh but there is. Because it has been submitted to the EFL for the ODT. And according to @Addickted , it passed. And the EFL are apparently a bit pissed off that de Turck goes round suggesting otherwise.
Have you ever watched fightclub
You need to chill a bit it’s called banter
Nah.....he might have instructed his lawyers to make waves about it as in....”our client is concerned that our mutual agreement not to disclose interest has been significantly compromised etc etc” but if someone is prepared to pay a price to his satisfaction he wouldn’t walk away.....why would he, really does it make that much difference to a deal being done, of course not?
Might make it a bit more difficult re media interest (which can be disruptive) and public speculation, but I can’t see it being a deal breaker.......if anyone can explain why that might be the case I would like to hear it.
First rule of the Aussi bid
You don't talk about the Aussie bid.
Which actually is what I wish had been the case since day 1
In 2 weeks time we'll wake to find out that Andrew Muir was actually a fantasy alter ego of @JamesSeed and the consortium and bid was a consequence of his writers block and sleep deprivation.
Rubbershow worried about more protests tells local press officer there is nothing in it cause of a breach in NDA.
Social media quiets down, protests averted.
Rubbershow gets his performance bonus.
A month later Faraz completes purchase
RD don’t care.
on the other hand they could be aware that fans will be running about a sale to fawad and denying it purely to prevent more protests etc.
I really hope the aussies come through this. the little info I have heard on them make me thibk they'll be good owners even if they don't have pots of cash like rd and fawad. they may be more competent and understand the fabric of football and fans.
that type of leadership served us well in the 90s after all.
WELCOME FAWAD!
I am hoping that at least we can push for a register of successful ODTs but even some of my CAST colleagues seem reluctant even to go for that.
What do you actually want to EFL to do in a situation like ours? As far as I am aware you can't force the sale of a private company.
What constitutes bad ownership? Who judges who is a good owner and who is a bad one. In the last 6 months I have seen public criticism of the owners from clubs ranging from Manchester United and Chelsea to Chesterfield and Torquay.
I would suggest, at anyone time, half of the fans of the 100 odd professional clubs in this country would have a gripe against their ownership. Where is the line?
If the ELF could take harsher action against "poor" owners, who would step in and pay the bills? About 80 clubs loose money every year, who is going make up the shortfall?
Do you think there would the current bad feeling against current owners if say Charlton, Coventry and Blackburn were all in the top half of the championship? Even if the off the field situations were the same?
One of the main criticisms of RD, and by forest fans, was hiring/firing managers, do you think the EFL, or anyone else, should have a say on this?
The same goes for player recruitment as well. Its subjective isn't it?
Your notice I haven't mentioned Blackpool or orient as I believe these are very different cases to the ones mentioned.
Thanks in advance. Happy to take off line if you prefer.
They are very good questions, and certainly one which all Supporters Trusts are thinking hard about. The only thing you've written with which I take issue is that Blackpool and Orient are "different". We are all surely examples of patently bad governance and this has to be addressed across football. That said, you are asking, what is good governance, and how can it be enforced? I think it would be very useful to have a debate on this with all Lifers able to contribute. I have some ideas but they are far from road-tested, and others will have better ones, of that I am sure. So my proposal would be to start a separate thread specifically to discuss this, using your questions as the kick off point. Not sure how much time I will have for it over the weekend but will do my best.
Imo Blackpools ownership has been proven to of illegally aset stripped and orient was outrightly and deliberately damaging. I don't think you can say the same about others.
It's obvious #TeamWIOTOS was built on a Belgian waffle.
In our need of a new trustworthy source,
#TeamWRCROI is born from the ashes
When Richard Cawley Reports On It