Football died a little bit yesterday (VAR)
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Simple answer...any penalty that is awarded near half or full time and the taking of the kick is beyond that time limit, tbe whistle is blown to end the game/half immediately the result of the kick is determined.Manicmania said:another thought; if the pen had been saved and stayed in play would the ref just insta-blow for half-time or wait for any other move in the attacking area to break down like they normally do with injury time?
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VAR is superb ?
The problem is football is administered by people with limited intelligence who can't use this innovative technology correctly.1 -
There are plenty of examples in a match where a normal save gets made with the whistle going straight after or where a team are on the attack, are about to score and then have the goal ruled out because of the whistle being blownManicmania said:another thought; if the pen had been saved and stayed in play would the ref just insta-blow for half-time or wait for any other move in the attacking area to break down like they normally do with injury time?
The latter happened in the FA Cup 1st Round last season with Whitehawk (?)
Don't see the issue if the Ref instantly blew for Half-Time0 -
Germany are still seeing these problems and their refs making errors and they’ve been using VAR for a while now.
So I’m really happy FIFA have introduced it to the worlds biggest tournament for use by officials from Gambia and Tahiti.
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I'm still adamant that it wasn't a penalty and a red card for Solly against Millwall a couple of seasons back. Can we get VAR to review it and get all the players back out there and reinstate us in Championship?2
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Until the ref leaves the pitch apparently, which he hadn't. It didn't take much for the players to be told something was being reviewed quickly.Chippycafc said:
It is a farce...what is the timescale for reviewing...Callumcafc said:Everyone acting like it's a farce on twitter. Don't get the drama if it's the right decision.
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43791511
The BBC has coverage of this incident. I guess in future referees will have to give a signal to tell players to stay on the pitch if something is being checked by VAR
I don't know how long after the handball incident the half time whistle was originally blown. If the penalty had been saved, I assume the referee would have continued play for the same length of time, imagine the reaction if the defending team had then gone down the other end and scored!0 -
VAR is a cracking idea, however the fools that run football (the richest and greatest sport in the world) as ever, have no clue how to implement it.0
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I wasn't expecting VAR to be great straight away. Look at DRS in cricket, or other uses of Hawkeye (vel sim) in tennis/rugby et al.
However, it's been pretty shambolic. There's no clear delineation as to what is a "game-changing" decision (and there definitely can be), nor is the process made public to fans within and indeed outside the stadium, meaning the whole thing is shrouded in confusion.
Teething problems are to be expected, but not on this level, surely?1 -
Why bother having a.ref on the pitch. Just have him sat in the stand in front of a TV screen with a mic, make his decision, he can review every one then, game can go on till midnight, but, every decision would be right , well almost.2
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Players would have no one to surround leading Chelsea, Man U and Man City to relegationChippycafc said:Why bother having a.ref on the pitch. Just have him sat in the stand in front of a TV screen with a mic, make his decision, he can review every one then, game can go on till midnight, but, every decision would be right , well almost.
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43800580
"I like the old football, with more emotions, without the referee on the video stopping the emotions."
This quote is spot on. Human error from a referee is part of the game, if it gets to the point where you can't celebrate a goal properly because you think VAR might overturn it, that's killing the best emotion of seeing a goal being scored at live football game. Gonna to be a farce at the world cup2 -
I was being a little facetious - I know how it works but my point was if the whistle had already been blown for half time, how much time should the ref allow to correct the penalty decision? Immediately after the ball is kicked? 5 seconds later? 10? It's opening a can of worms bringing players back on the pitch after the whistle has been blown - I don't care if the ref missed somebody picking up the ball and walking it into the net - when the whistle goes that should be it.PeterGage said:
Simple answer...any penalty that is awarded near half or full time and the taking of the kick is beyond that time limit, tbe whistle is blown to end the game/half immediately the result of the kick is determined.Manicmania said:another thought; if the pen had been saved and stayed in play would the ref just insta-blow for half-time or wait for any other move in the attacking area to break down like they normally do with injury time?
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I doubt that VAR will be used that much as refs are usually spot on. It will be fine tuned and most people will get used to it just like most things that try to improve the game. And if not it will go the way of the golden goal.cafcsinger said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43800580
"I like the old football, with more emotions, without the referee on the video stopping the emotions."
This quote is spot on. Human error from a referee is part of the game, if it gets to the point where you can't celebrate a goal properly because you think VAR might overturn it, that's killing the best emotion of seeing a goal being scored at live football game. Gonna to be a farce at the world cup
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We want EVERY decision right .... Don't we.cafcsinger said:https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/43800580
"I like the old football, with more emotions, without the referee on the video stopping the emotions."
This quote is spot on. Human error from a referee is part of the game, if it gets to the point where you can't celebrate a goal properly because you think VAR might overturn it, that's killing the best emotion of seeing a goal being scored at live football game. Gonna to be a farce at the world cup0 -
What happens when the VAR system gets the majority of its decisions wrong, will there be a back up system to over rule it.0
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Phone a friend?Chippycafc said:What happens when the VAR system gets the majority of its decisions wrong, will there be a back up system to over rule it.
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What happens when he doesn't know the answer1StevieG said:
Phone a friend?Chippycafc said:What happens when the VAR system gets the majority of its decisions wrong, will there be a back up system to over rule it.
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Use VAF (video assistant friend).Chippycafc said:
What happens when he doesn't know the answer1StevieG said:
Phone a friend?Chippycafc said:What happens when the VAR system gets the majority of its decisions wrong, will there be a back up system to over rule it.
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And when they don't know.Callumcafc said:
Use VAF (video assistant friend).Chippycafc said:
What happens when he doesn't know the answer1StevieG said:
Phone a friend?Chippycafc said:What happens when the VAR system gets the majority of its decisions wrong, will there be a back up system to over rule it.
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Ask you because you seem to know it all.Chippycafc said:
And when they don't know.Callumcafc said:
Use VAF (video assistant friend).Chippycafc said:
What happens when he doesn't know the answer1StevieG said:
Phone a friend?Chippycafc said:What happens when the VAR system gets the majority of its decisions wrong, will there be a back up system to over rule it.
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No you do.Callumcafc said:
Ask you because you seem to know it all.Chippycafc said:
And when they don't know.Callumcafc said:
Use VAF (video assistant friend).Chippycafc said:
What happens when he doesn't know the answer1StevieG said:
Phone a friend?Chippycafc said:What happens when the VAR system gets the majority of its decisions wrong, will there be a back up system to over rule it.
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Kevin Friend has already trademarked it and is just laying in wait...Callumcafc said:
Use VAF (video assistant friend).Chippycafc said:
What happens when he doesn't know the answer1StevieG said:
Phone a friend?Chippycafc said:What happens when the VAR system gets the majority of its decisions wrong, will there be a back up system to over rule it.
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How much has to go wrong before we can get to the "ask the audience" stage?
That'll get bums on seats.2 -
https://www.google.co.nz/amp/www.goal.com/en-au/amp/news/melbourne-victory-aleague-newcastle-jets-grand-final/kgor67tldfq11f7bi0kan2jgi
Clearly offside. But no VAR check.
Turned out to be the winner in the A-League Grand Final between Newcastle Jets and Melbourne Victory.0 -
Don't worry it will sort out the mistakes and every decision will be right.Danepak said:https://www.google.co.nz/amp/www.goal.com/en-au/amp/news/melbourne-victory-aleague-newcastle-jets-grand-final/kgor67tldfq11f7bi0kan2jgi
Clearly offside. But no VAR check.
Turned out to be the winner in the A-League Grand Final between Newcastle Jets and Melbourne Victory.0 -
Wait so now you're upset that they didn't use the tech? I thought that would be music to your ears.Chippycafc said:
Don't worry it will sort out the mistakes and every decision will be right.Danepak said:https://www.google.co.nz/amp/www.goal.com/en-au/amp/news/melbourne-victory-aleague-newcastle-jets-grand-final/kgor67tldfq11f7bi0kan2jgi
Clearly offside. But no VAR check.
Turned out to be the winner in the A-League Grand Final between Newcastle Jets and Melbourne Victory.0 -
No they should burn the whole bloody lot its a shambles as you know but your too stubborn to admit it.Callumcafc said:
Wait so now you're upset that they didn't use the tech? I thought that would be music to your ears.Chippycafc said:
Don't worry it will sort out the mistakes and every decision will be right.Danepak said:https://www.google.co.nz/amp/www.goal.com/en-au/amp/news/melbourne-victory-aleague-newcastle-jets-grand-final/kgor67tldfq11f7bi0kan2jgi
Clearly offside. But no VAR check.
Turned out to be the winner in the A-League Grand Final between Newcastle Jets and Melbourne Victory.2 -
They did use VAR, just didn’t overturn the goal.Callumcafc said:
Wait so now you're upset that they didn't use the tech? I thought that would be music to your ears.Chippycafc said:
Don't worry it will sort out the mistakes and every decision will be right.Danepak said:https://www.google.co.nz/amp/www.goal.com/en-au/amp/news/melbourne-victory-aleague-newcastle-jets-grand-final/kgor67tldfq11f7bi0kan2jgi
Clearly offside. But no VAR check.
Turned out to be the winner in the A-League Grand Final between Newcastle Jets and Melbourne Victory.0
