Pre Match with KM
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Really? Millwall, for example? There are loads of younger fans at the bigger turnout away matches.ElfsborgAddick said:
Go to an away game and you see the same.Off_it said:Jeez, there's a lot of age in those pictures. And if you take out the three club employees that average age goes up even higher.
Where's the youth coming through? We know they care, or at least some of them do, so why is it they don't feel able (or welcome?) to attend these things?
I can only put it down to the generation of fans lost when we were groundsharing.
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I was at Saturday's CAS Trust Q&A and agree with what others above have said about KM changing her tone somewhat. She now acknowledges that "managerial choices are one of the reasons we got relegated" (a bit different to maintaining that each one was "the right decision at the time"). She now acknowledges that thousands of people didn't renew season tickets "because of us [her and RD]".
But it's still meaningless of course. The regime has lost all credibility among the fanbase and the football community in general. It's easy to say you've got things wrong (though she even had trouble accepting that at all in the past). If she really felt bad and genuinely wanted what's best for the club, she would have resigned ages ago.
I can understand fans who think these sorts of meetings are pointless or are worried they wouldn't be able to control their anger after what KM and Roland have done to this club. But I think it's important that there are some people to continue to confirm to the SMT that fans are pretty much unanimously against the ownership, and everyone who spoke was very critical of the regime bar one attendee who made a bizarre long statement praising her for the club's ticket prices (as if they weren't low pre-regime...). I also think it's important to try to show that it's not just older fans who feel this way. To us, it's obvious that it's not. But KM has tried to claim that only "certain types of fans" (i.e. Older ones) protest and want them to sell, and we mustn't ever allow her to credibly claim that there are sections of the fanbase that are more sympathetic to the owner.
I'm 23, and went to the Q&A with my 14-year-old brother, and including us, I'd say that there were at least 6 or 7 attendees under 35. That's not a massive amount, but when you consider there were only 25-30 people there in total and that supporters' trusts in general don't tend to have many young members, I'd say it's a respectable number.31 -
Scoham- thanks for post.
KM is either totally stupid or has a huge ego with the inability to see reality. The questions asked shows she is 100% a failure. Her decisions on players, managers are disasters, the biggest failure is her personal alienation of fans. As is said this cannot be solved by her and RD.
It is a catch 22 situation. As she cannot recognise and admit her failures she clearly does not have the ability to be CEO of the football club.2 -
agreed, that whole point about the lost generation is no longer relevant. Young supporters we might have missed out on then would be in their 40s now anyway so certainly not youth. We've since had a decade period of a sold out valley with well over 20,000 in the ground week in week out.Airman Brown said:
Really? Millwall, for example? There are loads of younger fans at the bigger turnout away matches.ElfsborgAddick said:
Go to an away game and you see the same.Off_it said:Jeez, there's a lot of age in those pictures. And if you take out the three club employees that average age goes up even higher.
Where's the youth coming through? We know they care, or at least some of them do, so why is it they don't feel able (or welcome?) to attend these things?
I can only put it down to the generation of fans lost when we were groundsharing.2 -
Or more recently, falling through the leagues.ElfsborgAddick said:
Go to an away game and you see the same.Off_it said:Jeez, there's a lot of age in those pictures. And if you take out the three club employees that average age goes up even higher.
Where's the youth coming through? We know they care, or at least some of them do, so why is it they don't feel able (or welcome?) to attend these things?
I can only put it down to the generation of fans lost when we were groundsharing.1 -
Is Katrien really involved with "choosing" players or managers ?
Who gives her the list to choose from ?
Being rude , I'm sure 95% of those in the ground over the age of 12 would have better footballing knowledge and acumen than her .
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Bit unfair on the under12s! I think they have more knowledge and ability than KM.3
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The frightening thing for me is that free tickets wouldn't get me to games at the moment. I had a discussion with my brother recently as to how much the club would have to pay us to attend a particular game. And the figure was pretty high. We have seen the £5 offers that would virtually fill the ground in the past have increasingly marginal imapact. The Valley has become a depressing place to watch football. To be honest, It was getting that way before this owner until Powell came along, but I still felt loyalty to the club and part of it. Katrien Meire has pretty much killed that with her egocentric historic comments and behaviours which I can't forgive or forget.
I have done a deal with myself that I will never lose my love for the club and will be back after she has gone. Even if it still doesn't feel quite the same, I will push through that.
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Of those who go to game with me, one very regular is 23, one occasional one is 23, and one half dozen a season is 23, one infrequent one is 66 and another one is 15.
What the club is doing by being so abject is alienating those younger ones.0 -
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Yes, my son actually was changing from somebody I had to drag along to somebody who wanted to come. That has gone!seth plum said:Of those who go to game with me, one very regular is 23, one occasional one is 23, and one half dozen a season is 23, one infrequent one is 66 and another one is 15.
What the club is doing by being so abject is alienating those younger ones.0 -
So if Roland has an issue with a senior manager in his businesses he takes action, believe her that he does....
Believe her.......really?
She is unbelievable in anything that comes out her mouth.1 -
My thoughts turned to Meire when I read about the confidentiality payoff made to former Sunderland CEO (also, interestingly, a qualified lawyer) Margaret Byrne: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/05/sunderland-margaret-byrne-750000-confidentiality-deal
I'd hate to think that, when the axe finally falls, Meire could walk away with a similar fat pay cheque, or indeed any other form of remuneration (bonuses, share options etc).0 -
Byrne had a pretty good reputation in the game. Fell on her sword after a disastrous error of judgment. Rightly so, but one wonders why KM hasn't yet fallen on hers. Probably because she doesnt understand what accountability means.Mark_West49 said:My thoughts turned to Meire when I read about the confidentiality payoff made to former Sunderland CEO (also, interestingly, a qualified lawyer) Margaret Byrne: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/apr/05/sunderland-margaret-byrne-750000-confidentiality-deal
I'd hate to think that, when the axe finally falls, Meire could walk away with a similar fat pay cheque, or indeed any other form of remuneration (bonuses, share options etc).5
