No way! 21 in the league - how is that going to work from here on in? I think if they dock W Ham points, it needs to be at the start of next season, not now, it's way too much to organise between now and August
I can't see it happening. Would the rest of the Premier League says willingly forgo a couple of million quids worth of tv money to pay the extra clubs share? Of course it is offset by the one less set of parachute payments but that will still come out the following year costing most of the clubs even more cash.
This whole thing is making the Premier League look ridiculous now. This is a F*** up of monumental proportions & this controversy is not going to just go away however much they want it too. As for a league containing 21 teams oh pleeaaazzee...!
If they had acted quickly, transparently, fairly and decisively they would not be in this mess now.
IMHO they hoped that West Ham would go down anyway and the problem would just disappear but that hasn't happened so they are left with a huge problem that they need to resolve quickly but which could be dragged through the courts for months.
21 teams, why ? either WHU shouldn't be there or they should. Either way that'll leave 20 teams, but Sheff U should only be in it, if WHU get thrown out.
I have been saying for some time now that the only way out is not to relegate the 18th placed club and have a 21 team league for one season. Four going down at the end of next season
The way I see it Sheff Utd have not been hard done by.
West Ham have been given preferential treatment and have got of very lightly for lying and cheating, which they even pleaded guilty to eventually. This has now set a precedent for teams to cheat and get away lightly.
So this idea does nothing to correct the injustice. West Ham must be docked points.
[quote][cite]Posted By: mart77[/cite]west ham should be relegated and then have only 19 teams in prem next year, with 4 teams coming out of ccc next season.[/quote]
That makes much more sense than allowing a cheat and a relegated club to remain.
If West Ham had been docked points they would now be relegated instead and Sheff Utd would be up so I don't follow the argument that Sheff Utd don't deserve to stay up. As for West Ham, well the problem is that they already stand on very firm legal ground as regards the original punishment. If they relegated West Ham, they will probably drag it through the courts with a very good case for overturning it. So caught between a rock and a hard place, my reasoning is that it's better to rectify the damage done to the innocent rather than increase the penalty for the guilty. It's not a perfect solution but the best available.
[cite]Posted By: Salad Spinner[/cite]I think West Ham should be docked points, thus be relegated and Sheff Utd escaping only as a consequence.
Thats what should have happened if the original decision had been correctly given. Now its a case of whether the original punishment can be changed with all the likely legal ramifications. Hence my view that the priority is to right the wrong done to Sheffield.
[cite]Posted By: Salad Spinner[/cite]I think West Ham should be docked points, thus be relegated and Sheff Utd escaping only as a consequence.
Thats what should have happened if the original decision had been correctly given. Now its a case of whether the original punishment can be changed with all the likely legal ramifications. Hence my view that the priority is to right the wrong done to Sheffield.
Any team that finishes with less than 40 points cannot complain about going down imho, so for me the issue remains the inadequate punishment received by a club who lied and cheated over the registration of players.
[cite]Posted By: Salad Spinner[/cite]Any team that finishes with less than 40 points cannot complain about going down imho, so for me the issue remains the inadequate punishment received by a club who lied and cheated over the registration of players.
That's a different and if I may say, an arbitrary view and not based on any rule. Many teams have survived on less than 40 points, that shouldn't have anything to do with it. What is at issue is the punishment which failed to rectify the balance between the benefit derived from playing a player against the rules and the damage caused to the other members of the league of which Sheff Utd suffer the greatest. Fine let them revisit the punishment for West Ham and open up a whole pandora's box of legal crap, or sort out the injustice done to the innocent. It's a case of idealism v pragmatism. I'd rather be pragmatic and move on quickly rather than idealistic and drag this on probably into next season and who knows maybe beyond.
No doubt West Ham threatened legal action in the first place. It looks very simple to me - either the Tevez third party deal and the associated dishonesty warrants the Premier League (with Fifa help!) re visiting the punishment or it doesn't.
If they do have points deducted then West Ham will be quickly told that going to court is a breech of the rules and will risk being thrown out of the league altogether by Blatter and co.
The Premier League should do what is right, not what is convenient
I don't really want to get into an argument about this because I entirely respect the position you are taking.
I can't see how the FAPL will revisit this punishment given the legal straight-jacket they are in. It's possible that FIFA and the FAPL could end up on opposite sides on this given the FAPL say they are content with the punishment.
Given this, then I am addressing the essential unfairness to the club who has been relegated instead of West Ham. It's a pragmatic approach but sometimes the compromise is the best option. You and others disagree. Lets move on.
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Errr, no. 1 extra team in the Prem, not CCC.... we'd get one less....
terrible idea...
cant see them going for that anyway it would smack of an even greater stitch up to keep westham in there.
If they had acted quickly, transparently, fairly and decisively they would not be in this mess now.
IMHO they hoped that West Ham would go down anyway and the problem would just disappear but that hasn't happened so they are left with a huge problem that they need to resolve quickly but which could be dragged through the courts for months.
See link to earlier thread
I told you so link
West Ham have been given preferential treatment and have got of very lightly for lying and cheating, which they even pleaded guilty to eventually. This has now set a precedent for teams to cheat and get away lightly.
So this idea does nothing to correct the injustice.
West Ham must be docked points.
That makes much more sense than allowing a cheat and a relegated club to remain.
Thats what should have happened if the original decision had been correctly given. Now its a case of whether the original punishment can be changed with all the likely legal ramifications. Hence my view that the priority is to right the wrong done to Sheffield.
That's a different and if I may say, an arbitrary view and not based on any rule. Many teams have survived on less than 40 points, that shouldn't have anything to do with it. What is at issue is the punishment which failed to rectify the balance between the benefit derived from playing a player against the rules and the damage caused to the other members of the league of which Sheff Utd suffer the greatest. Fine let them revisit the punishment for West Ham and open up a whole pandora's box of legal crap, or sort out the injustice done to the innocent. It's a case of idealism v pragmatism. I'd rather be pragmatic and move on quickly rather than idealistic and drag this on probably into next season and who knows maybe beyond.
If West Ham are relegated there will be a massive court case which they will almost certainly win in my opinion.
If they do have points deducted then West Ham will be quickly told that going to court is a breech of the rules and will risk being thrown out of the league altogether by Blatter and co.
The Premier League should do what is right, not what is convenient
I can't see how the FAPL will revisit this punishment given the legal straight-jacket they are in. It's possible that FIFA and the FAPL could end up on opposite sides on this given the FAPL say they are content with the punishment.
Given this, then I am addressing the essential unfairness to the club who has been relegated instead of West Ham. It's a pragmatic approach but sometimes the compromise is the best option. You and others disagree. Lets move on.