Don't be silly - if you haven't played at that level, you've got no chance. you would lose the dressing room in five minutes. players would spot a fraud within minutes (Carol). Football dressing rooms are brutal.
Millwall once appointed their Chief Scout Bob Pearson as acting manager, he lost all six games. The football fraternity was in stitches.
Lennie Lawrence, Jose Mourhino, Arsene Wenger?
Arsene Wenger - Strasbourg Lennie Lawrence - Sutton United - I'll give you that. Mourinho - Lower leagues in Portugal...he lost the Chelsea Dressing room last year.
You forgot Arrigo Sacchi.
One of the managers I worked for -Ray Harford - once told me that he had player power issues in his dressing room, with senior players questioning his knowledge and experience as he was only a fourth division centre half. He got past it by making one of them player/coach and involving him in all the planning & coaches meetings. Once he was given extra responsibility, he melted. But it could easily have gone the other way.
Wenger, Lawrence & Sacchi are obviously good in the dressing room, otherwise they would have sunk early on.
I reckon a number of Chelsea players, top players as well, wondered out loud how would Mourinho know how to play at that level, and the dressing room soon goes.
Ray Harford.
An old one of ours c 1965 or so.
He was good mates with Billy Bonds in the Colts. Ray lived at the Elephant, and travelled to youth team training on the 53 bus. I was at a South East Counties league dinner in the 80s, when he was reminding Peter Croker about going to see him for his bus fare expenses.
"Russell suggested the players would use this as an excuse if they performed badly"
WTF!
He hasnt experienced a protest so dont see how he can give an authoritative answer.
Cardiff and Vincent Tan protests.
And what's that got to do with Charlton?
Beat me to it.
And why should I have to interpret everything Russell said?
Just to say I appreciate you coming on here with the summary.
As most people who post on here appear to be firmly behind the protests, it isn't going to be a surprise that some will react with incredulity that Slade would claim protests could be used as an excuse for piss poor performances. What are their excuses currently given there have not been any protests whilst Slade has been in control?
As we know, the facts do not support any claims that the protests adversely affect the results and some on here have heard from horses mouths that players thrive on the atmosphere created by the protests.
You weren't asked to interpret his comments but you chose to offer a comparison that he might have drawn on. Protests might have had a negative effect at his previous club. I don't know. What I do know is that if anyone claims the past protests at Charlton have caused poor results, they are spouting utter bollox.
The first issue with the training plans was the players availability - with a time next to their name as to how long they could play for. Typical red, yellow, green score card. If the total players available were below the threshold then hey presto, the next page had the U23s on it. This gives the youngsters an opportunity to train with the big boys under the eye of Slade.
On the opposition they work on a consolidation report, with stats on every player. They have a dossier on their previous performances, shapes, possession and how they play and break it down into the three areas of the pitch - just as tutt-tutt suggested Oldham had done with us. They spend a lot of time looking at set plays - he suggested that we let in 52 goals through them last year (seems high to me). August target was ten points (we got 8).
The History of the Club matters to him - though he hasn't visited the museum yet! Tracey Leaburn said she would sort out a visit sooner rather than later. He has had pictures put up in the tunnel of important dates in Charlton's history as well as pictures of famous ex players. Going to try and get that shown on the Clubs website.
All players now have to turn up on match days in suits - no trackies or casual gear. Trying to bring back a pride in representing the Club.
He felt there was a desire to change from within the Club. He knows the recruitment is better and he's 100% that him and Nugent has the final say. Took a question on Dreisen and dismissed him - "Is he the lad with the hair"? Promises the "tail doesn't wag the dog". Get the feeling he puts up with his presence but generally ignores him.
He speaks to RD weekly on the 'phone. Very similar person to Vincent Tan who also rarely turned up on match days.
Feels he has a good relationship with KM and has been told by other staff members that attitudes are changing and "relationships are improving". He said she is very supportive of him.
He's aware of the low level we are starting from and it's going to be a long process of rebuilding - but he believes that process has started.
Didn't mention the COO and no one asked questions about him.
On players.
Pearce "top top leader" Croft "great mentor, role model" Magennis - "bubbly character" liked by all the players Lookman "super talented"
KM was adamant that the late bids for Lookman and Fox should not be accepted and worked with Slade to persuade the owner to keep them
Last minute deal for a midfielder fell through - didn't name them but felt would have made a huge difference to our start.
Question on Tony Watt - seeing as he wanted him at Cardiff but not here - was answered vaguely about injury to his ankle, personal reasons, Hearts is five minutes from his home etc. Not that convincing
When asked about other players out on loan and the contracts of existing players he just said he had to accept what was there when he joined and didn't pay too much heed to the situation. He had a nett starting budget to play with and tried to maximise it as best he can. If that meant loaning certain players out to get their wages or part of their wages off the books then that's what he did. Would have really liked to press him further on that and in particular about high waged players like Tex, who still have three years on their contract, but didn't get the opportunity to.
The first issue with the training plans was the players availability - with a time next to their name as to how long they could play for. Typical red, yellow, green score card. If the total players available were below the threshold then hey presto, the next page had the U23s on it. This gives the youngsters an opportunity to train with the big boys under the eye of Slade.
On the opposition they work on a consolidation report, with stats on every player. They have a dossier on their previous performances, shapes, possession and how they play and break it down into the three areas of the pitch - just as tutt-tutt suggested Oldham had done with us. They spend a lot of time looking at set plays - he suggested that we let in 52 goals through them last year (seems high to me). August target was ten points (we got 8).
The History of the Club matters to him - though he hasn't visited the museum yet! Tracey Leaburn said she would sort out a visit sooner rather than later. He has had pictures put up in the tunnel of important dates in Charlton's history as well as pictures of famous ex players. Going to try and get that shown on the Clubs website.
All players now have to turn up on match days in suits - no trackies or casual gear. Trying to bring back a pride in representing the Club.
He felt there was a desire to change from within the Club. He knows the recruitment is better and he's 100% that him and Nugent has the final say. Took a question on Dreisen and dismissed him - "Is he the lad with the hair"? Promises the "tail doesn't wag the dog". Get the feeling he puts up with his presence but generally ignores him.
He speaks to RD weekly on the 'phone. Very similar person to Vincent Tan who also rarely turned up on match days.
Feels he has a good relationship with KM and has been told by other staff members that attitudes are changing and "relationships are improving". He said she is very supportive of him.
He's aware of the low level we are starting from and it's going to be a long process of rebuilding - but he believes that process has started.
Didn't mention the COO and no one asked questions about him.
On players.
Pearce "top top leader" Croft "great mentor, role model" Magennis - "bubbly character" liked by all the players Lookman "super talented"
KM was adamant that the late bids for Lookman and Fox should not be accepted and worked with Slade to persuade the owner to keep them
Last minute deal for a midfielder fell through - didn't name them but felt would have made a huge difference to our start.
Question on Tony Watt - seeing as he wanted him at Cardiff but not here - was answered vaguely about injury to his ankle, personal reasons, Hearts is five minutes from his home etc. Not that convincing
When asked about other players out on loan and the contracts of existing players he just said he had to accept what was there when he joined and didn't pay too much heed to the situation. He had a nett starting budget to play with and tried to maximise it as best he can. If that meant loaning certain players out to get their wages or part of their wages off the books then that's what he did. Would have really liked to press him further on that and in particular about high waged players like Tex, who still have three years on their contract, but didn't get the opportunity to.
we lost a huge number of goals at set plays, because the opposition wasn't assessed and the coaches had no idea how to organise on defensive set plays. It's important to understand opponents movement at corners, free kicks, & long throws. Also to pick up signals, blocks, and whether crosses are driven or flighted. it is also important to watch teams in our league as much as possible to pick up trends. You would be surprised how teams use the same set plays throughout the season. I read somewhere that both Carol & Riga concentrated on what we were doing rather than the opposition, which roughly translates as no point me going on scouting missions because I wouldn't understand what I'm looking at, and can't run a coaching session to work on the information gained. Both were Bluffers. Glad to hear Brussell is traditional. The previous numpties went zonal and hoped for the best.
I don't understand what a consolidation report means. A scouting report should cover: both teams formation, tactical summary of the match, the opponents pattern play broken down into defensive, midfield and attacking thirds; Defence organisation & performance, both collective & individual, inc the GK; ditto the midfield and attack; set plays in the attacking, midfield & defensive thirds; corners left and right; throw-ins in attacking & midfield thirds; defensive organisation at set plays & opposition penalties. Perhaps it's a new trendy term. If you are able to see a tape of the game, the scouts report will fill in the areas you can't see on screen (e.g. What position does the full back take up when the ball is in the attacking third).
If Nugent says Mowgli is ignored, then the press interview claim that he is still involved is lies. Mowgli needs to be told through social media that the manager & coach ignore him and he's talking shite.
I think Tony Watt did precisely what we have been discussing and asked, Luzon,Carol & Riga, wtf they were talking about and who they had played for. That would have totally undermined them in the dressing room and they no doubt complained to Pinocchio. The Emporers new clothes syndrome.
Were the East Kent Addicks the supporters group invited to the Q&A at the ground recently and whose leader said that protests over the regime were misplaced ?
Yes.
They are the goody-two shoes group of fans that NightMeire wheels out at any time she cannot use T20. I'm glad some of them are now anti-regime, as this has not been the picture painted at other times.
It sounds as if Slade is doing every thing right up to the point the game kicks off ?
As @coveredend says, it's the adjustments during the game which have been lacking, which is probably why he is managing at this level. As we are at the third level, we have a manager for this level, albeit with experience at the second level. He has flaws, as do the players at this level, otherwise they would be earning more money at a higher level and he would be still managing in the Championship.
It sounds as if Slade is doing every thing right up to the point the game kicks off ?
Except pick a more attacking team & change the formation/subs, when it's not working.
The team he picked to start against Wimbledon with Lookman and Holmes showed a bit of intent but he should of gone the whole way and picked Botaka as a winger so Looky and Holmes could have taken it in turn to play behind Josh and run at 1st division CB's. As i said up to KO, ok but is getting out thought by his opposite managers during the game and really doesn't seem to know whether to stick or twist.
He did say it was the timing of the adjustments that was key. He used Fleetwood as a good example and Wimbledon as one where their first goal came just as he was about to make the change and then it was too late.
As I haven't been to a home game this season it's difficult for me to judge.
He said that the ex Charlton player Barry Fuller? (who we were told is an Ashford lad) made the cross of his life for their goal.
He said Oldham was just awful and said he'd work as hard as he could with the players to ensure we don't put in another performance like that for the rest of the season. They were all disappointed.
Don't be silly - if you haven't played at that level, you've got no chance. you would lose the dressing room in five minutes. players would spot a fraud within minutes (Carol). Football dressing rooms are brutal.
Millwall once appointed their Chief Scout Bob Pearson as acting manager, he lost all six games. The football fraternity was in stitches.
Lennie Lawrence, Jose Mourhino, Arsene Wenger?
Arsene Wenger - Strasbourg Lennie Lawrence - Sutton United - I'll give you that. Mourinho - Lower leagues in Portugal...he lost the Chelsea Dressing room last year.
You forgot Arrigo Sacchi.
One of the managers I worked for -Ray Harford - once told me that he had player power issues in his dressing room, with senior players questioning his knowledge and experience as he was only a fourth division centre half. He got past it by making one of them player/coach and involving him in all the planning & coaches meetings. Once he was given extra responsibility, he melted. But it could easily have gone the other way.
Wenger, Lawrence & Sacchi are obviously good in the dressing room, otherwise they would have sunk early on.
I reckon a number of Chelsea players, top players as well, wondered out loud how would Mourinho know how to play at that level, and the dressing room soon goes.
Don't be silly - if you haven't played at that level, you've got no chance. you would lose the dressing room in five minutes. players would spot a fraud within minutes (Carol). Football dressing rooms are brutal.
Millwall once appointed their Chief Scout Bob Pearson as acting manager, he lost all six games. The football fraternity was in stitches.
Lennie Lawrence, Jose Mourhino, Arsene Wenger?
Arsene Wenger - Strasbourg Lennie Lawrence - Sutton United - I'll give you that. Mourinho - Lower leagues in Portugal...he lost the Chelsea Dressing room last year.
You forgot Arrigo Sacchi.
One of the managers I worked for -Ray Harford - once told me that he had player power issues in his dressing room, with senior players questioning his knowledge and experience as he was only a fourth division centre half. He got past it by making one of them player/coach and involving him in all the planning & coaches meetings. Once he was given extra responsibility, he melted. But it could easily have gone the other way.
Wenger, Lawrence & Sacchi are obviously good in the dressing room, otherwise they would have sunk early on.
I reckon a number of Chelsea players, top players as well, wondered out loud how would Mourinho know how to play at that level, and the dressing room soon goes.
I doubt it, he had just won the Champions League, beating a proper Man U team on the way!
He did say it was the timing of the adjustments that was key. He used Fleetwood as a good example and Wimbledon as one where their first goal came just as he was about to make the change and then it was too late.
As I haven't been to a home game this season it's difficult for me to judge.
He said that the ex Charlton player Barry Fuller? (who we were told is an Ashford lad) made the cross of his life for their goal.
He said Oldham was just awful and said he'd work as hard as he could with the players to ensure we don't put in another performance like that for the rest of the season. They were all disappointed.
The timing of adjustments were too late, suggesting indecision or slow recognition. Then again he failed to act at all against Wimbledon. I can't comment on Fleetwood, but that's still one out of three.
@coveredend is right about the midfield selection. The most important point of an opposition report, is to get your team selection right. The midfield balance is obviously important. He got it wrong, and Oldham, with Paul Green the ex-Republic of Ireland international to the fore, played right through us.
Both points illustrate why he is at this level and he is managing a League One team.
Did anyone question him about our geriatric centre midfield ?
JJ (great captain) Foley and Crofts play a form of Walking Football which is very popular now with the over 50's. Doesn't seem to work in League 1 where teams are fitter if not more skillful than our last outing in this division.
Thanks to Addickted for his report and Tutt-Tutt for his insight.
I don't expect Slade to say anything different about protests or take what he says about that seriously.
As I've written before, it is a relief to have a "proper" manager and someone who can act as a half-credible spokesman for the club.
It needs to be recognised, however, that Slade's job is probably as dependent on the regime as that of Meire, Keohane and others. He'd not necessarily survive a takeover so he's going to put a gloss on what he says. He's neither independent nor free to say whatever he likes.
I do think he will put up a much stronger line against Driesen et al than his predecessors, but ask yourself why this idiot is still involved at all.
They haven't made "mistakes", their approach to every aspect of running the club has been fundamentally misconceived. If Slade doesn't deliver miracles he'll be out. It's a very tall order and would be even if he was better than he appears to be.
The regime cannot be at all happy with Slade, they have invested in a no doubt hugely expensive PR campaign to try to cover up the calamities that still befall them on a frequentbasis.
So just when they would hope that this new PR led management - (& thats all that has changed) - would coincide with a strong showing results wise, Slade is serving up mind numbing mediocrity on the pitch.
If Nugent says Mowgli is ignored, then the press interview claim that he is still involved is lies. Mowgli needs to be told through social media that the manager & coach ignore him and he's talking shite.
If/when AFC Charlton is formed then we could do a lot worse.
Again, you would need a manager who has played and managed at the level AFC Charlton would play in, or perhaps from just above. AFC Wimbledon had Dave Anderson, who dropped down a couple of leagues from Hendon and did an excellent job in the Combined Counties and Ryman leagues, before Terry Brown switched across from Hayes in the Conference.
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As most people who post on here appear to be firmly behind the protests, it isn't going to be a surprise that some will react with incredulity that Slade would claim protests could be used as an excuse for piss poor performances. What are their excuses currently given there have not been any protests whilst Slade has been in control?
As we know, the facts do not support any claims that the protests adversely affect the results and some on here have heard from horses mouths that players thrive on the atmosphere created by the protests.
You weren't asked to interpret his comments but you chose to offer a comparison that he might have drawn on. Protests might have had a negative effect at his previous club. I don't know. What I do know is that if anyone claims the past protests at Charlton have caused poor results, they are spouting utter bollox.
The first issue with the training plans was the players availability - with a time next to their name as to how long they could play for. Typical red, yellow, green score card. If the total players available were below the threshold then hey presto, the next page had the U23s on it. This gives the youngsters an opportunity to train with the big boys under the eye of Slade.
On the opposition they work on a consolidation report, with stats on every player. They have a dossier on their previous performances, shapes, possession and how they play and break it down into the three areas of the pitch - just as tutt-tutt suggested Oldham had done with us. They spend a lot of time looking at set plays - he suggested that we let in 52 goals through them last year (seems high to me). August target was ten points (we got 8).
The History of the Club matters to him - though he hasn't visited the museum yet! Tracey Leaburn said she would sort out a visit sooner rather than later. He has had pictures put up in the tunnel of important dates in Charlton's history as well as pictures of famous ex players. Going to try and get that shown on the Clubs website.
All players now have to turn up on match days in suits - no trackies or casual gear. Trying to bring back a pride in representing the Club.
He felt there was a desire to change from within the Club. He knows the recruitment is better and he's 100% that him and Nugent has the final say. Took a question on Dreisen and dismissed him - "Is he the lad with the hair"? Promises the "tail doesn't wag the dog". Get the feeling he puts up with his presence but generally ignores him.
He speaks to RD weekly on the 'phone. Very similar person to Vincent Tan who also rarely turned up on match days.
Feels he has a good relationship with KM and has been told by other staff members that attitudes are changing and "relationships are improving". He said she is very supportive of him.
He's aware of the low level we are starting from and it's going to be a long process of rebuilding - but he believes that process has started.
Didn't mention the COO and no one asked questions about him.
On players.
Pearce "top top leader"
Croft "great mentor, role model"
Magennis - "bubbly character" liked by all the players
Lookman "super talented"
KM was adamant that the late bids for Lookman and Fox should not be accepted and worked with Slade to persuade the owner to keep them
Last minute deal for a midfielder fell through - didn't name them but felt would have made a huge difference to our start.
Question on Tony Watt - seeing as he wanted him at Cardiff but not here - was answered vaguely about injury to his ankle, personal reasons, Hearts is five minutes from his home etc. Not that convincing
When asked about other players out on loan and the contracts of existing players he just said he had to accept what was there when he joined and didn't pay too much heed to the situation. He had a nett starting budget to play with and tried to maximise it as best he can. If that meant loaning certain players out to get their wages or part of their wages off the books then that's what he did. Would have really liked to press him further on that and in particular about high waged players like Tex, who still have three years on their contract, but didn't get the opportunity to.
He still believes we will finish in the top six.
The last minute deal that fell through was for Louis Thompson, the Norwich midfielder who was at Swindon last season.
No doubt Thompson was instrumental in Ajose's success.
we lost a huge number of goals at set plays, because the opposition wasn't assessed and the coaches had no idea how to organise on defensive set plays. It's important to understand opponents movement at corners, free kicks, & long throws. Also to pick up signals, blocks, and whether crosses are driven or flighted. it is also important to watch teams in our league as much as possible to pick up trends. You would be surprised how teams use the same set plays throughout the season. I read somewhere that both Carol & Riga concentrated on what we were doing rather than the opposition, which roughly translates as no point me going on scouting missions because I wouldn't understand what I'm looking at, and can't run a coaching session to work on the information gained. Both were Bluffers. Glad to hear Brussell is traditional. The previous numpties went zonal and hoped for the best.
I don't understand what a consolidation report means. A scouting report should cover: both teams formation, tactical summary of the match, the opponents pattern play broken down into defensive, midfield and attacking thirds; Defence organisation & performance, both collective & individual, inc the GK; ditto the midfield and attack; set plays in the attacking, midfield & defensive thirds; corners left and right; throw-ins in attacking & midfield thirds; defensive organisation at set plays & opposition penalties. Perhaps it's a new trendy term. If you are able to see a tape of the game, the scouts report will fill in the areas you can't see on screen (e.g. What position does the full back take up when the ball is in the attacking third).
If Nugent says Mowgli is ignored, then the press interview claim that he is still involved is lies. Mowgli needs to be told through social media that the manager & coach ignore him and he's talking shite.
I think Tony Watt did precisely what we have been discussing and asked, Luzon,Carol & Riga, wtf they were talking about and who they had played for. That would have totally undermined them in the dressing room and they no doubt complained to Pinocchio. The Emporers new clothes syndrome.
Will teach me not to stop reading your posts after the first sentence in future
As i said up to KO, ok but is getting out thought by his opposite managers
during the game and really doesn't seem to know whether to stick or twist.
As I haven't been to a home game this season it's difficult for me to judge.
He said that the ex Charlton player Barry Fuller? (who we were told is an Ashford lad) made the cross of his life for their goal.
He said Oldham was just awful and said he'd work as hard as he could with the players to ensure we don't put in another performance like that for the rest of the season. They were all disappointed.
@coveredend is right about the midfield selection. The most important point of an opposition report, is to get your team selection right. The midfield balance is obviously important. He got it wrong, and Oldham, with Paul Green the ex-Republic of Ireland international to the fore, played right through us.
Both points illustrate why he is at this level and he is managing a League One team.
I don't expect Slade to say anything different about protests or take what he says about that seriously.
As I've written before, it is a relief to have a "proper" manager and someone who can act as a half-credible spokesman for the club.
It needs to be recognised, however, that Slade's job is probably as dependent on the regime as that of Meire, Keohane and others. He'd not necessarily survive a takeover so he's going to put a gloss on what he says. He's neither independent nor free to say whatever he likes.
I do think he will put up a much stronger line against Driesen et al than his predecessors, but ask yourself why this idiot is still involved at all.
They haven't made "mistakes", their approach to every aspect of running the club has been fundamentally misconceived. If Slade doesn't deliver miracles he'll be out. It's a very tall order and would be even if he was better than he appears to be.
No then no Need for minutes really thanks though
So just when they would hope that this new PR led management - (& thats all that has changed) - would coincide with a strong showing results wise, Slade is serving up mind numbing mediocrity on the pitch.
Let's hope it doesn't come to that.