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should the club be looking to extend the east stand this season ?

seems a perfect time to me...they could cut the capacity down a bit while the work was going on, thereby needing to fill less seats this season and making it more likely that games will sell out and, at the same time, make it possible that we re-enter the premiership the following season with an increased capacity and less noise leakage from the uppers north and west over the east stand...go on, you know it makes sense...
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  • Nope. Finances should be focussed on getting us into the Premier League before we start worrying about ground expansion.
  • it will cost a lot though surely...i doubt it will happen. better spending the money on rebuilding. i like your idea though.

    i read a post on here saying that the singers at away games are in sporadic batches...is there a way that when we order away tickets the club allocate a singing section? i know they do this at other clubs and i dont think it would be too difficult to organise.
  • AP: "I want to buy this striker and midfielder to get us up this season"

    RM: "Sorry Alan, but we're building an extention on the East Stand"

    I'd love to see us build it but this just isn't the time. Also capacity isn't likely to drop. The East stand roof would come off however and we'd lose the noise coming from all the real fans who sit there.

    And thanks for not saying Oi!
  • [cite]Posted By: cunningstunt87[/cite]Nope. Finances should be focussed on getting us into the Premier League before we start worrying about ground expansion.

    different type of finances...and i thought there was a backer for the east stand extension in the form of a school or college ?...far better to do it now than wait until we're back in the premiership...the club talks the talk in wanting fans to have faith so perhaps it time for the club to do something that would really shout their intentions to make it back to the pl...
  • [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    And thanks for not saying Oi!


    not a problem...you should have mentioned it before...
  • Can't see them doing it anytime soon. It's a bit like taking on a larger Mortgage when you've just taken a massive pay cut. Very risky.
  • [cite]Posted By: ltgtr[/cite]
    [cite]Posted By: cunningstunt87[/cite]Nope. Finances should be focussed on getting us into the Premier League before we start worrying about ground expansion.

    different type of finances...and i thought there was a backer for the east stand extension in the form of a school or college ?...far better to do it now than wait until we're back in the premiership...the club talks the talk in wanting fans to have faith so perhaps it time for the club to do something that would really shout their intentions to make it back to the pl...

    Disagree mate. I personally would see it as a far bigger statement if they invested money in quality players to get us back up, not by building the extended new stand.
  • What will the capacity rise to with the extension then? Realistically could we fill it?
  • Not different types of finances at all. You still have to pay for it even if it is on a mortgage/loan and spread over a number of years. You are committing the club to paying that mortage for a number of years at a time when we are not guarenteed a return to the Premiership.

    There was involvement of colleges in the building of the North/Covered end as they attract grants towards the cost. Something might be possible with the east but grants are time limited so may have run out and would in any case only be a very small part of the £15m+ costs
  • [cite]Posted By: cunningstunt87[/cite]What will the capacity rise to with the extension then? Realistically could we fill it?

    31k plus lots of boxes. Yes we could fill it IMHO
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  • edited May 2007
    ok, lets put it another way...when the club extends the east stand, a lot of the fans in there at the moment will no doubt have to be relocated for the duration...should the club do that next season when there is likely to be some capacity to play with or later when the club is back in the pl and demand will be higher ?...remember, when the club played southampton in the first pl game the upper west wasn't ready to be opened in time and s/ticket holders, if they were lucky and had kids with s/tickets got relocated elsewhere...my understanding is that other s/ticket holders were unlucky and missed our 5-0 opening drubbing of the saints...
  • Don't want to reopen old wounds but wasn't the East Stand development dependent on planning permission for the Jimmy Seed (that's South to you WSS:-) ) Stand?

    Or were the two proposed projects mutually exclusive?

    I got thoroughly confused as to where we'd got to with it all !
  • [cite]Posted By: ltgtr[/cite]ok, lets put it another way...when the club extends the east stand, a lot of the fans in there at the moment will no doubt have to be relocated for the duration...should the club do that next season when there is likely to be some capacity to play with or later when the club is back in the pl and demand will be higher ?...remember, when the club played southampton in the first pl game the upper west wasn't opened and s/ticket holders, if they were lucky and had kids with s/tickets got relocated elsewhere...my understanding is that other s/ticket holders were unlucky and missed our 5-0 opening drubbing of the saints...

    I see what you're saying but you're forgetting one small thing. What if we don't go back up? We'll have an extended capacity, with less money and we'll be in the sh*t big time.
  • 1. I'm not sure that it does mean emptying the East stand but I may be wrong.

    2. £15m+ is a lot of money to spend just so the ground looks full

    3. The ground won't be full in anycase as it will have one side empty and that will effect the atmosphere.

    4. The priority in the short term should be the team to get us back up to the prem where there is more likely to be extra cash to spend on the ground and where the banks are more likely to willing to offer loans/mortgages.
  • [cite]Posted By: LenGlover[/cite]Don't want to reopen old wounds but wasn't the East Stand development dependent on planning permission for the Jimmy Seed (that's South to you WSS:-) ) Stand?

    Or were the two proposed projects mutually exclusive?

    I got thoroughly confused as to where we'd got to with it all !

    No, that was just a point that I and the leader of Greenwich council had a "disagreement" over. LBG are now looking at both developments as one entity which is what the club wanted all along. We have full planning permission for the East stand.
  • I think we would struggle big time to get 31k in the Championship. I would rather wait til we're promoted before expanding begins.
  • [cite]Posted By: ltgtr[/cite]seems a perfect time to me...they could cut the capacity down a bit while the work was going on, thereby needing to fill less seats this season and making it more likely that games will sell out and, at the same time, make it possible that we re-enter the premiership the following season with an increased capacity and less noise leakage from the uppers north and west over the east stand...go on, you know it makes sense...

    100% NO. NO, NO, NO. It's not a given that we're going to get out of the Championship is it. Say we're down for 4 or 5 years... how we going to pay for the stand then? Aren't we still paying off the North Stand expansion?
  • henry, when we had a 8k capacity and the east stand was being built and therefore empty the atmosphere was electric...and technically, the ground will be full in everybody's perception because the games will sell out (and we can probably assume they will sell out because we've sold 17k s/tickets already and if the club announced a reduced capacity because of building work, the rest would sell out like a shot to fans that want to make sure they can get in)...
  • [cite]Posted By: cunningstunt87[/cite]I think we would struggle big time to get 31k in the Championship. I would rather wait til we're promoted before expanding begins.

    Agree. I meant we could fill it in the prem IMHO
  • This is why it won't, and shouldn't happen next season.

    The East Development is not about fans, or even about getting a bigger capacity. The whole emphasis in the development is to significantly increase our corporate capabilities. A £15m development, yet adds less than 4,000 seats to the stand.

    Corporate demand is significantly lower in the Championship than it is in the Prem, particularly if you stay out the top league for a few seasons. There simply will not be the level of corporate demand necessary to make it a viable option.
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  • [cite]Posted By: ltgtr[/cite]henry, when we had a 8k capacity and the east stand was being built and therefore empty the atmosphere was electric...and technically, the ground will be full in everybody's perception because the games will sell out (and we can probably assume they will sell out because we've sold 17k s/tickets already and if the club announced a reduced capacity because of building work, the rest would sell out like a shot to fans that want to make sure they can get in)...

    Yes, but we had just got home. That's why the atmosphere was so good.

    Bottom line is the bottom line. You have to pay for it and as Bing said so well it's like taking out a bigger mortgage when you've just had a pay cut.
  • Remember though lgtgr, that you still have to allow away fans access. Wouldn't say theres room in the North and West to put the entire East Stand in.
  • in case nobody's noticed it lately, gates in the ccc are generally not that bad...we wont be the best supported club in the league next season...if other clubs can manage in the ccc, why are there people on here that think charlton cant if we dont bounce back straight away ?
  • We will manage with the ground we have. An expansion would leave us with a load of lush directors boxes and no-one to fill them
  • How many season tickets did we sell last season? Was wondering how it compared to the 17,000 (so far) this time around.
  • [cite]Posted By: cunningstunt87[/cite]Remember though lgtgr, that you still have to allow away fans access. Wouldn't say theres room in the North and West to put the entire East Stand in.

    a smaller capacity means we have to give the away team less, not that pl teams took all the jimmy seed anyway...and we've split the js before so they, or the non s/ticket allocation, can go in there...
  • Big NO to this don't want any of them Flaskers from the East moving to the North Upper then telling me to Siddarn thanks..! :-)
  • It's not that we wouldn't be able to cope in the CCC long term but that we don't want an extra debt burden.

    Building costs are rocketing and the likes of Leicester when into Admin due to the cost of the Crisps Bowl.
  • edited May 2007
    [cite]Posted By: Henry Irving[/cite]
    Bottom line is the bottom line. You have to pay for it and as Bing said so well it's like taking out a bigger mortgage when you've just had a pay cut.


    but isn't it far better to do it now when we want the type of player that will cost less and will accept a lower salary than later when we have more money coming in but need to spend more of it on buying players and pay them a lot more in wages...at least if we increase the capacity now we will be able to generate more income to help us stay up...
  • in a word, no.
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