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Wimbledon 2016

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  • All_Thaid_Up
    All_Thaid_Up Posts: 2,293
    What it shows is how great a player Steffi Graf was
    http://espn.go.com/espnw/sports/article/16889929/serena-williams-steffi-graf-numbers

  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    Kerber was very close to Williams' level in that final. It is a hell of an achievement but suggesting she be 'retired' is ludicrous when she's winning on merit against players whose levels are higher than women's tennis has ever been.

    Another thing: the top women players actively want 5-set tennis. It is the tournament organisers who deny them this, out of outdated principle.
  • killerandflash
    killerandflash Posts: 69,846
    Leuth said:

    Kerber was very close to Williams' level in that final. It is a hell of an achievement but suggesting she be 'retired' is ludicrous when she's winning on merit against players whose levels are higher than women's tennis has ever been.

    Another thing: the top women players actively want 5-set tennis. It is the tournament organisers who deny them this, out of outdated principle.

    The thing is greatness isn't just about how many titles you win, it's who you competed against, and I don't think women's tennis is anywhere near as strong as it's been in previous eras. Yes they have better rackets, so hit the ball harder, but a lot of the players have a very limited range of shots and little longevity.

    Roger would easily have exceeded the number of titles Serena has won if Rafa or Novak hadn't been around, and vice versa. How many doubles titles would Andy Murray have won if he was able to play them.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,037
    Leuth said:

    Kerber was very close to Williams' level in that final. It is a hell of an achievement but suggesting she be 'retired' is ludicrous when she's winning on merit against players whose levels are higher than women's tennis has ever been.

    Another thing: the top women players actively want 5-set tennis. It is the tournament organisers who deny them this, out of outdated principle.

    I wasn't entirely serious in my suggestion that she be retired !
  • Weegie Addick
    Weegie Addick Posts: 16,521
    Enjoyed watching Gordon Reid win the wheelchair singles.
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    Come on Andy!!!
  • LawrieAbrahams
    LawrieAbrahams Posts: 3,779
    Hopefully Murray's class will tell. Raonic has already made a few groundstroke errors.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,765
    Murray breaks serve. Only sixth time Raonic has lost serve all tournament.

    4-3 to Murray in first set.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,765
    Murray wins first set 6-4.
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,315
    Playing really well today
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  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Raonic hasnt even had a break point!!

    He needs to work on the rest of his game as wont challenge the top four consistently using just his serve
  • bolloxbolder
    bolloxbolder Posts: 7,960
    Nervous about next game serving in the sun.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,765
    Raonic just had the fastest serve of the tournament (147mph) and Murray still won the point.
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    Who's Murray got today?
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,953
    Callumcafc said:

    Raonic just had the fastest serve of the tournament (147mph) and Murray still won the point.

    His returning has been unbelievable today.
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Raonic to win this set on tie break for me
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,765
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    edited July 2016
    Were the other three Serves all returned when they happened?
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,765
    Everyone's at the tennis apparently.
  • ricky_otto
    ricky_otto Posts: 22,600
    edited July 2016
    Callumcafc said:

    Everyone's at the tennis apparently.

    They all turn up during Wimbledon.
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,765
    Second set goes into a tie break... H2H record on tie breaks: Raonic 4-1 Murray
  • North Lower Neil
    North Lower Neil Posts: 22,953
    ForeverAddickted said:

    Raonic to win this set on tie break for me

    Thought he'd just do it to try to win but I guess you give him that little extra motivation.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,168
    Murray has been superb so far, but I do worry about the tie breaks
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,168
    Too good!
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Who's Murray got today?

    Raonic
  • i_b_b_o_r_g
    i_b_b_o_r_g Posts: 18,948
    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    i_b_b_o_r_g said:

    Who's Murray got today?

    Raonic
    C'mon Raonic
  • ForeverAddickted
    ForeverAddickted Posts: 94,318
    Phew.

    Had Murray not won that set it would have been criminal!!
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,765
    Raonic 4-6 6-7(3-7) Murray
  • LawrieAbrahams
    LawrieAbrahams Posts: 3,779
    Justice done in that set. Murray is making him look like a classless slugger.
  • se9addick
    se9addick Posts: 32,037
    Every now and then you can really see the class difference between the two players. Raonic could be a very good player in the future if he can bring a bit more accuracy to that giant serve but right now he's not on Murray's level.

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