The lost trust would take some doing to repair, but if there was a genuine total change in approach a lot of people won't have the appetite for protest. However, there are so many new mistakes to be made in league one and to me, it looks like they have started making them. It is a hypothetical question and they won't change.
They won't change because they think it's us not them that are wrong. The sad thing is, I don't think they arrived with bad intentions towards the club - it's just that it's the perfect storm of people who do not have a freaking clue all turning up at the club at the same time, and appointing others who don't have a scooby.
Everybody makes mistakes, it's what they do about them is what counts. Making mistakes can sometimes lead to better and stronger things. So far, and I may be wrong here but, I'm not convinced the current regime recognise something is not quite right. I'm willing to be proved wrong.
What could they do to win me around ? Appoint a manager who knows what to do in the division we are in; do it soon; give him a reasonable player budget to try and get us promoted; slash the season ticket prices all around the ground and try and fill it with as many fans as possible.
I've always considered that a Roland Duchatelet who had a genuine football ambition alongside his intent to create a self-sufficient club would be a huge asset and a good fit for us.
The fact is though that he's had 2.5 years during which he's not only showed less than zero football ambition, he's stood by a CEO flailing in her inexperience and damaging the club through her stubborn refusal to acknowledge she needs help, he's promoted a man to COO who patently wants to battle the very supporters who rescued this club in the 80s/90s.
But the Interim CEO and the Pie Man are symptoms. RD doesn't give two sheds for Charlton Athletic or the hopes and dreams of its supporters. It is nothing more than a device for him and as a result there is nothing he could do to win me over now.
I will protest until he's gone or I've gone. And without wishing to be presumptuous, I think I speak for 2% of us when I say that.
Good post Rik, I honestly think it's a lot more than 2% now though.
RD thought he could dictate how Charlton would be run, contrary to conventional thinking, and everyone would follow if results on the pitch were good enough to keep the fans happy.
What RD will never realise if he didn't from the outset, is that there is heartbeat to a club like Charlton that you need to get in tune with if you want to make a success of it. I don't think RD could distinguish between a heartbeat and a microchip machine.
He thinks he just has to find a new button to press and everything will be on track.
He could, if he's got any sense, get some stability going, but that doesn't mean he's suddenly discovered the soul of the club and lost his instinct to do it his way when push comes to shove.
I don't think there is any way he could prove he has the interests of the club at heart unless he sacked all his appointments, provided a generous budget and appointed a respected CEO and manager for them to take all football discussions and spend it as they thought best.
Does not guarantee success by any stretch of the imagination, but at least we would be able to accept our fate with a degree of resignation because we could argue over the rights and wrongs of football based decisions, not the bumbling, irrational decisions of incompetent, football ignorant, fuckwits.
Reality is, why would he do that? His interests are not aligned with our interests, an owner needs to be first and foremost a fan.
Conclusion - f**k off and let someone else give us the soul of our club back.
I've always considered that a Roland Duchatelet who had a genuine football ambition alongside his intent to create a self-sufficient club would be a huge asset and a good fit for us.
The fact is though that he's had 2.5 years during which he's not only showed less than zero football ambition, he's stood by a CEO flailing in her inexperience and damaging the club through her stubborn refusal to acknowledge she needs help, he's promoted a man to COO who patently wants to battle the very supporters who rescued this club in the 80s/90s.
But the Interim CEO and the Pie Man are symptoms. RD doesn't give two sheds for Charlton Athletic or the hopes and dreams of its supporters. It is nothing more than a device for him and as a result there is nothing he could do to win me over now.
I will protest until he's gone or I've gone. And without wishing to be presumptuous, I think I speak for 2% of us when I say that.
Good post Rik, I honestly think it's a lot more than 2% now though.
Yeah I know, was being a tad sardonic
Isn't that still illegal ?
Or is that sodomy ? I get confused.
It's understandable. Both can be used to stick it up you.
Everybody makes mistakes, it's what they do about them is what counts. Making mistakes can sometimes lead to better and stronger things. So far, and I may be wrong here but, I'm not convinced the current regime recognise something is not quite right. I'm willing to be proved wrong.
What could they do to win me around ? Appoint a manager who knows what to do in the division we are in; do it soon; give him a reasonable player budget to try and get us promoted; slash the season ticket prices all around the ground and try and fill it with as many fans as possible.
But they're not making mistakes are they? This is the result of wilful management that doesn't understand the intrinsic relationship between a successful team and a successful business. It's not a mistake, it's what they intended to do - they just expected a different result. And they're continuing the same blind path by the sham of searching for a decent British manager they know very well won't accept the terms offered to them for - as Wilder proved - any amount of money.
They can apologise all they like. It carries the same weight as Roland pretending he was over to work with the fans then blanking CASTrust when they called his bluff.
"There will be no collaboration with them, now or in the future. They are the enemy of everything that Charlton has been and will be again. We must remove them, chairman Richard Murray and their other apologists before they destroy the club completely."
Recognition of the fact that things have gone badly wrong and they are at fault New CEO experienced in British football Richard Murray retiring from the board New SMT ditto New British manager who is in charge of recruitment and selection Other staff vacancies filled with appointments trusted by the manager and fans Intent shown by keeping the good members of the current squad and moving on the recruitment mistakes Making some good, british signings Genuine engagement with supporters groups Establish a "we are all in this together" and "Lets get back where we belong" atmosphere across Fans, players, staff and Directors
All of the above and positive performances on the pitch and I think that the majority of fans will fall into line. I probably would.
Is someone stopping him changing then?! Because there's no evidence so far. He's probably just rattled over the season ticket boycott and starting to panic a bit.
Everybody makes mistakes, it's what they do about them is what counts. Making mistakes can sometimes lead to better and stronger things. So far, and I may be wrong here but, I'm not convinced the current regime recognise something is not quite right. I'm willing to be proved wrong.
What could they do to win me around ? Appoint a manager who knows what to do in the division we are in; do it soon; give him a reasonable player budget to try and get us promoted; slash the season ticket prices all around the ground and try and fill it with as many fans as possible.
These aren't mistakes. People learn from mistakes. What we have is a blind arrogance from the owner who is convinced he can break the mould and that he always knows best despite overwhelming evidence otherwise. Always. Despite all that has happened, there is no indication of a change of direction. In fact, lately he has if anything grown more entrenched (as shown by his rambling Tuesday night attack of fans as Daisy's outburst at the conference).
Too much has happened. There is no going back as far as I am concerned.
If he admitted the mistakes he made, listens to advice from people who know, employs the right people and gets rid of Meire (her position is untenable) then acts positively to prove he has changed his strategy then and only then I would be willing to give him a chance.
I extremely dis-like them as people so I plain and simply don't want them to succeed at anything. They are not charlton and they collectively know f*ck all about football. They also have no passion to succeed within themselves. It's all for selfish un-football related reasons.
Has Roland Duchatelet ever genuinely celebrated a charlton goal? (pardew gif with Roland's head on it) Whether that's visible or just a euphoric feeling while he sits in his chair? No, is the inevitable answer.
It's not a case of forgiveness. They, simply are cretins. The extreme Hypotheticals are interesting to read because it judges whether or not it is personal, and or if possibly amendable.
...Words uttered to me yesterday I don't know who it was a lovely person that likes to see the best in people. (So please no insults towards an innocent question)
But this person also asked if he does change things (he meaning Roland) will the protestors back off and give him a chance?
I couldn't answer simply because I can't answer for everyone, but did wonder what the different individual responses would be. I for one will find it difficult to trust the regime and would worry that after fans back off things will fall apart again.
So if things do change (assuming it's not by selling the club)... What does it need to be and for how long in order for us to drop our gauntlets?
If and it is a very big if, we seem to have a decent recruitment policy and the team starts to perform next season, then a lot of the dissaffected fans will come back. For a lot of fans its about what goes on, on the pitch and have no interest in behind the scenes if the team perform. However, I don' think this regime will ever be trusted and the moments that results turn as they always will then those that have returned will again be unsatisfied.
There will always be a vociferous hard core, who will protest regardless of the performance on the pitch, until they sell up, but there prominence is as much determined by the results. IMO
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Rikofold summed it up perfectly.
What could they do to win me around ? Appoint a manager who knows what to do in the division we are in; do it soon; give him a reasonable player budget to try and get us promoted; slash the season ticket prices all around the ground and try and fill it with as many fans as possible.
Or is that sodomy ? I get confused.
What RD will never realise if he didn't from the outset, is that there is heartbeat to a club like Charlton that you need to get in tune with if you want to make a success of it. I don't think RD could distinguish between a heartbeat and a microchip machine.
He thinks he just has to find a new button to press and everything will be on track.
He could, if he's got any sense, get some stability going, but that doesn't mean he's suddenly discovered the soul of the club and lost his instinct to do it his way when push comes to shove.
I don't think there is any way he could prove he has the interests of the club at heart unless he sacked all his appointments, provided a generous budget and appointed a respected CEO and manager for them to take all football discussions and spend it as they thought best.
Does not guarantee success by any stretch of the imagination, but at least we would be able to accept our fate with a degree of resignation because we could argue over the rights and wrongs of football based decisions, not the bumbling, irrational decisions of incompetent, football ignorant, fuckwits.
Reality is, why would he do that? His interests are not aligned with our interests, an owner needs to be first and foremost a fan.
Conclusion - f**k off and let someone else give us the soul of our club back.
They can apologise all they like. It carries the same weight as Roland pretending he was over to work with the fans then blanking CASTrust when they called his bluff.
New CEO experienced in British football
Richard Murray retiring from the board
New SMT ditto
New British manager who is in charge of recruitment and selection
Other staff vacancies filled with appointments trusted by the manager and fans
Intent shown by keeping the good members of the current squad and moving on the recruitment mistakes
Making some good, british signings
Genuine engagement with supporters groups
Establish a "we are all in this together" and "Lets get back where we belong" atmosphere across Fans, players, staff and Directors
All of the above and positive performances on the pitch and I think that the majority of fans will fall into line. I probably would.
Because there's no evidence so far.
He's probably just rattled over the season ticket boycott and starting to panic a bit.
Too much has happened. There is no going back as far as I am concerned.
I'm not dropping my gauntlets for anyone ;-)
They also have no passion to succeed within themselves. It's all for selfish un-football related reasons.
Has Roland Duchatelet ever genuinely celebrated a charlton goal? (pardew gif with Roland's head on it) Whether that's visible or just a euphoric feeling while he sits in his chair? No, is the inevitable answer.
It's not a case of forgiveness. They, simply are cretins. The extreme Hypotheticals are interesting to read because it judges whether or not it is personal, and or if possibly amendable.
For me, it's personal and it just has to stop.
F*ck off Duchatelet you old wrinkly sh*t bag.
There will always be a vociferous hard core, who will protest regardless of the performance on the pitch, until they sell up, but there prominence is as much determined by the results. IMO