Struggling with D, E, H, I, J, K and Y, but I'm sure the good people of CL can come up with summing?
A = Any thing goes B = Bi C = Cottaging D = ? E = Everything (Incl. inanimate objects) F = Fingers (Woman off wrist) G= Gay H= ? I= ? J= ? K= ? L= Lesbien M= Men only N= Nothing O= Open minded P= Pansexual Q= Queer R= Rectum S= Single (Man/Woman off the wrist) T= Trans U= Undecided V= Veggie W= Women only X= XX Y= ? Z= Zooaphile
Amazing that someone writing homophobic comments on a thread about homophobia can't think of something beginning with "h".
Well this thread is more or less going as expected, but where is that bloke who always goes nuts at the mention of the proud valiants? I can't remember his name and I don't want to libel anyone by guessing, but you must know the one I mean.
Right, I just phoned up 3 gay blokes and 2 lezzas out me office and none of em found my post in the least bit homophobic so we can now put that one to bed once and for all.
@Chizz , being called boring deeply hurts my feeling. ALSO, on behalf of all the boring people in the world, I'M OFFENDED.
Well this thread is more or less going as expected, but where is that bloke who always goes nuts at the mention of the proud valiants? I can't remember his name and I don't want to libel anyone by guessing, but you must know the one I mean.
Smudge, to be fair he's doing the decent thing - if he knows his views are going to lead to drama, then giving the thread a wide berth is quite a wise choice. His original thread on the Proud Valiants was expressing disappointment with them for attending Gay Pride when the march had become viciously political by banning a UKIP LGBT group. (I am aware there were other posts in the super-injunction thread which has now been deleted though.)
In my mind, that was an understandable view point, albeit with the incorrect target; you can't demand inclusivity whilst banning those with different political leanings from your marches. The movement for LGBT rights and equality should transcend politics and just be a basic expectation from society regardless of your political ideology. I don't agree with politics being brought in to it whatsoever, wherever you lie in the political spectrum - respect for your sexual orientation and gender should be expected.
In fact, if UKIP was banned from the march due to suspicions of homophobia in the party, then those members of UKIP who were representing an LGBT group should've been embraced and held up as an example that your sexuality matters more than politics.
Struggling with D, E, H, I, J, K and Y, but I'm sure the good people of CL can come up with summing?
A = Any thing goes B = Bi C = Cottaging D = ? E = Everything (Incl. inanimate objects) F = Fingers (Woman off wrist) G= Gay H= ? I= ? J= ? K= ? L= Lesbien M= Men only N= Nothing O= Open minded P= Pansexual Q= Queer R= Rectum S= Single (Man/Woman off the wrist) T= Trans U= Undecided V= Veggie W= Women only X= XX Y= ? Z= Zooaphile
Surely B should be for bestiality (unfair to exclude those who love their animals) and P should be for polygamy which is practised by so many Moslem males. At the end of the day, all these labels are irrelevant, because if the Marxists get their way, gender fluidity will mean that we can be male in the morning, female in the afternoon and something else in the evening, and have a wonderfully varied sex life along the way.
1) As a Marxist that isn't on my agenda. I remember in Kapital where Marx...no never brought that up. 2) these labels are important because they acknowledge people, which has a huge power unto itself. 3) I'm going to give you the benefit of the doubt, but LBTBQ folks are often compared to people who conduct bestiality and pedophilia, and it's a terrible slur. It's like comparing black people to monkeys. Genuinely hope you didn't know this, but it's an incredibly bigoted thing to say. 4) I'd say that we're at best drawing with homophobia. To be honest, I'd have taken a draw if you'd offered it in advance.
Good points SDAddick, especially (3) - which I agree with completely. On the other hand, and completely sincerely without wishing to appear provocative or in disagreement, do you feel that the excessive labeling of groups (I'm thinking of the evolution from LGBT to LGBTAIQ+) is doing anyone any good?
Personally I find it quite frustrating as an onlooker, because although I don't think there should ever be a requirement for an umbrella term for what essentially boils down to "Don't be a dick (and/or vagina ) and treat everyone else with the respect you'd like to enjoy yourself.", I do appreciate that there may be a need for that term in the current climate. However, when the usage and meaning of that term begins to be the focus of the debate, then I can't help but fear it's actively facilitating the avoidance of the real issues.
A very good question and good point, and while nomenclature is a hugely powerful tool in recognizing a person or people's identity (which is why gender pronouns are so important to people), when the conversation or debate simply becomes about terminology for the sake of terminology, then yes it's become a bit self defeating.
Personally, I know people who fit into categories so easier to empathize and humanize these terms, when we talk about pansexuals I can say "oh, my friend Mike." That said, despite growing up with with two gay uncles, this wasn't always the case, and it wasn't until I was 25 and had moved to Florida that I met a transgender person, and saw the difficulty they had in being recognized for who they are. So I absolutely understand why this seems strange and pedantic to some. As @Davo55 brought up very humbly, it is confusing, and confusing people (aforementioned getting hung up in terminology) can keep the larger message from getting across--which you put very well.
Where I think there is value in identifying so many groups is to reinforce the fact that sexuality and gender are not binary, and give names, recognition, and power to groups of people who have existed for a long time without formally acknowledgement to further illustrate this.
The big, underlying point here (consciously and subconsciously) is to remove the stigma of "sexual deviant," and to "normalize" practices. Within this thread we've seen bestiality and age of consent being raised, the latter in particular having nothing to do with anything discussed. But it seems that when discussing different sexuality or gender models, conversation quickly seems to domino from consenting practices to criminal behavior.
In the end, yes, and I think there will be an umbrella term at some point, as one of the primary functions of language is to take complex concepts and simplify/over-simplify/bastardize/etc, them. And I do think that will be beneficial. But I think for now, with so much of this being so new in the public sphere, it's beneficial as teaching tool to call out so many groups.
Thanks for the well thought out reply, SDAddick.
That makes a lot of sense, I'd never really seen any advantage to having such a wide variety of labels for a sentiment that is as simplistic as treating others with respect and dignity - a sentiment I hope nearly everyone would agree on. However, as you point out - if by raising awareness it can act as an educational aid then that's a very useful advantage.
So basically, after all your waffle, you dont like Gays (amongst others!). Your arguments are like reading a rehash of 80's prejudices (and thank heavens they are now a minority view)- Some people are gay get over it!
Getting back to original post I am proud that this initiative is happening in our club. Good on you Valiants!
Queensland replies: How very predictable that I should be painted as being homophobic for pointing out basic biological facts. If I didn't like gays, I would have no problem admitting to that. I am many miles away and only a couple of people on this board know me personally. So you, or anyone else can call me homophobic, a bigot, a dinosaur, or any of the other insults people like yourself so readily throw about. The fact is, out of five very close friends that I have in this world, two are gay. They are the most honest, trustworthy, kindest and nicest people that I know. So your accusation is simply untrue, I like gay people, or at least the ones I know! What I don't like is the way this issue, and others have been hijacked by the left side of politics and by Marxists as a way of drastically changing society, and I'm not the only one. The following are the words of Catherine McGregor, Australia's most high profile transgender person, who wrote this in an article only last week:
Catherine McGregor, Australia’s most senior ranking transgender military officer until she retired this year, explains why she won’t support the Safe School program.
But I do not support the Safe Schools program as the best way to support trans kids. I had been asked to be an Ambassador for the program and had initially agreed.
But when I learnt more about the political leanings of Roz Ward, whose role in Safe Schools is pivotal, I simply could not countenance it. She is a committed Trotskyite, who believes in the overthrow of the capitalist system and has expressed her contempt for the Australian Defence Force, to which I belonged for nearly four decades.
When I perused Red Flag, the online voice of Socialist Alternative, I could not find a single major issue upon which I could agree with them.
None of this gave me any joy. I risk hurting the feelings of some wonderful parents with wonderful trans kids. But I am more than my gender and that portion of the Left with which Ward is aligned sickens me nearly as much as the ratbags of Reclaim Australia.
Moreover, Safe Schools teaches a derivative of Queer Theory, which I believe leads trans people into a blind alley. Most of us transition because gender is important to us and we feel torn between our anatomy and our psychology. Being told to live genderless would have killed me just as certainly as saying the Rosary to feel happily male.
In adopting this position I have alienated people for whom I feel enormous respect and become an unwitting ally of some who despise me. But back on Australia Day 2012 I chose to live an authentic life. I rejected an identity handed to me by others. I am not going to have another one foisted upon me now. Our schools must be safe for all our kids. Decent teachers and parents, not Trotskyites, can ensure that.
I don't care what you think, and nor do the people whose reality you feel you can dismiss.
I know I can't and won't convince you to change your mind, so I won't bother. What I will say is that homosexuality (not to be confused with pedestery) and gender fluidity (See the "Seer" Tyresius, lauded for his wisdom in ancient Greece because he lived as both a man and a woman) are older than Jesus, older than any western stories or mythologies you can think of.
Queensland Addick replied,
No you won't convince me and I know that I will never convince you. But unlike you, I do care about what you think, as I think these things need to be debated, without instantly throwing out insults such as "homophobe, or bigot" which seems to be the default mechanism of the left to anyone who questions their ideology. For the record I am not dismissing anyone. I am simply stating irrefutable biological facts. The 1 in 4500 Intersex newborns is open to debate, the others are not. This is about observable truths, which is something that the radical left are in the process of trying to destroy. A 5'6" Caucasian may want want to identify as being a 6'4" Asian with blonde hair, but the observable truth is, and always will be, that he is a short white male. We do not live in a world of make believe where people can be whatever they want to be, just by identifying that way. Your side of politics has done a great job getting the debate to this stage, but eventually observable truths will prevail and things will be what they really are, rather than what some people would like them to be. As for homophobia, yes it was very prevelent 20 years ago but I no longer see it as being the massive issue it is currently being portrayed as being in the Western world. The current campaign would be better directed to the Moslem world where gays are being persecuted and thrown off tall buildings, that is where you see the true homophobia, not in workplaces around the Uk or at the Valley, although there has been a fair amount of xenophobia there recently! The very fact that the Moslem religion is not being targeted specifically by this campaign only strengthens my belief that the real, hidden, motive behind this LGBTI movement is to attempt to impose a new encompassing, radical, political ideology on Western society, to create not only a classless society but also a sexless one.
I don't care what you think, and nor do the people whose reality you feel you can dismiss.
I know I can't and won't convince you to change your mind, so I won't bother. What I will say is that homosexuality (not to be confused with pedestery) and gender fluidity (See the "Seer" Tyresius, lauded for his wisdom in ancient Greece because he lived as both a man and a woman) are older than Jesus, older than any western stories or mythologies you can think of.
Queensland Addick replied,
No you won't convince me and I know that I will never convince you. But unlike you, I do care about what you think, as I think these things need to be debated, without instantly throwing out insults such as "homophobe, or bigot" which seems to be the default mechanism of the left to anyone who questions their ideology. For the record I am not dismissing anyone. I am simply stating irrefutable biological facts. The 1 in 4500 Intersex newborns is open to debate, the others are not. This is about observable truths, which is something that the radical left are in the process of trying to destroy. A 5'6" Caucasian may want want to identify as being a 6'4" Asian with blonde hair, but the observable truth is, and always will be, that he is a short white male. We do not live in a world of make believe where people can be whatever they want to be, just by identifying that way. Your side of politics has done a great job getting the debate to this stage, but eventually observable truths will prevail and things will be what they really are, rather than what some people would like them to be. As for homophobia, yes it was very prevelent 20 years ago but I no longer see it as being the massive issue it is currently being portrayed as being in the Western world. The current campaign would be better directed to the Moslem world where gays are being persecuted and thrown off tall buildings, that is where you see the true homophobia, not in workplaces around the Uk or at the Valley, although there has been a fair amount of xenophobia there recently! The very fact that the Moslem religion is not being targeted specifically by this campaign only strengthens my belief that the real, hidden, motive behind this LGBTI movement is to attempt to impose a new encompassing, radical, political ideology on Western society, to create not only a classless society but also a sexless one.
So basically, after all your waffle, you dont like Gays (amongst others!). Your arguments are like reading a rehash of 80's prejudices (and thank heavens they are now a minority view)- Some people are gay get over it!
Getting back to original post I am proud that this initiative is happening in our club. Good on you Valiants!
Queensland replies: How very predictable that I should be painted as being homophobic for pointing out basic biological facts. If I didn't like gays, I would have no problem admitting to that. I am many miles away and only a couple of people on this board know me personally. So you, or anyone else can call me homophobic, a bigot, a dinosaur, or any of the other insults people like yourself so readily throw about. The fact is, out of five very close friends that I have in this world, two are gay. They are the most honest, trustworthy, kindest and nicest people that I know. So your accusation is simply untrue, I like gay people, or at least the ones I know! What I don't like is the way this issue, and others have been hijacked by the left side of politics and by Marxists as a way of drastically changing society, and I'm not the only one. The following are the words of Catherine McGregor, Australia's most high profile transgender person, who wrote this in an article only last week:
Catherine McGregor, Australia’s most senior ranking transgender military officer until she retired this year, explains why she won’t support the Safe School program.
But I do not support the Safe Schools program as the best way to support trans kids. I had been asked to be an Ambassador for the program and had initially agreed.
But when I learnt more about the political leanings of Roz Ward, whose role in Safe Schools is pivotal, I simply could not countenance it. She is a committed Trotskyite, who believes in the overthrow of the capitalist system and has expressed her contempt for the Australian Defence Force, to which I belonged for nearly four decades.
When I perused Red Flag, the online voice of Socialist Alternative, I could not find a single major issue upon which I could agree with them.
None of this gave me any joy. I risk hurting the feelings of some wonderful parents with wonderful trans kids. But I am more than my gender and that portion of the Left with which Ward is aligned sickens me nearly as much as the ratbags of Reclaim Australia.
Moreover, Safe Schools teaches a derivative of Queer Theory, which I believe leads trans people into a blind alley. Most of us transition because gender is important to us and we feel torn between our anatomy and our psychology. Being told to live genderless would have killed me just as certainly as saying the Rosary to feel happily male.
In adopting this position I have alienated people for whom I feel enormous respect and become an unwitting ally of some who despise me. But back on Australia Day 2012 I chose to live an authentic life. I rejected an identity handed to me by others. I am not going to have another one foisted upon me now. Our schools must be safe for all our kids. Decent teachers and parents, not Trotskyites, can ensure that.
This was a thread about an initiative to combat homophobia in football.
You chose to link the thread to obscure antipodean educational initiatives and banging on about Marxists and protecting children! If anyone has hijacked the issue it is yourself.......and taken it back to the 80's!
By the way it may come as a shock but gay people can be Tories and UKIP supporters and many probably don't give a toss about politics - being against homophobia is not a preserve of " the left" - In case you missed it, the right to Gay marriage was Tory legislation with cross party support.
This was a thread about an initiative to combat homophobia in football.
You chose to link the thread to obscure antipodean educational initiatives and banging on about Marxists and protecting children! If anyone has hijacked the issue it is yourself.......and taken it back to the 80's!
By the way it may come as a shock but gay people can be Tories and UKIP supporters and many probably don't give a toss about politics - being against homophobia is not a preserve of " the left" - In case you missed it, the right to Gay marriage was Tory legislation with cross party support.
Queensland Addick replies
Apologies for hijacking a thread about homophobia towards LGBTI people, by discussing the LGBTI movement.
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J= Jizz
cheers Chizz
Thanks for the flag, b_o_r_i_n_g.
@Chizz , being called boring deeply hurts my feeling. ALSO, on behalf of all the boring people in the world, I'M OFFENDED.
Fuckin livid
http://www.cafc.co.uk/news/article/charlton-athletic-vs-homophobia-gallery-3123425.aspx
In my mind, that was an understandable view point, albeit with the incorrect target; you can't demand inclusivity whilst banning those with different political leanings from your marches. The movement for LGBT rights and equality should transcend politics and just be a basic expectation from society regardless of your political ideology. I don't agree with politics being brought in to it whatsoever, wherever you lie in the political spectrum - respect for your sexual orientation and gender should be expected.
In fact, if UKIP was banned from the march due to suspicions of homophobia in the party, then those members of UKIP who were representing an LGBT group should've been embraced and held up as an example that your sexuality matters more than politics.
That makes a lot of sense, I'd never really seen any advantage to having such a wide variety of labels for a sentiment that is as simplistic as treating others with respect and dignity - a sentiment I hope nearly everyone would agree on. However, as you point out - if by raising awareness it can act as an educational aid then that's a very useful advantage.
So basically, after all your waffle, you dont like Gays (amongst others!). Your arguments are like reading a rehash of 80's prejudices (and thank heavens they are now a minority view)- Some people are gay get over it!
Getting back to original post I am proud that this initiative is happening in our club. Good on you Valiants!
Queensland replies:
How very predictable that I should be painted as being homophobic for pointing out basic biological facts. If I didn't like gays, I would have no problem admitting to that. I am many miles away and only a couple of people on this board know me personally. So you, or anyone else can call me homophobic, a bigot, a dinosaur, or any of the other insults people like yourself so readily throw about. The fact is, out of five very close friends that I have in this world, two are gay. They are the most honest, trustworthy, kindest and nicest people that I know. So your accusation is simply untrue, I like gay people, or at least the ones I know!
What I don't like is the way this issue, and others have been hijacked by the left side of politics and by Marxists as a way of drastically changing society, and I'm not the only one. The following are the words of Catherine McGregor, Australia's most high profile transgender person, who wrote this in an article only last week:
Catherine McGregor, Australia’s most senior ranking transgender military officer until she retired this year, explains why she won’t support the Safe School program.
But I do not support the Safe Schools program as the best way to support trans kids. I had been asked to be an Ambassador for the program and had initially agreed.
But when I learnt more about the political leanings of Roz Ward, whose role in Safe Schools is pivotal, I simply could not countenance it. She is a committed Trotskyite, who believes in the overthrow of the capitalist system and has expressed her contempt for the Australian Defence Force, to which I belonged for nearly four decades.
When I perused Red Flag, the online voice of Socialist Alternative, I could not find a single major issue upon which I could agree with them.
None of this gave me any joy. I risk hurting the feelings of some wonderful parents with wonderful trans kids. But I am more than my gender and that portion of the Left with which Ward is aligned sickens me nearly as much as the ratbags of Reclaim Australia.
Moreover, Safe Schools teaches a derivative of Queer Theory, which I believe leads trans people into a blind alley. Most of us transition because gender is important to us and we feel torn between our anatomy and our psychology. Being told to live genderless would have killed me just as certainly as saying the Rosary to feel happily male.
In adopting this position I have alienated people for whom I feel enormous respect and become an unwitting ally of some who despise me. But back on Australia Day 2012 I chose to live an authentic life. I rejected an identity handed to me by others. I am not going to have another one foisted upon me now.
Our schools must be safe for all our kids. Decent teachers and parents, not Trotskyites, can ensure that.
I don't care what you think, and nor do the people whose reality you feel you can dismiss.
I know I can't and won't convince you to change your mind, so I won't bother. What I will say is that homosexuality (not to be confused with pedestery) and gender fluidity (See the "Seer" Tyresius, lauded for his wisdom in ancient Greece because he lived as both a man and a woman) are older than Jesus, older than any western stories or mythologies you can think of.
Queensland Addick replied,
No you won't convince me and I know that I will never convince you. But unlike you, I do care about what you think, as I think these things need to be debated, without instantly throwing out insults such as "homophobe, or bigot" which seems to be the default mechanism of the left to anyone who questions their ideology. For the record I am not dismissing anyone. I am simply stating irrefutable biological facts. The 1 in 4500 Intersex newborns is open to debate, the others are not. This is about observable truths, which is something that the radical left are in the process of trying to destroy. A 5'6" Caucasian may want want to identify as being a 6'4" Asian with blonde hair, but the observable truth is, and always will be, that he is a short white male.
We do not live in a world of make believe where people can be whatever they want to be, just by identifying that way. Your side of politics has done a great job getting the debate to this stage, but eventually observable truths will prevail and things will be what they really are, rather than what some people would like them to be.
As for homophobia, yes it was very prevelent 20 years ago but I no longer see it as being the massive issue it is currently being portrayed as being in the Western world. The current campaign would be better directed to the Moslem world where gays are being persecuted and thrown off tall buildings, that is where you see the true homophobia, not in workplaces around the Uk or at the Valley, although there has been a fair amount of xenophobia there recently!
The very fact that the Moslem religion is not being targeted specifically by this campaign only strengthens my belief that the real, hidden, motive behind this LGBTI movement is to attempt to impose a new encompassing, radical, political ideology on Western society, to create not only a classless society but also a sexless one.
I know I can't and won't convince you to change your mind, so I won't bother. What I will say is that homosexuality (not to be confused with pedestery) and gender fluidity (See the "Seer" Tyresius, lauded for his wisdom in ancient Greece because he lived as both a man and a woman) are older than Jesus, older than any western stories or mythologies you can think of.
Queensland Addick replied,
No you won't convince me and I know that I will never convince you. But unlike you, I do care about what you think, as I think these things need to be debated, without instantly throwing out insults such as "homophobe, or bigot" which seems to be the default mechanism of the left to anyone who questions their ideology. For the record I am not dismissing anyone. I am simply stating irrefutable biological facts. The 1 in 4500 Intersex newborns is open to debate, the others are not. This is about observable truths, which is something that the radical left are in the process of trying to destroy. A 5'6" Caucasian may want want to identify as being a 6'4" Asian with blonde hair, but the observable truth is, and always will be, that he is a short white male.
We do not live in a world of make believe where people can be whatever they want to be, just by identifying that way. Your side of politics has done a great job getting the debate to this stage, but eventually observable truths will prevail and things will be what they really are, rather than what some people would like them to be.
As for homophobia, yes it was very prevelent 20 years ago but I no longer see it as being the massive issue it is currently being portrayed as being in the Western world. The current campaign would be better directed to the Moslem world where gays are being persecuted and thrown off tall buildings, that is where you see the true homophobia, not in workplaces around the Uk or at the Valley, although there has been a fair amount of xenophobia there recently!
The very fact that the Moslem religion is not being targeted specifically by this campaign only strengthens my belief that the real, hidden, motive behind this LGBTI movement is to attempt to impose a new encompassing, radical, political ideology on Western society, to create not only a classless society but also a sexless one.
5'6" isn't that short!
Would love to know how much they were charged to hire the pitch and facilities.....
And a shame it was never widened out as we would happily have got a team together and made it a 4-team tournament
How very predictable that I should be painted as being homophobic for pointing out basic biological facts. If I didn't like gays, I would have no problem admitting to that. I am many miles away and only a couple of people on this board know me personally. So you, or anyone else can call me homophobic, a bigot, a dinosaur, or any of the other insults people like yourself so readily throw about. The fact is, out of five very close friends that I have in this world, two are gay. They are the most honest, trustworthy, kindest and nicest people that I know. So your accusation is simply untrue, I like gay people, or at least the ones I know!
What I don't like is the way this issue, and others have been hijacked by the left side of politics and by Marxists as a way of drastically changing society, and I'm not the only one. The following are the words of Catherine McGregor, Australia's most high profile transgender person, who wrote this in an article only last week:
Catherine McGregor, Australia’s most senior ranking transgender military officer until she retired this year, explains why she won’t support the Safe School program.
But I do not support the Safe Schools program as the best way to support trans kids. I had been asked to be an Ambassador for the program and had initially agreed.
But when I learnt more about the political leanings of Roz Ward, whose role in Safe Schools is pivotal, I simply could not countenance it. She is a committed Trotskyite, who believes in the overthrow of the capitalist system and has expressed her contempt for the Australian Defence Force, to which I belonged for nearly four decades.
When I perused Red Flag, the online voice of Socialist Alternative, I could not find a single major issue upon which I could agree with them.
None of this gave me any joy. I risk hurting the feelings of some wonderful parents with wonderful trans kids. But I am more than my gender and that portion of the Left with which Ward is aligned sickens me nearly as much as the ratbags of Reclaim Australia.
Moreover, Safe Schools teaches a derivative of Queer Theory, which I believe leads trans people into a blind alley. Most of us transition because gender is important to us and we feel torn between our anatomy and our psychology. Being told to live genderless would have killed me just as certainly as saying the Rosary to feel happily male.
In adopting this position I have alienated people for whom I feel enormous respect and become an unwitting ally of some who despise me. But back on Australia Day 2012 I chose to live an authentic life. I rejected an identity handed to me by others. I am not going to have another one foisted upon me now.
Our schools must be safe for all our kids. Decent teachers and parents, not Trotskyites, can ensure that.
This was a thread about an initiative to combat homophobia in football.
You chose to link the thread to obscure antipodean educational initiatives and banging on about Marxists and protecting children! If anyone has hijacked the issue it is yourself.......and taken it back to the 80's!
By the way it may come as a shock but gay people can be Tories and UKIP supporters and many probably don't give a toss about politics - being against homophobia is not a preserve of " the left" - In case you missed it, the right to Gay marriage was Tory legislation with cross party support.
This was a thread about an initiative to combat homophobia in football.
You chose to link the thread to obscure antipodean educational initiatives and banging on about Marxists and protecting children! If anyone has hijacked the issue it is yourself.......and taken it back to the 80's!
By the way it may come as a shock but gay people can be Tories and UKIP supporters and many probably don't give a toss about politics - being against homophobia is not a preserve of " the left" - In case you missed it, the right to Gay marriage was Tory legislation with cross party support.
Queensland Addick replies
Apologies for hijacking a thread about homophobia towards LGBTI people, by discussing the LGBTI movement.