Not sure it will happen on that basis - there MUST be more than 8 teams where losing x 8 gate revenues would place them in a parlous position.
What would make more sense would be to have a Laegue Two (North) and League Two (South) bringing in the Conference (or whatever its called these days) in the process. And then have further promotions/relegations from each of these into existing regional leagues as appropriate.
But the leave the remainder intact.
They'd only lose revenue from four home games, not eight. In some ways they would gain because you can guarantee no reduction in season ticket prices, so they get the same revenue from them with lower costs. Ancillary revenue would drop, but it is relatively trivial anyway. There has been a marked decline in midweek ticket sales at Charlton relative to weekend games.
However, I'd be surprised if these factors were enough to convince most clubs - and they'd only arrange more cup matches to try to make the schedule up.
Not sure it will happen on that basis - there MUST be more than 8 teams where losing x 8 gate revenues would place them in a parlous position.
What would make more sense would be to have a Laegue Two (North) and League Two (South) bringing in the Conference (or whatever its called these days) in the process. And then have further promotions/relegations from each of these into existing regional leagues as appropriate.
But the leave the remainder intact.
They'd only lose revenue from four home games, not eight. In some ways they would gain because you can guarantee no reduction in season ticket prices, so they get the same revenue from them with lower costs. Ancillary revenue would drop, but it is relatively trivial anyway. There has been a marked decline in midweek ticket sales at Charlton relative to weekend games.
However, I'd be surprised if these factors were enough to convince most clubs - and they'd only arrange more cup matches to try to make the schedule up.
But then the whole argument for it providing clubs with more of a rest from the hectic schedule is flawed?
Lastly, personally, I enjoy midweek games under the lights, they're often VERY atmospheric.
I see your comment and raise you Rochdale at home on a Tuesday night in February in 2012. 1-1. Dreadful football.
Joking aside, I do like the fixtures under lights, though you seem to get them from November through to around February during the second half of the 3pm kickoffs. Clearly they won't go away completely, just be more rare. I also think it *might* make those Tuesday/Wednesday night cup fixtures feel a bit more special, especially when they're not crammed between league fixtures the preceding and following Tuesdays.
Not sure it will happen on that basis - there MUST be more than 8 teams where losing x 8 gate revenues would place them in a parlous position.
What would make more sense would be to have a Laegue Two (North) and League Two (South) bringing in the Conference (or whatever its called these days) in the process. And then have further promotions/relegations from each of these into existing regional leagues as appropriate.
But the leave the remainder intact.
They'd only lose revenue from four home games, not eight. In some ways they would gain because you can guarantee no reduction in season ticket prices, so they get the same revenue from them with lower costs. Ancillary revenue would drop, but it is relatively trivial anyway. There has been a marked decline in midweek ticket sales at Charlton relative to weekend games.
However, I'd be surprised if these factors were enough to convince most clubs - and they'd only arrange more cup matches to try to make the schedule up.
Precisely, season tickets would stay the same, or maybe a token £20 reduction
I can imagine midweek games, with pitiful away support and fewer home sales on the day barely breaking even
And maybe, with fewer midweek games, teams would take the existing cup competitions more seriously?
All of the fixture congestion stems from the greed of the big clubs & tv companies.
Hmm...lets change the formats of the European Cup & UEFA Cup to make them run even longer. Think of the financial rewards!
Then complain that there are too many games.
For me, I think this smacks of sucking up to the Premier league, or the Premier league have gently suggested that this kind of change would be good. I wouldn't be surprised to see the 'b teams come into the fold.
With a 90% vote required to implement changes, I can't see it happening, even though I personally am generally in favour of the proposal, with reservations.
If it's been instigated by the Premier League, which I somehow doubt, perhaps they could offer just a few of their many, many millions of pounds to the FL clubs who would be losing out on matchday income.
I do see this as a possible precursor to a Premier League 2 scenario, especially as the FA and EPL have commented that it would be of benefit internationally, reading between the lines that means that with too many foreigners in the Premier League, a reduced second division would be the ideal place for many current and potential England international players.
As for B teams, I don't believe there's any chance of the vote being carried if they were to be included so I reckon this won't be a part of any proposal.......for now!
Instead of worrying about another division, this individual needs to first of all review the fit and proper owner listings, before there are more owners with no idea from us, Leeds, Forest, Blackpool and Blackburn.
Still the same individual thought the Burnley game went smoothly with no incidents so he needs to take his blinkers off first
If this doesn’t work, I think we should be even more aggressive with restructuring of the game.
For a start eleven players are too many so drop down to ten, change the name of the goalkeeper to ‘catcher’ and have two of them. Rather than having the midfield run about all game put three of them on 125cc motorbikes and the rest of the team on roller-skates.
And the kits (or uniform if you like) need changing. I’m thinking studded motorbike helmet with face guard, Ice hockey pads, leather trousers and spiked leather gloves.
I like the spherical nature of the ball but it’s too big, I suggest shrinking it to three and a half inches in diameter and making it out of steel and weighing in at around twenty pounds. The ball can then be fired at 135 miles per hour from a pneumatic cannon.
The pitch could be made in to a sort of circular velodrome 175 feet across and the ball can be fired clockwise around the pitch (or track may be a better description).
The goals can be reduced in size to eight by four feet and to make up for the smaller size they can be magnetised in order to ‘catch’ the ball when it is thrown goal-ward (throwing makes more sense as everyone is on roller-skates).
I haven’t quite ironed out all the rules yet but I think this could come to pass in a not too distant, dystopian future, definitely by the year 2018 I would think.
ffs leave it alone, fixture congestion isnt the problem in the pl, it is moving games so they fit in with the tv schedule, modern football in england is becoming a farce you have them letting knobheads that are in it for the financial gain owning football clubs who dont give a shit about the club its fans or its heritage, then wanting to add extra leagues to ease fixture congestion.
I can see my previous thoughts might have been a bit radical so why not keep the rules the same but change the league structure further still. Instead of five divisions of twenty – ten divisions of ten.
The top three teams win promotion and the next four go in to a playoff for a single additional promotion spot. The bottom three are relegated and the 7th, 6th, 5th and 4th place teams enter a playoff for a further relegation spot. Meaning that all teams are involved right up to the end.
With all the mid-table involved in simultaneous promotion and relegation playoffs there is the possibility that a team can be promoted and relegated at the same time meaning that their B-Team can enter the league below whilst the A-Team play in the league above.
If any team is running away with their league and so have nothing to play for they are entered in to a mini super league with clubs invited from MLS USA, the J-League and an international all-star eleven made up of retired Galacticos, managed by Eric Cantona.
The overall winners of the league are given the title ‘Barcelona’ should there be two teams that tie at the top of the league they are declared Barcelona of the North or Barcelona of the South depending on where they are geographically. If two teams from the same city tie, one is called Barcelona and the other Real Madrid. This title is handed back at the end of the following season. Should a team win the league three times in a row they are given the title ‘Real Manchesterlona City’ and are allowed to have a little star put above their badge on their kit. This star remains on their kit and should be worn even if this honour happened over a century ago, just like the England football team and Huddersfield.
In future Leicester are not allowed to win the title because no one from fleet street supports them and it messes up Sky TV’s scheduling – apart from when the league are selling TV rights in Thailand where Leicester are declared league champions every year no matter where they place.
Instead of regionalising the lower leagues, all places people do not really like to go to are put into a league of their own – I’m thinking grim industrial mill towns, anywhere on the edge of the country. Eg: too far north, too far west, anywhere with more than two syllables in its name, the Isle of Sheppey (should they ever progress up the leagues), anywhere 'they talk funny' and anyone who wears a football shirt that combines the colours blue with red into an epilepsy inducing mess.
I’ve just run this past my ten-year-old son with ADHD and when I could get him off of his X-Box for thirty seconds he said he thinks it’s a great idea.
I can see my previous thoughts might have been a bit radical so why not keep the rules the same but change the league structure further still. Instead of five divisions of twenty – ten divisions of ten.
The top three teams win promotion and the next four go in to a playoff for a single additional promotion spot. The bottom three are relegated and the 7th, 6th, 5th and 4th place teams enter a playoff for a further relegation spot. Meaning that all teams are involved right up to the end.
With all the mid-table involved in simultaneous promotion and relegation playoffs there is the possibility that a team can be promoted and relegated at the same time meaning that their B-Team can enter the league below whilst the A-Team play in the league above.
If any team is running away with their league and so have nothing to play for they are entered in to a mini super league with clubs invited from MLS USA, the J-League and an international all-star eleven made up of retired Galacticos, managed by Eric Cantona.
The overall winners of the league are given the title ‘Barcelona’ should there be two teams that tie at the top of the league they are declared Barcelona of the North or Barcelona of the South depending on where they are geographically. If two teams from the same city tie, one is called Barcelona and the other Real Madrid. This title is handed back at the end of the following season. Should a team win the league three times in a row they are given the title ‘Real Manchesterlona City’ and are allowed to have a little star put above their badge on their kit. This star remains on their kit and should be worn even if this honour happened over a century ago, just like the England football team and Huddersfield.
In future Leicester are not allowed to win the title because no one from fleet street supports them and it messes up Sky TV’s scheduling – apart from when the league are selling TV rights in Thailand where Leicester are declared league champions every year no matter where they place.
Instead of regionalising the lower leagues, all places people do not really like to go to are put into a league of their own – I’m thinking grim industrial mill towns, anywhere on the edge of the country. Eg: too far north, too far west, anywhere with more than two syllables in its name, the Isle of Sheppey (should they ever progress up the leagues), anywhere 'they talk funny' and anyone who wears a football shirt that combines the colours blue with red into an epilepsy inducing mess.
I’ve just run this past my ten-year-old son with ADHD and when I could get him off of his X-Box for thirty seconds he said he thinks it’s a great idea.
Great idea but what about those who lose the Play-Offs... Surely they deserve a second chance of glory in a second knock-out Competition with the winners of that taking the title: Sevilla!!
It's not such a bad idea. There's no question that interest in midweek games is dwindling, even for 'routine' premiership games (at Arsenal this season there have been plenty of empty seats for games like West Brom at home). I'd happily lose a few of them, but i'm biased as I don't live in SE London. And midweek aways pretty much out of the question unless a short trip.
The extra 8 clubs would be existing Conference, and plenty of those are already full-time professional, so no real change there (though there's always a chance Rangers/celtic use the re-org to try & enter the English system).
Revenue implications unclear, but I suspect not dramatic...
Not sure it will happen on that basis - there MUST be more than 8 teams where losing x 8 gate revenues would place them in a parlous position.
What would make more sense would be to have a Laegue Two (North) and League Two (South) bringing in the Conference (or whatever its called these days) in the process. And then have further promotions/relegations from each of these into existing regional leagues as appropriate.
But the leave the remainder intact.
They'd only lose revenue from four home games, not eight. In some ways they would gain because you can guarantee no reduction in season ticket prices, so they get the same revenue from them with lower costs. Ancillary revenue would drop, but it is relatively trivial anyway. There has been a marked decline in midweek ticket sales at Charlton relative to weekend games.
However, I'd be surprised if these factors were enough to convince most clubs - and they'd only arrange more cup matches to try to make the schedule up.
Appears they are already talking about it including a group phase for the JPT, FFS.
It's not such a bad idea. There's no question that interest in midweek games is dwindling, even for 'routine' premiership games (at Arsenal this season there have been plenty of empty seats for games like West Brom at home). I'd happily lose a few of them, but i'm biased as I don't live in SE London. And midweek aways pretty much out of the question unless a short trip.
The extra 8 clubs would be existing Conference, and plenty of those are already full-time professional, so no real change there (though there's always a chance Rangers/celtic use the re-org to try & enter the English system).
Revenue implications unclear, but I suspect not dramatic...
If Celtic and Rangers were to enter our league at what level should they start?
I say at the bottom and see how enthusiastic they are then.
It's not such a bad idea. There's no question that interest in midweek games is dwindling, even for 'routine' premiership games (at Arsenal this season there have been plenty of empty seats for games like West Brom at home). I'd happily lose a few of them, but i'm biased as I don't live in SE London. And midweek aways pretty much out of the question unless a short trip.
The extra 8 clubs would be existing Conference, and plenty of those are already full-time professional, so no real change there (though there's always a chance Rangers/celtic use the re-org to try & enter the English system).
Revenue implications unclear, but I suspect not dramatic...
If Celtic and Rangers were to enter our league at what level should they start?
I say at the bottom and see how enthusiastic they are then.
Didn't Rangers try that when they were relegated to the Scottish League Two yet no League would take them?
I can see my previous thoughts might have been a bit radical so why not keep the rules the same but change the league structure further still. Instead of five divisions of twenty – ten divisions of ten.
The top three teams win promotion and the next four go in to a playoff for a single additional promotion spot. The bottom three are relegated and the 7th, 6th, 5th and 4th place teams enter a playoff for a further relegation spot. Meaning that all teams are involved right up to the end.
With all the mid-table involved in simultaneous promotion and relegation playoffs there is the possibility that a team can be promoted and relegated at the same time meaning that their B-Team can enter the league below whilst the A-Team play in the league above.
If any team is running away with their league and so have nothing to play for they are entered in to a mini super league with clubs invited from MLS USA, the J-League and an international all-star eleven made up of retired Galacticos, managed by Eric Cantona.
The overall winners of the league are given the title ‘Barcelona’ should there be two teams that tie at the top of the league they are declared Barcelona of the North or Barcelona of the South depending on where they are geographically. If two teams from the same city tie, one is called Barcelona and the other Real Madrid. This title is handed back at the end of the following season. Should a team win the league three times in a row they are given the title ‘Real Manchesterlona City’ and are allowed to have a little star put above their badge on their kit. This star remains on their kit and should be worn even if this honour happened over a century ago, just like the England football team and Huddersfield.
In future Leicester are not allowed to win the title because no one from fleet street supports them and it messes up Sky TV’s scheduling – apart from when the league are selling TV rights in Thailand where Leicester are declared league champions every year no matter where they place.
Instead of regionalising the lower leagues, all places people do not really like to go to are put into a league of their own – I’m thinking grim industrial mill towns, anywhere on the edge of the country. Eg: too far north, too far west, anywhere with more than two syllables in its name, the Isle of Sheppey (should they ever progress up the leagues), anywhere 'they talk funny' and anyone who wears a football shirt that combines the colours blue with red into an epilepsy inducing mess.
I’ve just run this past my ten-year-old son with ADHD and when I could get him off of his X-Box for thirty seconds he said he thinks it’s a great idea.
I like this idea, though it's a bit harsh on Dagenham & Redbridge
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Without the premier league B teams, it sounds sensible, with them, it is a shocker.
Maybe West Ham B Could ground share with us as they wont be able to play at the Olympic stadium due to its existing commitments?
Getting a bit angry now.
However, I'd be surprised if these factors were enough to convince most clubs - and they'd only arrange more cup matches to try to make the schedule up.
Hmmm a unique product. I thought katrien has been quiet for a few days.
Joking aside, I do like the fixtures under lights, though you seem to get them from November through to around February during the second half of the 3pm kickoffs. Clearly they won't go away completely, just be more rare. I also think it *might* make those Tuesday/Wednesday night cup fixtures feel a bit more special, especially when they're not crammed between league fixtures the preceding and following Tuesdays.
I can imagine midweek games, with pitiful away support and fewer home sales on the day barely breaking even
And maybe, with fewer midweek games, teams would take the existing cup competitions more seriously?
Hmm...lets change the formats of the European Cup & UEFA Cup to make them run even longer. Think of the financial rewards!
Then complain that there are too many games.
For me, I think this smacks of sucking up to the Premier league, or the Premier league have gently suggested that this kind of change would be good.
I wouldn't be surprised to see the 'b teams come into the fold.
If it's been instigated by the Premier League, which I somehow doubt, perhaps they could offer just a few of their many, many millions of pounds to the FL clubs who would be losing out on matchday income.
I do see this as a possible precursor to a Premier League 2 scenario, especially as the FA and EPL have commented that it would be of benefit internationally, reading between the lines that means that with too many foreigners in the Premier League, a reduced second division would be the ideal place for many current and potential England international players.
As for B teams, I don't believe there's any chance of the vote being carried if they were to be included so I reckon this won't be a part of any proposal.......for now!
Still the same individual thought the Burnley game went smoothly with no incidents so he needs to take his blinkers off first
For a start eleven players are too many so drop down to ten, change the name of the goalkeeper to ‘catcher’ and have two of them. Rather than having the midfield run about all game put three of them on 125cc motorbikes and the rest of the team on roller-skates.
And the kits (or uniform if you like) need changing. I’m thinking studded motorbike helmet with face guard, Ice hockey pads, leather trousers and spiked leather gloves.
I like the spherical nature of the ball but it’s too big, I suggest shrinking it to three and a half inches in diameter and making it out of steel and weighing in at around twenty pounds. The ball can then be fired at 135 miles per hour from a pneumatic cannon.
The pitch could be made in to a sort of circular velodrome 175 feet across and the ball can be fired clockwise around the pitch (or track may be a better description).
The goals can be reduced in size to eight by four feet and to make up for the smaller size they can be magnetised in order to ‘catch’ the ball when it is thrown goal-ward (throwing makes more sense as everyone is on roller-skates).
I haven’t quite ironed out all the rules yet but I think this could come to pass in a not too distant, dystopian future, definitely by the year 2018 I would think.
I think I might just cancel my Sky Sports subscription, cease going to any live sport, and just focus on playing golf - badly.
I can see my previous thoughts might have been a bit radical so why not keep the rules the same but change the league structure further still. Instead of five divisions of twenty – ten divisions of ten.
The top three teams win promotion and the next four go in to a playoff for a single additional promotion spot. The bottom three are relegated and the 7th, 6th, 5th and 4th place teams enter a playoff for a further relegation spot. Meaning that all teams are involved right up to the end.
With all the mid-table involved in simultaneous promotion and relegation playoffs there is the possibility that a team can be promoted and relegated at the same time meaning that their B-Team can enter the league below whilst the A-Team play in the league above.
If any team is running away with their league and so have nothing to play for they are entered in to a mini super league with clubs invited from MLS USA, the J-League and an international all-star eleven made up of retired Galacticos, managed by Eric Cantona.
The overall winners of the league are given the title ‘Barcelona’ should there be two teams that tie at the top of the league they are declared Barcelona of the North or Barcelona of the South depending on where they are geographically. If two teams from the same city tie, one is called Barcelona and the other Real Madrid. This title is handed back at the end of the following season.
Should a team win the league three times in a row they are given the title ‘Real Manchesterlona City’ and are allowed to have a little star put above their badge on their kit. This star remains on their kit and should be worn even if this honour happened over a century ago, just like the England football team and Huddersfield.
In future Leicester are not allowed to win the title because no one from fleet street supports them and it messes up Sky TV’s scheduling – apart from when the league are selling TV rights in Thailand where Leicester are declared league champions every year no matter where they place.
Instead of regionalising the lower leagues, all places people do not really like to go to are put into a league of their own – I’m thinking grim industrial mill towns, anywhere on the edge of the country. Eg: too far north, too far west, anywhere with more than two syllables in its name, the Isle of Sheppey (should they ever progress up the leagues), anywhere 'they talk funny' and anyone who wears a football shirt that combines the colours blue with red into an epilepsy inducing mess.
I’ve just run this past my ten-year-old son with ADHD and when I could get him off of his X-Box for thirty seconds he said he thinks it’s a great idea.
Sounds right up Roland's street...
The extra 8 clubs would be existing Conference, and plenty of those are already full-time professional, so no real change there (though there's always a chance Rangers/celtic use the re-org to try & enter the English system).
Revenue implications unclear, but I suspect not dramatic...
I say at the bottom and see how enthusiastic they are then.