How very Charlton. How very predictable. All the while we are the 'family club'. All the while we are polite, mature, sensible supporters, the longer we will be stuck with this lot. The day We say 'fuck it' and spoil the last day of the season, the day we get the game abandoned, the day the club incurs a massive fine and the game has to be replayed or we get points deducted next season, the day we make hard to read headlines around the country making people realise how serious we are and make the FA uncomfortable with questions that need answering......that'll be the day the penny drops.
Still, I'm sure we can all turn out for Burnley, get behind them, and all have a great day, giving them a well deserved round of applause for winning promotion, a bit like we did last season with Bournemouth. We are such nice fans aren't we.
Go ahead then if you're serious and not all keyboard. Get the game abandoned, I can think of a few ways to do it, so I'm sure you can too.
Unfortunately, like a lot of other fans I would imagine, i stopped going to games a long time ago and have repeated my views many times on here that only a total boycott would drive the owners out, which I still believe to be the case. All the while there are still thousands who will buy season tickets, nothing will change. All the while there are those that can still muster the enthusiasm to attend games and conduct their civil, polite and respectful protests, nothing will change.
If I genuinely believed for one moment that fans would be united in saying enough is enough, and were going to carry out a loud, brave, wholly inconvenient, thought provoking and effective protest, I would happily stand alongside them. But it will never happen and deep down we all know it. And that is why, we will remain in League 1 for a long time, if not League 2.
And still there will be those Charlton fans who renew their season ticket regardless. Who will attend games in a silent stadium with only fond memories to keep them warm.
I'm not condoning violent protests, but there does come a time when people realise that the owners couldn't give a shit about the protests before and afte the game. They couldn't give a shit about the football being played, they couldnt give a shit about the fans, about our league position, about the history of the club, about the future of the club. They will carry on regardless and when they are not put under serious pressure to change, they wont.
The only difference is that some have already realised that and others haven't.
Burnley are promoted regardless of the score or outcome of the game on saturday. So whilst I have nothing against the team or their fans, I couldn't care less if they finish top or second. Getting the game abandonded would inflict huge embarrasment on the club. It would do more for the 'RD/KM Out' campaign than any ball throwing will.
So I will stick to my theory for now that a total boycott is the only way forward in the absence of any effective protests.
So get the game abandoned then. Do something. Like I say, you could get the game abandoned without having to be in the stadium. Criticising those that "do" something, whilst doing nothing yourself. Priceless.
Well think about this way. If everyone copied me and did 'nothing'. Do you think the owners may look around an empty stadium and think....this isn't working? I do. Whilst they look around and continue to see the deluded few dressed up in black and white scarves lobbing beach balls on to the pitch - I dont think they'll be worried.
I don't disagree, but I also think relegation & having 3400 S/T renewals, tell them it's not working.
Also, if we had 13,000 fans invading the director's box, instead of staying at home, that will also tell them that this is not working.
Your way is as vaild as our way. We both have valid points.
The difference is we don't keep banging on about the boycotters, telling them they are wrong and telling them to return.
While agree with you Braydex that the boycott is what would force Roland out, you are being unfair on the CARD protests that have been hugely important too as they have gained the media & wider football support whilst also keeping fan morale up, without them then any boycott would be a lot less effective in my opinion.
They just have to be backed up by a boycott now, which currently a majority of fans seem to be taking that serious stand.
I choose to focus on saying well done to them rather then worry about the three thousand who have decided to already hand over their money to Roland that helps prolong his stay at our great club.
This is nothing to do with 'groups', as Lewis Coaches said it's Charlton fans mobilising trying to do what they can.
All this bollocks about competition and recognition is pathetic. There will always be one or two in any 'group' of people, we need to think about the common cause.
I do agree with The_President's sentiments about some fans deserve RD - on the back of a week of people worrying about 'poor Burnley' (they are up now ffs), fans taking pictures with and getting autographs from Meire, and the fact that thousands have signed up for season tickets. I'd like to say it's beyond belief, but it's not. Some of us are a strange breed.
To me, as Mametz puts better than I can, "Having Roland and his family (don't forget his son has a penchant for owning clubs ) run us for generations would be the worse thing that could backfire on us". All Charlton fans should be furious, and the last game of a season is where anger should be chanelled - anything backfiring should be seen as part of a bigger picture. And if people are going to do things, CARD's statement has given them the chance, and in doing so have distanced themselves from anything illegal etc which might occur, which is completely right.
The club is royally screwed at the moment. Of course whatever happens at the game won't change Roland's mind in any way. But we shouldn't let our last game in the second tier go out like a damp squib. The spirit of CAFC deserves so much better.
How very Charlton. How very predictable. All the while we are the 'family club'. All the while we are polite, mature, sensible supporters, the longer we will be stuck with this lot. The day We say 'fuck it' and spoil the last day of the season, the day we get the game abandoned, the day the club incurs a massive fine and the game has to be replayed or we get points deducted next season, the day we make hard to read headlines around the country making people realise how serious we are and make the FA uncomfortable with questions that need answering......that'll be the day the penny drops.
Still, I'm sure we can all turn out for Burnley, get behind them, and all have a great day, giving them a well deserved round of applause for winning promotion, a bit like we did last season with Bournemouth. We are such nice fans aren't we.
Go ahead then if you're serious and not all keyboard. Get the game abandoned, I can think of a few ways to do it, so I'm sure you can too.
Unfortunately, like a lot of other fans I would imagine, i stopped going to games a long time ago and have repeated my views many times on here that only a total boycott would drive the owners out, which I still believe to be the case. All the while there are still thousands who will buy season tickets, nothing will change. All the while there are those that can still muster the enthusiasm to attend games and conduct their civil, polite and respectful protests, nothing will change.
If I genuinely believed for one moment that fans would be united in saying enough is enough, and were going to carry out a loud, brave, wholly inconvenient, thought provoking and effective protest, I would happily stand alongside them. But it will never happen and deep down we all know it. And that is why, we will remain in League 1 for a long time, if not League 2.
And still there will be those Charlton fans who renew their season ticket regardless. Who will attend games in a silent stadium with only fond memories to keep them warm.
I'm not condoning violent protests, but there does come a time when people realise that the owners couldn't give a shit about the protests before and afte the game. They couldn't give a shit about the football being played, they couldnt give a shit about the fans, about our league position, about the history of the club, about the future of the club. They will carry on regardless and when they are not put under serious pressure to change, they wont.
The only difference is that some have already realised that and others haven't.
Burnley are promoted regardless of the score or outcome of the game on saturday. So whilst I have nothing against the team or their fans, I couldn't care less if they finish top or second. Getting the game abandonded would inflict huge embarrasment on the club. It would do more for the 'RD/KM Out' campaign than any ball throwing will.
So I will stick to my theory for now that a total boycott is the only way forward in the absence of any effective protests.
So get the game abandoned then. Do something. Like I say, you could get the game abandoned without having to be in the stadium. Criticising those that "do" something, whilst doing nothing yourself. Priceless.
Well think about this way. If everyone copied me and did 'nothing'. Do you think the owners may look around an empty stadium and think....this isn't working? I do. Whilst they look around and continue to see the deluded few dressed up in black and white scarves lobbing beach balls on to the pitch - I dont think they'll be worried.
And do you think they look around at a third full stadium and more and more protesters each game and think, "Well, I don't know about you Richard but this all seems to be going swimmingly!".
How very Charlton. How very predictable. All the while we are the 'family club'. All the while we are polite, mature, sensible supporters, the longer we will be stuck with this lot. The day We say 'fuck it' and spoil the last day of the season, the day we get the game abandoned, the day the club incurs a massive fine and the game has to be replayed or we get points deducted next season, the day we make hard to read headlines around the country making people realise how serious we are and make the FA uncomfortable with questions that need answering......that'll be the day the penny drops.
Still, I'm sure we can all turn out for Burnley, get behind them, and all have a great day, giving them a well deserved round of applause for winning promotion, a bit like we did last season with Bournemouth. We are such nice fans aren't we.
The vast majority of us are, perhaps it was you who chose the wrong club to support braydex?
What it all boils down to is do you think abandon or postpone will be more effective getting them to leave.
Card can't call for abandonment and i agree and respect that. I even said to them let others do the stuff you can't keep the moral high ground!
But most will agree it won't stop others (not me) to try and get the game abandoned.
I think these paragraphs are quite revealing about your mindset. A campaign isn't about whether one thing is going to get him out, and if it doesn't work try something else. It's about building pressure, momentum, etc, over a period of time. This is a long game.
The key concern is whether actions taken set the campaign back, which is why CARD is so reticent regarding an abandonment. The last day of the season when there's still stuff to play for - and we're in the middle of that - is not the time to go abandoning games, because it will lose the campaign the external goodwill it's taken months to develop.
And frankly speaking, what CARD is doing has been the product of a group of highly intelligent and incredibly well connected folk, many carrying the scars of previous battles.
That's not to say that no one shouldn't pick up the things CARD couldn't touch, but at the forefront of the planning should be the consideration of whether the action will further the campaign or whether it risks damaging it.
For me, delaying the game is one thing. Getting it abandoned will cause us all immense damage. Choose another game.
Rick,
Is there any info you have that supports the abandonment would be damaging to the cause? I'm not being a smart arse or whatever but people keep saying this without any evidence.
It didn't backfire on Blackpool? also look at them now the media dont care! i fear this will happen to charlton's protests next season. And i know the regime is banking on that.
That's the very point I'm making - it's hard enough in League One to get anyone to listen. Blackpool have kept some profile, but their game against Huddersfield had nothing on it. That's a big difference.
It's not about evidence, which is usually the domain of things past rather than what might happen. It's more about the advice of people experienced in running campaigns and maintaining goodwill from media contacts and their editors. It's also about common sense.
Also, IF (and I know its a big IF) we have an ok season next year, and say , do the same as Millwall this season , then the protests will die away - have a look at what happened at STVV .
I guess they would Pres, and if we see a positive improvement on the pitch and in attitude from the boardroom then that would be understandable. After all we are protesting against the lack of judgement, expertise and ambition shown by those in charge. If they get their shit together, which would entail sacking KM of course, then what would be the point in protesting? I would rather someone else was in charge though. It isn't going to happen as you say, big IF...
What it all boils down to is do you think abandon or postpone will be more effective getting them to leave.
Card can't call for abandonment and i agree and respect that. I even said to them let others do the stuff you can't keep the moral high ground!
But most will agree it won't stop others (not me) to try and get the game abandoned.
I think these paragraphs are quite revealing about your mindset. A campaign isn't about whether one thing is going to get him out, and if it doesn't work try something else. It's about building pressure, momentum, etc, over a period of time. This is a long game.
The key concern is whether actions taken set the campaign back, which is why CARD is so reticent regarding an abandonment. The last day of the season when there's still stuff to play for - and we're in the middle of that - is not the time to go abandoning games, because it will lose the campaign the external goodwill it's taken months to develop.
And frankly speaking, what CARD is doing has been the product of a group of highly intelligent and incredibly well connected folk, many carrying the scars of previous battles.
That's not to say that no one shouldn't pick up the things CARD couldn't touch, but at the forefront of the planning should be the consideration of whether the action will further the campaign or whether it risks damaging it.
For me, delaying the game is one thing. Getting it abandoned will cause us all immense damage. Choose another game.
Rick,
Is there any info you have that supports the abandonment would be damaging to the cause? I'm not being a smart arse or whatever but people keep saying this without any evidence.
It didn't backfire on Blackpool? also look at them now the media dont care! i fear this will happen to charlton's protests next season. And i know the regime is banking on that.
It's called common sense. It will affect who wins the title & Burnley fans are quite likely to kick off as well, which could lead to who knows what.
What if it was abandoned before it was started?
Let's say for the sake of argument the whole team fell ill and we couldn't field a team? They would abandon the game right.
Everyone is presuming abandonment means violence/ pitch invasion.
You do realise C4FC4L1F3 is just sitting there pissing himself laughing. He's getting more nibbles than an Ethiopian cookie factory
Bit weird to sit on a message board all day trying to get nibbles out of your own fans at a time when people are understandably pretty angry. Each to their own.
You do realise C4FC4L1F3 is just sitting there pissing himself laughing. He's getting more nibbles than an Ethiopian cookie factory
Bit weird to sit on a message board all day trying to get nibbles out of your own fans at a time when people are understandably pretty angry. Each to their own.
You do realise C4FC4L1F3 is just sitting there pissing himself laughing. He's getting more nibbles than an Ethiopian cookie factory
Bit weird to sit on a message board all day trying to get nibbles out of your own fans at a time when people are understandably pretty angry. Each to their own.
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Also, if we had 13,000 fans invading the director's box, instead of staying at home, that will also tell them that this is not working.
Your way is as vaild as our way. We both have valid points.
The difference is we don't keep banging on about the boycotters, telling them they are wrong and telling them to return.
They just have to be backed up by a boycott now, which currently a majority of fans seem to be taking that serious stand.
I choose to focus on saying well done to them rather then worry about the three thousand who have decided to already hand over their money to Roland that helps prolong his stay at our great club.
Just a thought...
It's not about evidence, which is usually the domain of things past rather than what might happen. It's more about the advice of people experienced in running campaigns and maintaining goodwill from media contacts and their editors. It's also about common sense.
This was how I started a post a few days ago and I can't remember what I was going to write. Anyone care to suggest the end to the post?
Fuck sake....