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  • To_Be_Franck
    To_Be_Franck Posts: 1,095
    Still on track for my golden boot bet "he scores when he wants, he scores when he waaaants"
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,970
    Just think what he could have been if he hadn't gone for sloppy seconds......
  • harveys_gardener
    harveys_gardener Posts: 7,038
    Shame Bauer didn't get a run out vs Shrews. Konsa may struggle against Evans. Would be a shame to have a hiccup on his development in his learning phase.
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    harveys gardener said:

    Shame Bauer didn't get a run out vs Shrews. Konsa may struggle against Evans. Would be a shame to have a hiccup on his development in his learning phase.

    I'm in two minds with Konsa, do you play him until he has a bad game then give him a rest, or do you rest him now and let him go out on a high? A lot of it will probably depend on Bauer's fitness and comfort. He hasn't played a league game since December, so easing him back in will be key as well.

    Wouldn't mind seeing Bauer and Konsa against Walsall. From the sounds of things, Pearce has looked solid if unspectacular. That was always my feeling of him when I saw him at Leeds, looked alright, but a bit slow and not great on the ball. A good player to have in the team, but with him and Bauer we have no pace. Konsa seems to have a bit of pace about him (though nothing like Gomez) which could be key.
  • Chris_from_Sidcup
    Chris_from_Sidcup Posts: 35,994
    cafcnick1992 said:

    Top striker at this level. Jessica Ennis whinging has cost United a good striker

    That's bollocks. Every club would've done the same and got rid.
  • cafcnick1992
    cafcnick1992 Posts: 7,413
    edited August 2016
    Yeah I know, it was partly said in jest. she was more than happy to let woman-beater Marlon King run about though.
  • C_Jensens_Love_Child
    C_Jensens_Love_Child Posts: 1,598
    SDAddick said:

    harveys gardener said:

    Shame Bauer didn't get a run out vs Shrews. Konsa may struggle against Evans. Would be a shame to have a hiccup on his development in his learning phase.

    I'm in two minds with Konsa, do you play him until he has a bad game then give him a rest, or do you rest him now and let him go out on a high? A lot of it will probably depend on Bauer's fitness and comfort. He hasn't played a league game since December, so easing him back in will be key as well.

    Wouldn't mind seeing Bauer and Konsa against Walsall. From the sounds of things, Pearce has looked solid if unspectacular. That was always my feeling of him when I saw him at Leeds, looked alright, but a bit slow and not great on the ball. A good player to have in the team, but with him and Bauer we have no pace. Konsa seems to have a bit of pace about him (though nothing like Gomez) which could be key.
    I kind of get your first points about Konsa and was thinking the same but then you say you'd like to see Peace dropped? Totally irrational, Peace has been better than Konsa and is exactly what we need at this level. Bauer showed last year that he struggled more physically than with anything else so it's vital unless Tex isn't sold that Peace plays along side him.
  • SDAddick
    SDAddick Posts: 14,467
    cafcnick1992 said:

    Yeah I know, it was partly said in jest. she was more than happy to let woman-beater Marlon King run about though.

    You don't know that. Why is it her job, and seemingly her job alone at Sheffield United to ensure that the club don't employ people convicted of violence against women? Shouldn't that be...well the job of various people at the club?
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,970
    Arsenetatters said:

    Just think what he could have been if he hadn't gone for sloppy seconds......

    Why the flag?
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  • Gillis
    Gillis Posts: 998
    SDAddick said:

    harveys gardener said:

    Shame Bauer didn't get a run out vs Shrews. Konsa may struggle against Evans. Would be a shame to have a hiccup on his development in his learning phase.

    I'm in two minds with Konsa, do you play him until he has a bad game then give him a rest, or do you rest him now and let him go out on a high? A lot of it will probably depend on Bauer's fitness and comfort. He hasn't played a league game since December, so easing him back in will be key as well.

    Wouldn't mind seeing Bauer and Konsa against Walsall. From the sounds of things, Pearce has looked solid if unspectacular. That was always my feeling of him when I saw him at Leeds, looked alright, but a bit slow and not great on the ball. A good player to have in the team, but with him and Bauer we have no pace. Konsa seems to have a bit of pace about him (though nothing like Gomez) which could be key.
    I'd be inclined to rest Konsa. He's young and new to league football. Having already played full matches Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday, I think there's a risk of over playing him.
  • cafcdave123
    cafcdave123 Posts: 11,491
    Gillis said:

    SDAddick said:

    harveys gardener said:

    Shame Bauer didn't get a run out vs Shrews. Konsa may struggle against Evans. Would be a shame to have a hiccup on his development in his learning phase.

    I'm in two minds with Konsa, do you play him until he has a bad game then give him a rest, or do you rest him now and let him go out on a high? A lot of it will probably depend on Bauer's fitness and comfort. He hasn't played a league game since December, so easing him back in will be key as well.

    Wouldn't mind seeing Bauer and Konsa against Walsall. From the sounds of things, Pearce has looked solid if unspectacular. That was always my feeling of him when I saw him at Leeds, looked alright, but a bit slow and not great on the ball. A good player to have in the team, but with him and Bauer we have no pace. Konsa seems to have a bit of pace about him (though nothing like Gomez) which could be key.
    I'd be inclined to rest Konsa. He's young and new to league football. Having already played full matches Tuesday, Saturday, Tuesday, I think there's a risk of over playing him.
    if he will be dropped once ze german is fully fit, id keep playing him until Bauer is ready.

    the more he has played the better he will cope when called upon.

    if tex does stay id even let Konsa go out on loan for a few months before suspensions start kicking in to keep him in the shop window for when we sell him in January playing and learning so he'll be ready for us.
  • JiMMy 85
    JiMMy 85 Posts: 10,189
    edited August 2016
    Arsenetatters said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Just think what he could have been if he hadn't gone for sloppy seconds......

    Why the flag?
    All the way through this story I've felt a particular degree of sadness for the girl at the centre of it. Never felt moved to use a flag before to be honest, but I stand by that one. I think the comment is in really bad taste.
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    Arsenetatters said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Just think what he could have been if he hadn't gone for sloppy seconds......

    Why the flag?
    Presumably:

    1) Sloppy seconds is a bit degrading and treats the victim in question as if she were a sexual object

    2) Oh so similar to "Just think what Brock Turner could have been if he didn't rape someone!" ... Would you like to give the victim some thought, or do they not matter?

    3) Who gives a shit what he could have been, he at best made a massive error in judgement that's cost him his career and legal fees etc; or at worst raped somebody.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,982
    Covered End said:

    Just stuck £5 on Ched Evans to be L1 top goalscorer. 33/1 Bet365.

    Come on Ched.
  • Exiled_Addick
    Exiled_Addick Posts: 17,168
    Interesting isn't it, no so long ago some people on here would've happily seen him strung up, now some wish we'd signed him.

    Funny 'ol game.
  • PaddyP17
    PaddyP17 Posts: 13,035
    Exiled_Addick said:

    Interesting isn't it, no so long ago some people on here would've happily seen him strung up, now some wish we'd signed him.

    Funny 'ol game.

    By and large, probably not the same people though.
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,970
    JiMMy 85 said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Just think what he could have been if he hadn't gone for sloppy seconds......

    Why the flag?
    All the way through this story I've felt a particular degree of sadness for the girl at the centre of it. Never felt moved to use a flag before to be honest, but I stand by that one. I think the comment is in really bad taste.
    Ok I see your point now I re read my post. I was meaning it from Ched's point of view - ie what could have been if he hadn't just wanted to have sex with the girl after his mate. I'm fairly sure he didn't see it as rape, although he was convicted. What a waste.

    I do have some sympathy for the victim.
  • Arsenetatters
    Arsenetatters Posts: 5,970
    PaddyP17 said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Arsenetatters said:

    Just think what he could have been if he hadn't gone for sloppy seconds......

    Why the flag?
    Presumably:

    1) Sloppy seconds is a bit degrading and treats the victim in question as if she were a sexual object

    2) Oh so similar to "Just think what Brock Turner could have been if he didn't rape someone!" ... Would you like to give the victim some thought, or do they not matter?

    3) Who gives a shit what he could have been, he at best made a massive error in judgement that's cost him his career and legal fees etc; or at worst raped somebody.
    Sloppy seconds IS degrading IMO. But Evans thought it was ok.....

    I think Evans is a rapist and shouldn't play again.
  • Rizzo
    Rizzo Posts: 6,430
    Retrial starts today at Cardiff crown court.
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  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    This is gonna (probably) run & run...

    "A man who had sex with a woman two weeks after she accused footballer Ched Evans of rape has come forward because he thinks she is lying, a court heard."
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,982
    Callumcafc said:

    This is gonna (probably) run & run...

    "A man who had sex with a woman two weeks after she accused footballer Ched Evans of rape has come forward because he thinks she is lying, a court heard."

    I have to admit I can't remember the detail, but I thought she said she couldn't remember what happened, so I'm unclear how she could be lying, if she said she couldn't remember.
  • SuedeAdidas
    SuedeAdidas Posts: 7,733
    Covered End said:

    Callumcafc said:

    This is gonna (probably) run & run...

    "A man who had sex with a woman two weeks after she accused footballer Ched Evans of rape has come forward because he thinks she is lying, a court heard."

    I have to admit I can't remember the detail, but I thought she said she couldn't remember what happened, so I'm unclear how she could be lying, if she said she couldn't remember.
    Erm.....what about if she could really remember?!?
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,982
    SuedeAdidas said:

    Covered End said:

    Callumcafc said:

    This is gonna (probably) run & run...

    "A man who had sex with a woman two weeks after she accused footballer Ched Evans of rape has come forward because he thinks she is lying, a court heard."

    I have to admit I can't remember the detail, but I thought she said she couldn't remember what happened, so I'm unclear how she could be lying, if she said she couldn't remember.
    Erm.....what about if she could really remember?!?
    Good point well made.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    edited October 2016
    I thought the whole conviction was based on the fact that the woman was in a state too drunk to consent. Unless I'm mistaken, this was mainly evidenced by her inability to remember.

    The man testifying says he had multiple "encounters" with the same woman who never seemed overly drunk but, on every given morning after, claimed to remember nothing.
  • Covered End
    Covered End Posts: 51,982
    Callumcafc said:

    I thought the whole conviction was based on the fact that the woman was in a state too drunk to consent. Unless I'm mistaken, this was mainly evidenced by her inability to remember.

    The man testifying says he had multiple "encounters" with the same woman who never seemed overly drunk but, on every given morning after, claimed to remember nothing.

    Surely, that makes her evidence more plausible, as it shows that she never remembers and wasn't lying ?
  • moutuakilla
    moutuakilla Posts: 7,567
    So could this man just be saying he has had sex with someone on numerous occasions with someone who was too drunk to consent, even if she didn't seem it?
  • Leuth
    Leuth Posts: 23,312
    This is fucking horrendous, all of it.
  • Callumcafc
    Callumcafc Posts: 63,757
    edited October 2016
    Covered End said:

    Callumcafc said:

    I thought the whole conviction was based on the fact that the woman was in a state too drunk to consent. Unless I'm mistaken, this was mainly evidenced by her inability to remember.

    The man testifying says he had multiple "encounters" with the same woman who never seemed overly drunk but, on every given morning after, claimed to remember nothing.

    Surely, that makes her evidence more plausible, as it shows that she never remembers and wasn't lying ?
    It can work the other way too. If the question is whether Evans engaged in a sexual act while aware that the woman was too drunk to consent, that would be rape.

    If the woman doesn't appear to be overly drunk and therefore is able to consent, when does it become an act of rape?


    (Really trying not to sound like I'm defending a rapist here. Could never do that. All I'm interested in is the truth and justice, whichever way that happens to be.)
  • Gravesend_Addick
    Gravesend_Addick Posts: 7,299
    He's a scumbag and she's bit of a slut when she's had a few drinks.

    Sounds like a case for Jeremy Kyle!

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