Anything thrown can be a missile but that does not make everything thrown a missile. The throwing must be with an intent to hit a "target" or risk of hitting an unintended "target" for it to be a missile.
As already said, if throwing anything was an offence, you couldn't return the ball from the crowd without breaking the law.
As has already been said, the statement mixes up words to give the impression that the ball throwing is regarded by the police as a criminal act.
I suggest everyone writes to the police and asks them to clarify the joint statement. Demand an answer whether they regard a beach ball not thrown at any individual and clearly incapable of causing injury to be an offence of throwing missiles under the Football (Offences) Act 1991. If so, will a statement be made by the MPS warning fans not to take missiles in the shape of balloons to the Wembley cup final.
The answer will either make the police and/or the club look stupid and give good copy for the media.
I was about to take a rest from posting for a while. In all honesty all I seem to be doing is drawing endless attention to the same stuff week in week out but this regime simply cannot help themselves.
If you are the CEO or COO of a business, if you are responsible for running the business and you have something you want to communicate to those who frequent your business, if it is matter of some importance and concerns issues involving the boundaries around the ability to protest, if you as a club have something to say - just say it. If you are the CEO or COO put your name to it.
On what possible basis would you need to a) hold a special meeting with Metropolitan Police b) need to broadcast such meeting had been held?
Why do you need to hide behind the Metropolitan Police by getting them to add a few words of legalise and adding to their authority to the statement? Can these people not take personal responsibility for anything?
Do you really not think the MPS have better things to do? There is absolutely nothing new here at all.
The laws, rules and regulations governing such activities within and without the confines of a football ground are very well documented. Indeed they are so well known action has been taken against a few individuals.
If people break the law they know they run the risk of prosecution but ....
Do you think the police are really going to prosecute people for throwing a beach ball on the pitch?
Do you think local magistrates are going to waste their time and the taxpayers money on such trivia?
The spurious attempt to link the protest campaign to one or two isolated incidents shows the weakness of their argument.
It carries all the hallmarks of an arse covering exercise for the Football Association .
If people contravene the ground rules and regulations they know they face being evicted from the ground and future banning orders.
If the club wishes to take such action against supporters then it has every right to do so. If that is what they intend to do just do it and be prepared for the consequences.
How feeble do you have to be to need the heavy handed words of the local constabulary to send your message.
Does the weakness of the characters within this ailing regime know no bounds.
Another bumbling, non attributable, self important statement which says absolutely nothing new.
What a tragedy our club is in the hands of such spineless specimens.
I've been trying to put my thoughts into words, but once again @Grapevine49 you put it so much better than I ever could. Clever, creative work by CARD seems to be the catalyst for these Daft Tuesday Statements, hopefully RD gives up before they do
Surely a FOI would tell us if the MPS had a meeting with the club at NSY.
I'm thinking about it. Wording is all important with FOI, especially with plod. If you check my FOIs on WDTK, for example around Millwall game policing, one time they played ball, one time they didn't. If anybody wants to give this wording some thought, I'll be happy to write the FOI taking everyone's suggestions into account.
Where "NLA of New Scotland Yard" when you need him.
I'd go for a request asking for:
1. All records held relating to any meetings between the Met Police and representatives of Charlton Athletic Football Club in March 2016 (or during the 2015-2016 season).
2. Details of all football clubs with whom the Met Police have issued joint statements regarding fan behaviour in each of the last ten football seasons (to date), including copies of the statement sissued.
Good stuff. I think I might go with that, unless anyone has any further thoughts.
'There was also a pitch invasion by a small number of fans after Charlton's first goal, while others left the ground in the 74th minute to mark the number of goals the team had conceded this season.
There was then a demonstration outside the stadium after the match.'
Firstly, a small number of fans is vague - I would expect this to be used in perhaps half a dozen to twenty fans - not two. And mentioning a peaceful (in it's legal right) protest in the same article to try stack it up against the fans? Pathetic.
We need to find whom from the MPS enabled this 'joint' statement to go through, I wouldn't be surprised if no-one had, just a half arsed talk between both parties then Katrien decided to take the legal upper hand and threaten us again whilst getting a bit of BBC showtime.
They have got off so lightly so far. It's mainly because we are a relatively well behaved group of fans.
Fucking running off crying to the police. We have been positively lawful thus far. What sort of club does this? The game we finally have relegation confirmed it will kick off. Last time we were all in the mess together this time it is criminally self inflicted and their actions will finally cause a very unpleasant consequence
Surely a FOI would tell us if the MPS had a meeting with the club at NSY.
I'm thinking about it. Wording is all important with FOI, especially with plod. If you check my FOIs on WDTK, for example around Millwall game policing, one time they played ball, one time they didn't. If anybody wants to give this wording some thought, I'll be happy to write the FOI taking everyone's suggestions into account.
Where "NLA of New Scotland Yard" when you need him.
I'd go for a request asking for:
1. All records held relating to any meetings between the Met Police and representatives of Charlton Athletic Football Club in March 2016 (or during the 2015-2016 season).
2. Details of all football clubs with whom the Met Police have issued joint statements regarding fan behaviour in each of the last ten football seasons (to date), including copies of the statement sissued.
Good stuff. I think I might go with that, unless anyone has any further thoughts.
I think they'll struggle to misintepret those two so I'd go with them.
It makes a link, where there isn't one, between incidents at some place over in Surrey several months ago and all the recent organised protests at The Valley.
I may be wrong, but I can't remember any stories like this on the BBC site about fans of other clubs being warned for behaviour and Charlton aren't exactly renowned for their brushes with the law.
The Club have attempted to tar the vast majority of fans of OUR Club by including a totally unrelated incident.
It tries to make the intelligent, well thought out and played out protests against ineptitude, which have been well supported in the media, fight for media space alongside a darker incident which shouldn't have happened.
Nasty, underhand and pretty much to be expected from the shambles running Charlton.
@PragueAddick perhaps an FOI question should include how many Football Clubs have NSY issued joint statements with "warning fans" about their behaviour.
BBC haven't given us any good press throughout this whole ordeal. I think someone there has it in for us.
That is not true.
BBC London sport, led by Phil Parry, have given us outstanding and at times outspoken support. If you are in Leeds you may not be aware of that. What other negative BBC output has there been?
It makes a link, where there isn't one, between incidents at some place over in Surrey several months ago and all the recent organised protests at The Valley.
I may be wrong, but I can't remember any stories like this on the BBC site about fans of other clubs being warned for behaviour and Charlton aren't exactly renowned for their brushes with the law.
The Club have attempted to tar the vast majority of fans of OUR Club by including a totally unrelated incident.
It tries to make the intelligent, well thought out and played out protests against ineptitude, which have been well supported in the media, fight for media space alongside a darker incident which shouldn't have happened.
Nasty, underhand and pretty much to be expected from the shambles running Charlton.
@PragueAddick perhaps an FOI question should include how many Football Clubs have NSY issued joint statements with "warning fans" about their behaviour.
BBC haven't given us any good press throughout this whole ordeal. I think someone there has it in for us.
That is not true.
BBC London sport, led by Phil Parry, have given us outstanding and at times outspoken support. If you are in Leeds you may not be aware of that. What other negative BBC output has there been?
Apologies if I've missed it. I didn't mean that they'd given us negative press. Just from my experience I haven't seen much from them compared to other outlets. If others feel they've experienced the opposite then I retract my statement.
It is clear, they are in complete disarray - we are winning and surely the whole thing could be brought down with one bold act. Mr Murray, over to you.
Surely a FOI would tell us if the MPS had a meeting with the club at NSY.
I'm thinking about it. Wording is all important with FOI, especially with plod. If you check my FOIs on WDTK, for example around Millwall game policing, one time they played ball, one time they didn't. If anybody wants to give this wording some thought, I'll be happy to write the FOI taking everyone's suggestions into account.
Where "NLA of New Scotland Yard" when you need him.
I'd go for a request asking for:
1. All records held relating to any meetings between the Met Police and representatives of Charlton Athletic Football Club in March 2016 (or during the 2015-2016 season).
2. Details of all football clubs with whom the Met Police have issued joint statements regarding fan behaviour in each of the last ten football seasons (to date), including copies of the statement sissued.
Good stuff. I think I might go with that, unless anyone has any further thoughts.
How many arrests of home fans have there been at The Valley since August 2015? Interesting to see how that fits with the deliberately vague claim made in the statement.
Although the Home Office will release those figures in the summer.
Nothing on the Met Police's website under their news banner 're this statement. Maybe it's not that newsworthy as far their press bureau are concerned.
Maybe a tweet or two to the local met twitter account may be in order, to see if they know anything about it. Greenwichmps.
It makes a link, where there isn't one, between incidents at some place over in Surrey several months ago and all the recent organised protests at The Valley.
I may be wrong, but I can't remember any stories like this on the BBC site about fans of other clubs being warned for behaviour and Charlton aren't exactly renowned for their brushes with the law.
The Club have attempted to tar the vast majority of fans of OUR Club by including a totally unrelated incident.
It tries to make the intelligent, well thought out and played out protests against ineptitude, which have been well supported in the media, fight for media space alongside a darker incident which shouldn't have happened.
Nasty, underhand and pretty much to be expected from the shambles running Charlton.
@PragueAddick perhaps an FOI question should include how many Football Clubs have NSY issued joint statements with "warning fans" about their behaviour.
BBC haven't given us any good press throughout this whole ordeal. I think someone there has it in for us.
That is not true.
BBC London sport, led by Phil Parry, have given us outstanding and at times outspoken support. If you are in Leeds you may not be aware of that. What other negative BBC output has there been?
Apologies if I've missed it. I didn't mean that they'd given us negative press. Just from my experience I haven't seen much from them compared to other outlets. If others feel they've experienced the opposite then I retract my statement.
People feel positive towards Sky, and to a lesser extent C5, because they both cover us as part of their FL coverage. BBC TV does not have that mandate, and R5L has to cover the FAPL largely. BBC Radio London are our friends. No doubt about it.
It makes a link, where there isn't one, between incidents at some place over in Surrey several months ago and all the recent organised protests at The Valley.
I may be wrong, but I can't remember any stories like this on the BBC site about fans of other clubs being warned for behaviour and Charlton aren't exactly renowned for their brushes with the law.
The Club have attempted to tar the vast majority of fans of OUR Club by including a totally unrelated incident.
It tries to make the intelligent, well thought out and played out protests against ineptitude, which have been well supported in the media, fight for media space alongside a darker incident which shouldn't have happened.
Nasty, underhand and pretty much to be expected from the shambles running Charlton.
@PragueAddick perhaps an FOI question should include how many Football Clubs have NSY issued joint statements with "warning fans" about their behaviour.
BBC haven't given us any good press throughout this whole ordeal. I think someone there has it in for us.
That is not true.
BBC London sport, led by Phil Parry, have given us outstanding and at times outspoken support. If you are in Leeds you may not be aware of that. What other negative BBC output has there been?
Apologies if I've missed it. I didn't mean that they'd given us negative press. Just from my experience I haven't seen much from them compared to other outlets. If others feel they've experienced the opposite then I retract my statement.
People feel positive towards Sky, and to a lesser extent C5, because they both cover us as part of their FL coverage. BBC TV does not have that mandate, and R5L has to cover the FAPL largely. BBC Radio London are our friends. No doubt about it.
Perhaps there is a perception that, as far as 606 is concerned, (and apologies for taking the old western line) "White man speak with forked (Jo) Tongue"...
I work about 100 metres from NSY. I can confirm that I didn't see Daisy or Tony Ballbag entering.
I will admit I was only in sight of the building for about 4 mins.
Although had I have known this was going on I would have been tempted to take the day off and wait for them to arrive! Would love to have five minutes to tell them what I think.
I refer you to the joint statement issued today, 29th March, between the MPS and Charlton Athletic Football Club as published on their official website, a statement which I assume you are aware of.
It deals with recent events at home games where fans are protesting to get rid of the current owner. Part of this statement deals with items being thrown onto the pitch. None of us wants to see items, such as bottles, thrown onto the pitch which could cause damage or injury to anyone. However, are the MPS and CAFC really trying to inform us that this includes beach balls? All these do is cause embarrassment to the Club and in turn the MPS who are being used by CAFC to help discredit the fans who are protesting against the Club. What next? Are balloons to be deemed dangerous? How about confetti?
Can you please confirm as to whether or not beach balls are dangerous objects and that the throwing of such in a football stadium is an arrest-able offence or not. Furthermore can you confirm that this statement was issued with the agreement of the MPS and how many times such statements have been issued in the last ten years in conjunction with other Clubs?
CAFC are trying to stop peaceful protests and discredit the fans that are protesting and to do so have involved the MPS where no involvement is justified.
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'There was also a pitch invasion by a small number of fans after Charlton's first goal, while others left the ground in the 74th minute to mark the number of goals the team had conceded this season.
There was then a demonstration outside the stadium after the match.'
Firstly, a small number of fans is vague - I would expect this to be used in perhaps half a dozen to twenty fans - not two. And mentioning a peaceful (in it's legal right) protest in the same article to try stack it up against the fans? Pathetic.
We need to find whom from the MPS enabled this 'joint' statement to go through, I wouldn't be surprised if no-one had, just a half arsed talk between both parties then Katrien decided to take the legal upper hand and threaten us again whilst getting a bit of BBC showtime.
Fucking running off crying to the police. We have been positively lawful thus far. What sort of club does this? The game we finally have relegation confirmed it will kick off. Last time we were all in the mess together this time it is criminally self inflicted and their actions will finally cause a very unpleasant consequence
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BBC London sport, led by Phil Parry, have given us outstanding and at times outspoken support. If you are in Leeds you may not be aware of that. What other negative BBC output has there been?
Mr Murray, over to you.
Although the Home Office will release those figures in the summer.
Maybe a tweet or two to the local met twitter account may be in order, to see if they know anything about it. Greenwichmps.
I'll get my coat.
I will admit I was only in sight of the building for about 4 mins.
Dear Sirs,
I refer you to the joint statement issued today, 29th March, between the MPS and Charlton Athletic Football Club as published on their official website, a statement which I assume you are aware of.
It deals with recent events at home games where fans are protesting to get rid of the current owner. Part of this statement deals with items being thrown onto the pitch. None of us wants to see items, such as bottles, thrown onto the pitch which could cause damage or injury to anyone. However, are the MPS and CAFC really trying to inform us that this includes beach balls? All these do is cause embarrassment to the Club and in turn the MPS who are being used by CAFC to help discredit the fans who are protesting against the Club. What next? Are balloons to be deemed dangerous? How about confetti?
Can you please confirm as to whether or not beach balls are dangerous objects and that the throwing of such in a football stadium is an arrest-able offence or not. Furthermore can you confirm that this statement was issued with the agreement of the MPS and how many times such statements have been issued in the last ten years in conjunction with other Clubs?
CAFC are trying to stop peaceful protests and discredit the fans that are protesting and to do so have involved the MPS where no involvement is justified.
I look forward to receiving your response,
Kind regards,