I love the protests, think the effort that people are going too is great. But I can never understand clapping a player scoring against us, regardless of his status with our fans. I just don't 'get it'. What happened to 'support the team, not the regime'. Clap him before and after the game... I get that....but cheering an opposition goal is surely counter productive?
If it wasn't for the regime, he would be scoring for us.
I'm right behind the protests and hate the regime, but applauding a player scoring against us at home is treachery. Maybe this sort of thing will divide those of us who should be standing shoulder to shoulder? I would never do it and have never in 50 years booed my own team. Each to his own. If anyone has a problem with that tell me where and when and we can have a friendly chat.
Yann was doing his job yesterday - a job he should have been doing for us. I clapped him as he represents the Charlton we want back. He respects/loves the fans and we love him. Clapping him was entirely appropriate. We are pretty much going down, the fact the regime would have been embaressed was a good thing.
I also clapped Yann's goal because it was a damned good header... I did the same when Mark Viduka scored a stunner for Middlesbrough against us one year.
Sometimes a quality goal regardless who scores it also deserves applause
Too busy moaning at the shocking defending for their goals to be concerned with who scored for Reading. A clap for Yann when his name was read out and then hoped he had an absolute shocker.
Sadly Riga and our defence were handing out more freebies than the Clubs ticket office to local schools.
I clapped Yann's goals. It was to do with the irony of the situation. Don't expect everyone to agree with it. Can't believe so much is being made if this.
I also clapped Yann's goal because it was a damned good header... I did the same when Mark Viduka scored a stunner for Middlesbrough against us one year.
Sometimes a quality goal regardless who scores it also deserves applause
I remember Liverpool tonking us at The Valley 0-4 in 2000? When the 4th went in there was widespread applause from the Charlton fans. Not new but the current situation certainly is.
I love the protests, think the effort that people are going too is great. But I can never understand clapping a player scoring against us, regardless of his status with our fans. I just don't 'get it'. What happened to 'support the team, not the regime'. Clap him before and after the game... I get that....but cheering an opposition goal is surely counter productive?
I didn't clap his goal.
I clapped the way he didn't celebrate
Please tell me how, to anyone that you didn't explain this to before hand, there is any difference?
Did the players (and by that I mean our players) know that you weren't clapping them conceding a goal?
This must be the most surreal exchange ever on Charlton Life. Someone in the future may spend weeks dissecting it as a research project. May I add: when is a goal a goal? Answer: The sound of one hand clapping.
I'm right behind the protests and hate the regime, but applauding a player scoring against us at home is treachery. Maybe this sort of thing will divide those of us who should be standing shoulder to shoulder? I would never do it and have never in 50 years booed my own team. Each to his own. If anyone has a problem with that tell me where and when and we can have a friendly chat.
You seem to be confusing two quite different things. I can claim the same as you about booing my team. Never done it, never will. But I'm a football fan too. I think that if anything I don't take enough time to admire the work of our opponents. I wasn't there yesterday, but at the Bournemouth end of season game, and to my own surprise I blurted out "what a good goal" as their second went in. Maybe I was just perfectly positioned to see the technique, movement, and the deadly execution of the final shot. The fact that YK was involved in that too, is I guess a coincidence, albeit a painful one.
I don't think clapping YK yesterday was treacherous. It didn't in any way harm our team. It made a point to the regime. And the people who did it showed some class as football fans.
I love the protests, think the effort that people are going too is great. But I can never understand clapping a player scoring against us, regardless of his status with our fans. I just don't 'get it'. What happened to 'support the team, not the regime'. Clap him before and after the game... I get that....but cheering an opposition goal is surely counter productive?
I didn't clap his goal.
I clapped the way he didn't celebrate
Please tell me how, to anyone that you didn't explain this to before hand, there is any difference?
Did the players (and by that I mean our players) know that you weren't clapping them conceding a goal?
I love the protests, think the effort that people are going too is great. But I can never understand clapping a player scoring against us, regardless of his status with our fans. I just don't 'get it'. What happened to 'support the team, not the regime'. Clap him before and after the game... I get that....but cheering an opposition goal is surely counter productive?
I didn't clap his goal.
I clapped the way he didn't celebrate
Please tell me how, to anyone that you didn't explain this to before hand, there is any difference?
Did the players (and by that I mean our players) know that you weren't clapping them conceding a goal?
It may have looked like I was applauding his goals too. I was actually applauding his haircut, which you could only see in close up when he got in our penalty area, the unfortunate thing was he scored every time he got in our penalty area which is where the confusion arose.
Said on post match. Fat bloke with a CARD top and a smart bloke with a black and white scarf were standing and applauding Kermongants goal in the East Stand. Some sort of protest I know, but neither applauded the kids at half time.
When will be get to the point when we realise our poor diddums players deserve to get it as much as the rest of the regime? I mean if you cut Rod Fanni does he bleed Charlton, or Jose Riga? I am not saying all the players are complicit in our downfall (although some are IMHO), but if they don't like fans ire then they can take it up with their agents, or Katrien. It isn't as if they are working for bowls of gruel and sleeping on straw. If our protests are stalling then moving on to the team and players might hasten the end game. Indeed we ought not to tread on eggshells with anybody working for the club, I don't mean brutal and offensive, but very strongly assertive. Olly, Mick, BDL, Mel, Ravi Lord effing Valiant or whomsoever is likely to be a great person, but these days part of their job description is to be in the line of fire and take the flak. I imagine Tony Keohane will offer all staff his unconditional support, advice, help and compensation, as will Katrien and Roland so the pain won't be too much. When I hear Roland talk about us being a 'nice' club, I want to get nasty. I am aware this post will go down badly with many but this is now clearly a war that won't end with a treaty, but unconditional surrender of one side or another....unless somebody can tell me where compromise can be found.
I don't think clapping Yann had a negative effect on the players. The chant of 'shit, shit, shit' to the players as they approached the tunnel at half time was much worse.
Apologies if I got this wrong but from where I was sat it seemed to be aimed at the players???
Half the Charlton folk i spoke to yesterday, had a bet on Yann scoring at any time so why wouldn't they clap a fantastic championship player who didn't want to leave Charlton. but the owner thought that Polish Pete on a 5 year contract was a better option.
If we could've got Yann Kermorgant signed on a 2 year contract with the option of another year back in Jan 2014 that would have been the best signing for 14K a week we could have made. (Scott Macdonald,Millwall striker at the time was on 18K)
This whole perception over supporter "etiquette" is once again being grossly overplayed.
I will happily applauded any number of ex players out of respect for their past contribution to the club. It is as simple as that - respect. Equally if you see an exceptional piece of skill be it a brilliant save, pass or goal strike it is a matter of appreciation.
Such a gesture does not diminish or detract from your support of your team in any way - 90% of professionals would understand and appreciate the gesture. In fact it should encourage those players to earn the same respect from the clubs' supporters.
Kermorgant for his contributions to the club deserves our respect. He had made more appearances for our club than anyone one of the 18 players in our match day squad yesterday. In the manner in which he has handled himself since his departure he has grown his own professional profile while registering his concern for the long term future of our club under this regime.
It is a concern with which a very great number of people can identify. In so doing he chose to express his connection and respect for our club.
His departure was contentious. I was long convinced it was significantly more than the money. His recent comments confirm his position but I believe it went further to the point of displaying commendable loyalty to the guy who effectively rescued/launched his career but as a player you can never get to choose the head coach.
He made the right choices for his future. YK is one of the good guys if you cannot respect his past contribution to the club then you disrespect our own history. That I am afraid is your loss.
People have the right to protest just like they have the right not to, some choose to ride out the bad times and support the team because in their heart of hearts they feel it's the right thing to do, some chose to protest and stand up for what they think is right. I don't think either group should be putting the other down. When we were in exhile some refused to step foot in selhurst park as a way of protest and others carried on supporting the team and going, but we still got out of it in the end without turning on each other. We all need to do what we feel is right until the vermin are gone and not turn on each other.
I am for the protests will participate when and where I can and think CARD are doing a wonderful job as are the fundraisers. But I do know of some really long standing supporters that do not want to protest as they just want to support the team and ride it out, these people have been called "sympathisers" or "scabs" that is not on. They have supported Charlton for decades and shouldn't be name called because they choose not to protest. Just like I was disgusted that protest volunteers were sworn at and called names for merely spreading the word and choosing to protest.
katrien would absolutely love it if she new the supporters were being split like this, I wish there was a way to unite all fans where no one is going against what they believe is right.
I'm not sure I've ever seen a Charlton XI that I cared less about until yesterday. I sort of like Henderson I guess? I felt nothing towards our goals and didn't care when we conceded, I just laughed especially at the end.
We've signed 40ish players under Duchatelet, maybe we can get that number up to 65-70 by the end of next season, hopefully we will go through another 3 puppets too.
People have the right to protest just like they have the right not to, some choose to ride out the bad times and support the team because in their heart of hearts they feel it's the right thing to do, some chose to protest and stand up for what they think is right. I don't think either group should be putting the other down. When we were in exhile some refused to step foot in selhurst park as a way of protest and others carried on supporting the team and going, but we still got out of it in the end without turning on each other. We all need to do what we feel is right until the vermin are gone and not turn on each other.
I am for the protests will participate when and where I can and think CARD are doing a wonderful job as are the fundraisers. But I do know of some really long standing supporters that do not want to protest as they just want to support the team and ride it out, these people have been called "sympathisers" or "scabs" that is not on. They have supported Charlton for decades and shouldn't be name called because they choose not to protest. Just like I was disgusted that protest volunteers were sworn at and called names for merely spreading the word and choosing to protest.
katrien would absolutely love it if she new the supporters were being split like this, I wish there was a way to unite all fans where no one is going against what they believe is right.
The two views you outline are in no way mutually exclusive. It is entirely possible to support the team but not get involved in the protests, protest without supporting the team through attending matches and also to do both.
Sitting in the comfort of my home following the match thread I became aware of some pretty acidic comments aimed at the protests and those at the match who applauded Kermo after his goals. Very little response when I asked for their ideas.
They were clearly not at the match but felt it fine to really slag off those that were. Not for going but for how they protested.
I was called out as a bovril drinker which I found highly offensive as a veggie.
Tbh I was surprised at the intensity of the hatred against fellow fans. If they are not all mouth there could be some unpleasant scenes before this season is over.
There are keyboard warriors on both sides and there are people prepared to slag others off on both sides in person - thats life I am afraid.
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For me the two players showed respect to their time @ Charlton by not celebrating so clapping them was my was of respecting them back.
Of course if Darren Ambrose (ex-Charlton example) were to score at the Valley and go wild celebrating I'd be the first to abuse him for it
Sometimes a quality goal regardless who scores it also deserves applause
Sadly Riga and our defence were handing out more freebies than the Clubs ticket office to local schools.
Someone in the future may spend weeks dissecting it as a research project.
May I add: when is a goal a goal?
Answer: The sound of one hand clapping.
I don't think clapping YK yesterday was treacherous. It didn't in any way harm our team. It made a point to the regime. And the people who did it showed some class as football fans.
It may have looked like I was applauding his goals too. I was actually applauding his haircut, which you could only see in close up when he got in our penalty area, the unfortunate thing was he scored every time he got in our penalty area which is where the confusion arose.
Are you the fat bloke?
It isn't as if they are working for bowls of gruel and sleeping on straw. If our protests are stalling then moving on to the team and players might hasten the end game. Indeed we ought not to tread on eggshells with anybody working for the club, I don't mean brutal and offensive, but very strongly assertive. Olly, Mick, BDL, Mel, Ravi Lord effing Valiant or whomsoever is likely to be a great person, but these days part of their job description is to be in the line of fire and take the flak. I imagine Tony Keohane will offer all staff his unconditional support, advice, help and compensation, as will Katrien and Roland so the pain won't be too much.
When I hear Roland talk about us being a 'nice' club, I want to get nasty. I am aware this post will go down badly with many but this is now clearly a war that won't end with a treaty, but unconditional surrender of one side or another....unless somebody can tell me where compromise can be found.
Apologies if I got this wrong but from where I was sat it seemed to be aimed at the players???
"I've got a cold and don't feel like running on the pitch"
"I'm a Christian so can't protest on a Sunday"
"My mum wouldn't like it"
"I'm wearing my new trainers and don't wan't to get grass stains on them"
"I go to games with my dad and he gives me a lift home so if I get arrested I'd be stuck 10 miles from home"
"Boro is on a Sunday and I'll have eaten a big Sunday Lunch so won't be able to run"
but the owner thought that Polish Pete on a 5 year contract was a better option.
If we could've got Yann Kermorgant signed on a 2 year contract with the option of another year back in Jan 2014 that would have been the best signing for 14K a week we could have made. (Scott Macdonald,Millwall striker at the time was on 18K)
I will happily applauded any number of ex players out of respect for their past contribution to the club. It is as simple as that - respect. Equally if you see an exceptional piece of skill be it a brilliant save, pass or goal strike it is a matter of appreciation.
Such a gesture does not diminish or detract from your support of your team in any way - 90% of professionals would understand and appreciate the gesture. In fact it should encourage those players to earn the same respect from the clubs' supporters.
Kermorgant for his contributions to the club deserves our respect. He had made more appearances for our club than anyone one of the 18 players in our match day squad yesterday. In the manner in which he has handled himself since his departure he has grown his own professional profile while registering his concern for the long term future of our club under this regime.
It is a concern with which a very great number of people can identify. In so doing he chose to express his connection and respect for our club.
His departure was contentious. I was long convinced it was significantly more than the money. His recent comments confirm his position but I believe it went further to the point of displaying commendable loyalty to the guy who effectively rescued/launched his career but as a player you can never get to choose the head coach.
He made the right choices for his future. YK is one of the good guys if you cannot respect his past contribution to the club then you disrespect our own history. That I am afraid is your loss.
I am for the protests will participate when and where I can and think CARD are doing a wonderful job as are the fundraisers. But I do know of some really long standing supporters that do not want to protest as they just want to support the team and ride it out, these people have been called "sympathisers" or "scabs" that is not on. They have supported Charlton for decades and shouldn't be name called because they choose not to protest. Just like I was disgusted that protest volunteers were sworn at and called names for merely spreading the word and choosing to protest.
katrien would absolutely love it if she new the supporters were being split like this, I wish there was a way to unite all fans where no one is going against what they believe is right.
We've signed 40ish players under Duchatelet, maybe we can get that number up to 65-70 by the end of next season, hopefully we will go through another 3 puppets too.
I know I did both yesterday.