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Unnecessary Relegations

edited February 2016 in General Charlton
Reading some of the stats that people have posted in some of the other threads about our form got me thinking that this really is (if it happens, as seems highly likely) one of the most unnecessary and avoidable relegations in our history.

The paper thin squad, the ridiculous and embarrassing reign of KF, random and strange short term recruitment policy, the TW debacle, the off-field distractions caused by KM, to name but a few.

Yes, we've been unlucky with injuries, but all in all this team should never have been relegated. I know not all is set in stone, but it will take a really impressive run to get out of this and I can't see where that can come from (although I hope to be wrong of course).

VERY different mistakes were made in our relegation season from the Prem last time around, but you could at least see what RM was thinking at the time and that his heart was in the right place (letting Curbs leave a year early, giving Dowie money, etc).

All in all, very upsetting when you really think about it.


Comments

  • I still say, that if the players really wanted to perform, the squad, even with injuries, are good enough to stay up, but it seems to have gone too far now
  • JJ although lost legs ages ago, seems to me to have lost the spirit also. Does anyone else think this?.....
  • Godstone said:

    The relegation in 1999 was a very noble one. We started with a squad with barely any Premiership experience and battled to the end following the classic (Steve Brown in goal) match at Villa. We spent money on creating the modern Valley and came straight back as champions. I don't consider it a failure at all.

    How to go down fighting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9KQbEF5veY



    In contrast this season (if we go down) and the previous one are/were utter failures and utterly avoidable.

    Oh to have players, with that spirit again.
  • Lennie's boys knew how to do it as well:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqMzAKbtyCo
  • Godstone said:

    The relegation in 1999 was a very noble one. We started with a squad with barely any Premiership experience and battled to the end following the classic (Steve Brown in goal) match at Villa. We spent money on creating the modern Valley and came straight back as champions. I don't consider it a failure at all.

    How to go down fighting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9KQbEF5veY



    In contrast this season (if we go down) and the previous one are/were utter failures and utterly avoidable.

    I totally, totally agree.
  • Sadly, as it seems very unlikely that Pinocchio or Roland the Rat can be dislodged, next season will be another unnecessary relegation to league 2, and the following to the Conference and oblivion.

    I really fear these vile people are going to kill the Club completely. It is deliberate to get the Real Estate.
  • Sadly, as it seems very unlikely that Pinocchio or Roland the Rat can be dislodged, next season will be another unnecessary relegation to league 2, and the following to the Conference and oblivion.

    I really fear these vile people are going to kill the Club completely. It is deliberate to get the Real Estate.

    I don't think it's deliberate. Igor, JBG were impressive signings. The Liege loan plan could have been a great success in theory. You can't run Charlton as a Belgian club which in effect we have been.
  • I really would love to think it is not deliberate, but I cannot think you would act and behave like Pinocchio and the Rat if that was not the case. Everything they say and do is intended to cause offence and alienate the fanbase.

    And appointing Karel, and the crap imported from the network, and crazy awful signings had to be because they want us to go down, and probably down again so they can say in the best case scenario, the crowds are too small for the Valley, and move to a 8,000 seat ground to build on The Valley. Or the business is not sustainable, and close it down altogether and build on The Valley.
  • Godstone said:

    The relegation in 1999 was a very noble one. We started with a squad with barely any Premiership experience and battled to the end following the classic (Steve Brown in goal) match at Villa. We spent money on creating the modern Valley and came straight back as champions. I don't consider it a failure at all.

    How to go down fighting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9KQbEF5veY



    In contrast this season (if we go down) and the previous one are/were utter failures and utterly avoidable.

    That Villa game was awesome. Best remembered for me getting my face on MOTD with pie dropping out of me cake hole. Oh, and @Clem_Snide falling over and doing his knee, if memory doesn't fail me.

    Oh. And Steve Brown. And a rip-roaring performance of such spirit it makes me a little sad to think of it today.
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  • It's no consolation, rik, but I'm sure the Villa fans would be overjoyed to have those "successful" times back again too.
  • Spirit, guts, never-give-up mentality, Steve Brown awesome. Recall sitting near the front of the away end and getting soaked but not giving a shit when Mill's bombed that free kick in. So proud to be a Charlton fan then. Proved what a good side we were as we stormed back next season. No comparison with the rubbish sub-standard players who have worn the shirt this season. We all know where the real blame lies but let's face it Roland doesn't give a rats arse, has no clue about what it means to truly be part of a proper club and never will. Only darker days ahead I'm afraid while he is at the helm.
  • The Pardew/Parky relegation was definitely unnecessary, but was a by product of the terrible transfer dealings of Pardew in the Championship. No way should we have been a bottom 3 team with the money we had spent
  • Was at the villa match and to be fair the villa fans were superb afterwards, wishing us well going into our last match. That was also the day Jimmy glass scored for Carlisle to keep them up. He was their keeper.
  • Hate to say it but fans from all clubs seem to forget one thing.

    Unless the Premier League choose to lower its amount of teams, three sides will always get relegated from the top tier, three from the Championship, four from League One and two from League Two etc.

    Why not us?

    *Us is reference to whichever club moans about relegation rather than Charlton in general
  • I really would love to think it is not deliberate, but I cannot think you would act and behave like Pinocchio and the Rat if that was not the case. Everything they say and do is intended to cause offence and alienate the fanbase.

    And appointing Karel, and the crap imported from the network, and crazy awful signings had to be because they want us to go down, and probably down again so they can say in the best case scenario, the crowds are too small for the Valley, and move to a 8,000 seat ground to build on The Valley. Or the business is not sustainable, and close it down altogether and build on The Valley.

    I don't think you can apply normal judgments of behaviour to Duchatelet (and his minions just do what they're told).

    As I've posted before, we have to realise that Duchatelet is a genuine 24 carat crackpot with some kind of 'messiah' complex, and anyone who doubts it should read his interview by a Belgian journalist in issue 10 of the Trust News where he compares himself with the war time code breaker Alan Turing and believes himself to be a “visionary” who sees things others can't:

    http://issuu.com/castrust/docs/tnt10/15?e=6744795/30366687
  • rikofold said:

    Godstone said:

    The relegation in 1999 was a very noble one. We started with a squad with barely any Premiership experience and battled to the end following the classic (Steve Brown in goal) match at Villa. We spent money on creating the modern Valley and came straight back as champions. I don't consider it a failure at all.

    How to go down fighting:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9KQbEF5veY



    In contrast this season (if we go down) and the previous one are/were utter failures and utterly avoidable.

    That Villa game was awesome. Best remembered for me getting my face on MOTD with pie dropping out of me cake hole. Oh, and @Clem_Snide falling over and doing his knee, if memory doesn't fail me.

    Oh. And Steve Brown. And a rip-roaring performance of such spirit it makes me a little sad to think of it today.
    I didn't fall over. I was pushed!

    The most pissed I have ever been at a football match.
  • Hate to say it but fans from all clubs seem to forget one thing.

    Unless the Premier League choose to lower its amount of teams, three sides will always get relegated from the top tier, three from the Championship, four from League One and two from League Two etc.

    Why not us?

    *Us is reference to whichever club moans about relegation rather than Charlton in general

    There is no shame in going down if you try your best like us in '99 and Blackpool in their one season in the Premiership. It's when you're relegated because of your own stupid decisions that is really frustrating.
  • micks1950 said:

    I really would love to think it is not deliberate, but I cannot think you would act and behave like Pinocchio and the Rat if that was not the case. Everything they say and do is intended to cause offence and alienate the fanbase.

    And appointing Karel, and the crap imported from the network, and crazy awful signings had to be because they want us to go down, and probably down again so they can say in the best case scenario, the crowds are too small for the Valley, and move to a 8,000 seat ground to build on The Valley. Or the business is not sustainable, and close it down altogether and build on The Valley.

    I don't think you can apply normal judgments of behaviour to Duchatelet (and his minions just do what they're told).

    As I've posted before, we have to realise that Duchatelet is a genuine 24 carat crackpot with some kind of 'messiah' complex, and anyone who doubts it should read his interview by a Belgian journalist in issue 10 of the Trust News where he compares himself with the war time code breaker Alan Turing and believes himself to be a “visionary” who sees things others can't:

    http://issuu.com/castrust/docs/tnt10/15?e=6744795/30366687
    Agree with this. If they were deliberately trying to relegate us there's cheaper ways to go about it than spunking £700k on Piotr and £1.6m on Naby Sarr, etc, not to mention wasting significant amounts of cash on swapping old red plastic seats for new ones.

    The sudden flurry of signings recently, whilst not particularly inspiring, implies an interest in getting us out of trouble. Too little, too late unfortunately.

  • I personally don't think our team is that bad.. at least not relegation worthy. It's not strong enough in depth and that's where the issues begin.

    However, if we go down this season then I will personally be blaming the entire regime, and Karel Fraeye deserves a huge dose of that blame. We were leaderless during his reign, and that it was left to go on so long was utterly disgusting - not to mention the underhand tactics that Katrien played with Jacko and Hendo when it came to decision time.

    At the risk of sounding petty, I think it says a lot that this sign - http://twitpic.com/3z38vj - was ripped down and not replaced. I don't care if the advertising contract no longer exists, something like that is perfect and says everything that needs to be said; "when you leave this tunnel you put in 110%".
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